How much to build custom PC?

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I have made some preliminary choices for the components for a new PC that I
want to build, but am not sure that I will be able to spare the time (or
have the ability). There are some PC repair shops around here that say that
they can get the components, and build it for me. What price can I expect?
Generally, it will be an Intel based computer with a Sonata case and an Asus
((P5AD2-E Premium) mb) with 2 gigs of ram and 2 250SATA drives.

TIA
 
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"Paolo Pignatelli" <Paolo@DotNetStore.com> wrote:

> I have made some preliminary choices for the components for a
> new PC that I want to build, but am not sure that I will be able
> to spare the time (or have the ability). There are some PC
> repair shops around here that say that they can get the
> components, and build it for me. What price can I expect?
> Generally, it will be an Intel based computer with a Sonata case
> and an Asus ((P5AD2-E Premium) mb) with 2 gigs of ram and 2
> 250SATA drives.

In my estimation, a homebuilt PC is significantly more expensive
than a prefabricated PC. Besides enjoying the hobby and learning
about computers, the idea behind homebuilding is
tailoring/customization. The price will vary depending on your
specific requirements and your location.
 

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"Paolo Pignatelli" <Paolo@DotNetStore.com> wrote in message
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>I have made some preliminary choices for the components for a new PC that I
> want to build, but am not sure that I will be able to spare the time (or
> have the ability). There are some PC repair shops around here that say
> that
> they can get the components, and build it for me. What price can I
> expect?
> Generally, it will be an Intel based computer with a Sonata case and an
> Asus
> ((P5AD2-E Premium) mb) with 2 gigs of ram and 2 250SATA drives.
>
> TIA
>
>

Someone in work here generally charges £50 for a build, this includes
sourcing all the components. I have seen some online sites that charge £75,
but I think that is a bit steep.

It doesn't usually take too long to put a pc together, the time consuming
part, I find, is installing all the software, but then you can set something
going and come back to it later. It's not that difficult, as long as you
know the basics (plug things in one at a time and make sure they work, make
sure you get the cables in the right way round, etc).

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"Grendel" <me@me.com> wrote:

> It doesn't usually take too long to put a pc together, the time
> consuming part, I find, is installing all the software, but then
> you can set something going and come back to it later. It's not
> that difficult, as long as you know the basics (plug things in
> one at a time and make sure they work, make sure you get the
> cables in the right way round, etc).

I expressed the same thing upon re-arriving here after a long
absence, before much reading. I am surprised the trouble people
get into while trying to put a system together. For a beginner,
maybe better would be to buy a good-quality prebuilt system (maybe
with as few parts as possible) and began swapping parts as your
needs and the technologies change. Or maybe by a high quality
bare-bones system. When the time comes to replace the mainboard or
power supply and case, he will be ready to get into that.

Have fun.
 
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Thanks. I have installed hard drives, both SCSI and ATA, and RAM and
boards, etc... . I have just never changed a CPU or installed the MB in the
case. How much more difficult is it?

TIA


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> "Grendel" <me@me.com> wrote:
>
> > It doesn't usually take too long to put a pc together, the time
> > consuming part, I find, is installing all the software, but then
> > you can set something going and come back to it later. It's not
> > that difficult, as long as you know the basics (plug things in
> > one at a time and make sure they work, make sure you get the
> > cables in the right way round, etc).
>
> I expressed the same thing upon re-arriving here after a long
> absence, before much reading. I am surprised the trouble people
> get into while trying to put a system together. For a beginner,
> maybe better would be to buy a good-quality prebuilt system (maybe
> with as few parts as possible) and began swapping parts as your
> needs and the technologies change. Or maybe by a high quality
> bare-bones system. When the time comes to replace the mainboard or
> power supply and case, he will be ready to get into that.
>
> Have fun.
 

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> "Paolo Pignatelli" <Paolo@DotNetStore.com> wrote:
>
> In my estimation, a homebuilt PC is significantly more expensive
> than a prefabricated PC

Huh, on which planet? A machine costing about £500 in the shops can be
built at home for around £300!
 
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"Grendel" <me@me.com> wrote:
> "John Doe" <jdoe@usenet.love.invalid> wrote in message
>> "Paolo Pignatelli" <Paolo@DotNetStore.com> wrote:

>> In my estimation, a homebuilt PC is significantly more expensive
>> than a prefabricated PC
>
> Huh, on which planet?

