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Anonymous
May 25, 2004 2:09:13 PM

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I just installed a windows server 2003. I will make it a
PDC and bring my PDC and 2 BDC's from a windows NT 4
domain. Any ideas on the best way to do it? Any
critical thing I need to do first? Thanks

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Anonymous
May 25, 2004 3:53:27 PM

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Your plan will not work. There is *no* *way* to have a NT 4.0 PDC and a Win
2k3 DC in the SAME domain.
You need to either upgrade or migrate.
To upgrade you MUST upgrade the NT 4.0 PDC first. To migrate you would set
up 2 separate domains "side by side" on the same wire and use ADMT to move
users from one domain to the other

See:

How to : Upgrade a Windows NT 4.0 Based PDC to a Windows Server 2003 Based
Domain Controller
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;326209&Product=winsvr2003


How To: Set up ADMT for a Windows NT 4.0 -to- Windows Server 2003 Migration.
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;325851&Product=winsvr2003


> domain. Any ideas on the best way to do it? Any
> critical thing I need to do first? Thanks

The most "critical" thing you need to do is take your time and plan your
path through the upgrade/migration. You need to know enough about the pros
and cons of each to make the *right* decision in your case. You need to know
what you want the final outcome to look like, then you can determine the
proper course (upgrade or migrate). One question that goes a long way in
determining which method you take is: Do you need the domain name to be the
same? If so that pretty much rules out directly migrating to Win 2k3 because
to migrate you need to create a trust between the two domain. You can't
create a trust between two domain with the same name. There are way's around
it but you have to know what you are doing.

hth
DDS W 2k MVP MCSE

"rafa" <rflores@liquidpacllc.com> wrote in message
news:121c501c4427b$0104f810$a401280a@phx.gbl...
> I just installed a windows server 2003. I will make it a
> PDC and bring my PDC and 2 BDC's from a windows NT 4
> domain. Any ideas on the best way to do it? Any
> critical thing I need to do first? Thanks
Anonymous
May 25, 2004 3:53:28 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsnt.domain (More info?)

I'm not experienced in win 2k3 but will it work if I make
my win 2k3 a pdc and demote my nt pdc to bdc?
>-----Original Message-----
>Your plan will not work. There is *no* *way* to have a
NT 4.0 PDC and a Win
>2k3 DC in the SAME domain.
>You need to either upgrade or migrate.
>To upgrade you MUST upgrade the NT 4.0 PDC first. To
migrate you would set
>up 2 separate domains "side by side" on the same wire
and use ADMT to move
>users from one domain to the other
>
>See:
>
>How to : Upgrade a Windows NT 4.0 Based PDC to a Windows
Server 2003 Based
>Domain Controller
>http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-
us;326209&Product=winsvr2003
>
>
>How To: Set up ADMT for a Windows NT 4.0 -to- Windows
Server 2003 Migration.
>http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-
us;325851&Product=winsvr2003
>
>
>> domain. Any ideas on the best way to do it? Any
>> critical thing I need to do first? Thanks
>
>The most "critical" thing you need to do is take your
time and plan your
>path through the upgrade/migration. You need to know
enough about the pros
>and cons of each to make the *right* decision in your
case. You need to know
>what you want the final outcome to look like, then you
can determine the
>proper course (upgrade or migrate). One question that
goes a long way in
>determining which method you take is: Do you need the
domain name to be the
>same? If so that pretty much rules out directly
migrating to Win 2k3 because
>to migrate you need to create a trust between the two
domain. You can't
>create a trust between two domain with the same name.
There are way's around
>it but you have to know what you are doing.
>
>hth
>DDS W 2k MVP MCSE
>
>"rafa" <rflores@liquidpacllc.com> wrote in message
>news:121c501c4427b$0104f810$a401280a@phx.gbl...
>> I just installed a windows server 2003. I will make
it a
>> PDC and bring my PDC and 2 BDC's from a windows NT 4
>> domain. Any ideas on the best way to do it? Any
>> critical thing I need to do first? Thanks
>
>
>.
>
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Anonymous
May 25, 2004 4:24:22 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsnt.domain (More info?)

No you cannot do that. The previous post is what you need to do. The
Win2k/2k3 machines CANNOT be a domain controller at all in a NT4 domain.

--
Scott Harding
MCSE, MCSA, A+, Network+
Microsoft MVP - Windows NT Server

"rafa" <rflores@liquidpacllc.com> wrote in message
news:123b701c44283$a82ae930$a001280a@phx.gbl...
> I'm not experienced in win 2k3 but will it work if I make
> my win 2k3 a pdc and demote my nt pdc to bdc?
> >-----Original Message-----
> >Your plan will not work. There is *no* *way* to have a
> NT 4.0 PDC and a Win
> >2k3 DC in the SAME domain.
> >You need to either upgrade or migrate.
> >To upgrade you MUST upgrade the NT 4.0 PDC first. To
> migrate you would set
> >up 2 separate domains "side by side" on the same wire
> and use ADMT to move
> >users from one domain to the other
> >
> >See:
> >
> >How to : Upgrade a Windows NT 4.0 Based PDC to a Windows
> Server 2003 Based
> >Domain Controller
> >http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-
> us;326209&Product=winsvr2003
> >
> >
> >How To: Set up ADMT for a Windows NT 4.0 -to- Windows
> Server 2003 Migration.
> >http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-
> us;325851&Product=winsvr2003
> >
> >
> >> domain. Any ideas on the best way to do it? Any
> >> critical thing I need to do first? Thanks
> >
> >The most "critical" thing you need to do is take your
> time and plan your
> >path through the upgrade/migration. You need to know
> enough about the pros
> >and cons of each to make the *right* decision in your
> case. You need to know
> >what you want the final outcome to look like, then you
> can determine the
> >proper course (upgrade or migrate). One question that
> goes a long way in
> >determining which method you take is: Do you need the
> domain name to be the