Earth.

> A machine costing about œ500 in the shops can be
> built at home for around œ300!

On which planet?





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> Thanks. I have installed hard drives, both SCSI and ATA, and RAM and
> boards, etc... . I have just never changed a CPU or installed the MB in the
> case. How much more difficult is it?

It's not hard. You just need to take it slow because you won't
know what you are doing. You put the CPU and its fan/heat sink
onto the motherboard first, along with your sticks of RAM, then
put the motherboard into the case (which probably will already
have your power supply installed). Then you start plugging stuff
in, which isn't hard if you use the booklet that comes with the
motherboard as your step by step guide.
 

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"John Doe" <jdoe@usenet.love.invalid> wrote in message
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> "Grendel" <me@me.com> wrote:
>> "John Doe" <jdoe@usenet.love.invalid> wrote in message
>>> "Paolo Pignatelli" <Paolo@DotNetStore.com> wrote:
>
>>> In my estimation, a homebuilt PC is significantly more expensive
>>> than a prefabricated PC
>>
>> Huh, on which planet?
>
> Earth.
>
>> A machine costing about o500 in the shops can be
>> built at home for around o300!
>
> On which planet?
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Do your own simple comparison. Check out the cheapie machines that
supermarkets have started selling to see what's in them, look on the web at
places like ebuyer for barebones systems, or Komplett for an upgrade bundle,
or just build your own up using individual components (the supermarket ones
are generally using low end parts, which are the cheapest). Simple maths
really!

I got a m/b, XP3000+ cpu, 51MB RAM, 160GB hard drive, 600W power supply all
for around £200, so the rest of the bits shouldn't take it above £300.
 
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Easy as pie. I've been doing it for years with one arm disabled. Just be
patient and keep track of how the old parts went together. Usually with a
new mobo you'll have have to change the mounting posts(standoffs) a
bit.Unless its a new case too.
I've found the part I like the least is intalling the tiny front
panel,hd,fdd connectors.

"Paolo Pignatelli" <Paolo@DotNetStore.com> wrote in message
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> Thanks. I have installed hard drives, both SCSI and ATA, and RAM and
> boards, etc... . I have just never changed a CPU or installed the MB in
the
> case. How much more difficult is it?
>
> TIA
>
>
> "John Doe" <jdoe@usenet.love.invalid> wrote in message
> news:Xns965557BA1C120wisdomfolly@207.115.63.158...
> > "Grendel" <me@me.com> wrote:
> >
> > > It doesn't usually take too long to put a pc together, the time
> > > consuming part, I find, is installing all the software, but then
> > > you can set something going and come back to it later. It's not
> > > that difficult, as long as you know the basics (plug things in
> > > one at a time and make sure they work, make sure you get the
> > > cables in the right way round, etc).
> >
> > I expressed the same thing upon re-arriving here after a long
> > absence, before much reading. I am surprised the trouble people
> > get into while trying to put a system together. For a beginner,
> > maybe better would be to buy a good-quality prebuilt system (maybe
> > with as few parts as possible) and began swapping parts as your
> > needs and the technologies change. Or maybe by a high quality
> > bare-bones system. When the time comes to replace the mainboard or
> > power supply and case, he will be ready to get into that.
> >
> > Have fun.
>
>
 
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In article <4284affe$0$13898$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net>,
Grendel says...
>
> "John Doe" <jdoe@usenet.love.invalid> wrote in message
> news:Xns965554993BE7Awisdomfolly@207.115.63.158...
> > "Paolo Pignatelli" <Paolo@DotNetStore.com> wrote:
> >
> > In my estimation, a homebuilt PC is significantly more expensive
> > than a prefabricated PC
>
> Huh, on which planet? A machine costing about £500 in the shops can be
> built at home for around £300!
>
Bet you can't beat the price of a Dell entry level. Don't forget to
include the cost of XP Home OEM.


--
Conor

"Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most." O.Osbourne.
 
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Grendel wrote:
> "John Doe" <jdoe@usenet.love.invalid> wrote in message
> news:Xns965560946E188wisdomfolly@207.115.63.158...
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>>"Grendel" <me@me.com> wrote:
>>
>>>"John Doe" <jdoe@usenet.love.invalid> wrote in message
>>>
>>>>"Paolo Pignatelli" <Paolo@DotNetStore.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>In my estimation, a homebuilt PC is significantly more expensive
>>>>than a prefabricated PC
>>>
>>>Huh, on which planet?
>>
>>Earth.
>>
>>
>>>A machine costing about o500 in the shops can be
>>>built at home for around o300!
>>
>>On which planet?
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>>
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>>>Path:
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>
> Do your own simple comparison. Check out the cheapie machines that
> supermarkets have started selling to see what's in them, look on the web at
> places like ebuyer for barebones systems, or Komplett for an upgrade bundle,
> or just build your own up using individual components (the supermarket ones
> are generally using low end parts, which are the cheapest). Simple maths
> really!
>
> I got a m/b, XP3000+ cpu, 51MB RAM, 160GB hard drive, 600W power supply all
> for around £200, so the rest of the bits shouldn't take it above £300.
>
>
>

I agree, Grendel (comic or Gerte?). To build a computer yourself, you
get better quality components with better capabilities for significantly
less $$$ than a prefab machine. Assembling it yourself will save you
around another $50.

Ari

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spammage trappage: replace fishies_ with yahoo

I'm going to die rather sooner than I'd like. I tried to protect my
neighbours from crime, and became the victim of it. Complications in
hospital following this resulted in a serious illness. I now need a bone
marrow transplant. Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow
transplant, too. Please volunteer to be a marrow donor:
http://www.abmdr.org.au/
http://www.marrow.org/
 

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"spodosaurus" <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote in message
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>
> I agree, Grendel (comic or Gerte?).

I actually took my name from a Marillion song. The song is based on the
famous story of Beowulf, but it's from Grendel's perpective.

>
> Ari
>
> --
> spammage trappage: replace fishies_ with yahoo
>
> I'm going to die rather sooner than I'd like. I tried to protect my
> neighbours from crime, and became the victim of it. Complications in
> hospital following this resulted in a serious illness. I now need a bone
> marrow transplant. Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow
> transplant, too. Please volunteer to be a marrow donor:
> http://www.abmdr.org.au/
> http://www.marrow.org/

Good idea. I registered a couple of years ago as a friend seriously needed
a transplant. She managed to get a match and is much better now.

For people in the UK, look at : http://www.anthonynolan.org.uk/

Grendel.
 
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Al Smith wrote:
>> Thanks. I have installed hard drives, both SCSI and ATA, and RAM and
>> boards, etc... . I have just never changed a CPU or installed the
>> MB in the case. How much more difficult is it?
>
> It's not hard. You just need to take it slow because you won't
> know what you are doing. You put the CPU and its fan/heat sink
> onto the motherboard first, along with your sticks of RAM, then
> put the motherboard into the case (which probably will already
> have your power supply installed). Then you start plugging stuff
> in, which isn't hard if you use the booklet that comes with the
> motherboard as your step by step guide.


BAAAAAHAHAHAHHAHHAHA! you really are an ignorant fool aren't you. What
about voltages on say agp cards, hd compatibilities, and the such?
 

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On Fri, 13 May 2005 09:00:57 -0400, "Paolo Pignatelli"
<Paolo@DotNetStore.com> wrote:

>I have made some preliminary choices for the components for a new PC that I
>want to build, but am not sure that I will be able to spare the time (or
>have the ability). There are some PC repair shops around here that say that
>they can get the components, and build it for me. What price can I expect?
>Generally, it will be an Intel based computer with a Sonata case and an Asus
>((P5AD2-E Premium) mb) with 2 gigs of ram and 2 250SATA drives.
>
>TIA
>
The CPU selected will have an impact on overall cost, and it should.
This sounds like a $1500 system. Expect $100-150 for the build
service cost and testing.
 
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"Paolo Pignatelli" <Paolo@DotNetStore.com> wrote in message
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> Thanks. I have installed hard drives, both SCSI and ATA, and RAM and
> boards, etc... . I have just never changed a CPU or installed the MB in
> the
> case. How much more difficult is it?

A CPU is easy - just putting the heat sink takes a bit of care, but it's not
complicated. The MB is just a tad more complicated, but if you can figure
out a hard drive, you can figure out a MB.
 
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jeffc wrote:
> "Paolo Pignatelli" <Paolo@DotNetStore.com> wrote in message
> news:xI2he.1011$yx.806@fe08.lga...
>> Thanks. I have installed hard drives, both SCSI and ATA, and RAM and
>> boards, etc... . I have just never changed a CPU or installed the
>> MB in the
>> case. How much more difficult is it?
>
> A CPU is easy - just putting the heat sink takes a bit of care, but
> it's not complicated. The MB is just a tad more complicated, but if
> you can figure out a hard drive, you can figure out a MB.

and the FSB?
 
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"John Doe" <jdoe@usenet.love.invalid> wrote in message
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> "Paolo Pignatelli" <Paolo@DotNetStore.com> wrote:
>
>> I have made some preliminary choices for the components for a
>> new PC that I want to build, but am not sure that I will be able
>> to spare the time (or have the ability). There are some PC
>> repair shops around here that say that they can get the
>> components, and build it for me. What price can I expect?
>> Generally, it will be an Intel based computer with a Sonata case
>> and an Asus ((P5AD2-E Premium) mb) with 2 gigs of ram and 2
>> 250SATA drives.
>
> In my estimation, a homebuilt PC is significantly more expensive
> than a prefabricated PC.

Yes and no. If you really compare apples to apples, that is, the exact same
components in each one, is it really? Can you even get the exact components
you want in a prefab computer? The main reason they're cheaper is that they
dictate what components you get.
 
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"Grendel" <me@me.com> wrote:

> Do your own simple comparison.
....
> I got a m/b, XP3000+ cpu, 51MB RAM, 160GB hard drive, 600W power
> supply all for around £200,

From ZipZoomFly:

MSI K7N2 Delta2-LSR nForce2 Ultra 400
$60

AMD Athlon XP 3000+ 2.16GHz 333FSB 512KB
$115

Corsair VS512MB333 512MB DDR333
$42

IBM Hitachi Deskstar 7K250 160GB Ultra ATA/100 7200RPM
$82.50

Antec SmartPower 2.0 SP-350 350W Power Supply
$60 (forget about a namebrand 600 W power supply)

That's about $360.

> so the rest of the bits shouldn't take it above £300.

The rest is more than bits.

Computer case, mouse, keyboard, DVD/CD drive, video card, sound
card, modem, speakers, Windows and the usual bundle of software
which is worth at least $3,000 [kidding].

The devil is in the details.

If you want to, you can buy junk and get more for less.
 
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Paolo Pignatelli wrote:
> I have made some preliminary choices for the components for a new PC that I
> want to build, but am not sure that I will be able to spare the time (or
> have the ability). There are some PC repair shops around here that say that
> they can get the components, and build it for me. What price can I expect?
> Generally, it will be an Intel based computer with a Sonata case and an Asus
> ((P5AD2-E Premium) mb) with 2 gigs of ram and 2 250SATA drives.
>
> TIA
>
>


This is all about user needs.

You may or may not be able to save $ by building your own. I plan my own
builds not with the thought of saving money, but with the goal of
getting a machine suited exactly to my current needs, that has room for
future upgrades, and that is free from proprietary surprises (like the
Dell power supply fiasco). When finished, it is also free of bloated
"software" packages that offer little in the way of actual utility, and
seem mostly designed to get the naive user to purchase either a full
edition, online services, or spend money on consumables (like ink!).

After almost 20 years of PC use, I've been suffering as a user for
almost as long as many of the marketing asshats that are trying to
convice me to buy from Dell, Gateway or a big box store have been alive.
I have a much better idea about what my needs are than they ever could
have. It's also a pretty good bet that the Best Buy/Circuit City sales
person knows damned little about what he/she is offering other than to
push their current loss leader and get you to try and bite off on the
extended warranty.

"Homebuilt is cheaper". "Storebought is cheaper" Both are true: if the
price point is your ONLY consideration, you can either shop or select
cheaper build supplies to meet the low price mark.

Of course, you will end up with a $25 motherboard that may not ever get
the BIOS update it needs to move from Windows 98 to XP (or it may just
stop playing with USB devices..). You will end up with a hard drive that
is possibly guranteed for as a little as one year (when there are 3 and
5 year guranteed drives available for only marginally more expense).

You will have "integrated everything"...that tend to be harder to
troubleshoot and repair/replace.

For my own user needs (large dual displays for academic work and photo
editing, more than the minumum ammount of RAM, high quality sound for a
good 5.1 speaker system, lots of storage and both USB and firewire
connectivity): I can certainly build for within 10% on either side of
what I can buy. And, because of the occasional issues with my own
technical expertise, I have an established relationshiop withn a very
good local PC repair guy. He's told me that if I ever get tired or
misconnecting wires or forgetting basic troubleshooting (yes, it did
cost me $75 once after I neglected to try and reset the CMOS), he'll
assemble my machine for a 1-hour labor charge. But, each of my homebuilt
projects has worked from the first power-on.

I've bought mid-upper cost prebuilt in the past, and found them full of
compromises. At least with a home built (or self-selected components
assembled by a trusted tech) I get to decide where to make them.

Many people have had perfectly good experinces with mass market/prebuilt
machines, and I'm delighted for them. I prefer the greater control
results in my eventual computing experience when I roll my own....
 
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ropeyarn@gmail.com wrote:

> You may or may not be able to save $ by building your own.

Basically, budget builds are not a cost saver, but more extravagant builds
are. I built my first machine with, then, top shelf stuff, and priced an
Alienware machine with comparable stuff and it was quite a bit more
expensive. I couldn't even match the componentry with a Dell or Gateway.
But, for a budget build, you can't beat getting a nice eMachines on sale
instead.


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In article <d6543n.10c.1@133.256.1.103.MISMATCH>, sbb78247 says...
> jeffc wrote:
> > "Paolo Pignatelli" <Paolo@DotNetStore.com> wrote in message
> > news:xI2he.1011$yx.806@fe08.lga...
> >> Thanks. I have installed hard drives, both SCSI and ATA, and RAM and
> >> boards, etc... . I have just never changed a CPU or installed the
> >> MB in the
> >> case. How much more difficult is it?
> >
> > A CPU is easy - just putting the heat sink takes a bit of care, but
> > it's not complicated. The MB is just a tad more complicated, but if
> > you can figure out a hard drive, you can figure out a MB.
>
> and the FSB?
>
Motherboard BIOS automagically detects it from the CPUID.


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Components are easy to get and have em delivered to the door, building
any system is not really rocket science, but one would need to have
built more than a few systems.

That's what I do, build custom systems, but don't think it will be
cheap if you want good gear inside it, game boxes being the most
expensive with video cards at a grand or so, cpu's much the same or
more, the $ can add up very quickly.

The big companies put out the name systems, like Dell, HP or Compaq
but they are full of generic items, that last the warranty then die,
cheaper than the good box but can be a real PIA when upgrading or
getting repairs, the "generic ATX" quality system with quality gear
will cost ya $4,000 or so.

Even a good case with nothing inside it can cost you around $500, your
board another $300, cpu $1,000-$1,500, vid card another $1,000, $500
for some memory, one can start to see how it adds up so fast, and
it's got no drives, sound card or other goodies yet.

If money is no problem, great, I take 10% added to the top, a deposit
up front of 25% not refundable if you pull out, what do ya want ?
building em is the simple part, paying for em is the hard bit.
 
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digisol wrote:
> Components are easy to get and have em delivered to the door, building
> any system is not really rocket science, but one would need to have
> built more than a few systems.
>
> That's what I do, build custom systems, but don't think it will be
> cheap if you want good gear inside it, game boxes being the most
> expensive with video cards at a grand or so, cpu's much the same or
> more, the $ can add up very quickly.
>
> The big companies put out the name systems, like Dell, HP or Compaq
> but they are full of generic items, that last the warranty then die,
> cheaper than the good box but can be a real PIA when upgrading or
> getting repairs, the "generic ATX" quality system with quality gear
> will cost ya $4,000 or so.
>
> Even a good case with nothing inside it can cost you around $500, your
> board another $300, cpu $1,000-$1,500, vid card another $1,000, $500
> for some memory, one can start to see how it adds up so fast, and
> it's got no drives, sound card or other goodies yet.
>
> If money is no problem, great, I take 10% added to the top, a deposit
> up front of 25% not refundable if you pull out, what do ya want ?
> building em is the simple part, paying for em is the hard bit.


Yikes! These are all uber extreme high end price points. The components
in this range is at the level of top of the line Alienware or Northwest
Falcom machines.

You can easily easily reduce the cost of any of these by 50% (or even
75%) and still end up with a superb system --even for demanding current
games.

Half the battle with a local custom builder is an honest business
relationship that will not result in being sold ultra premium parts
unessecarily.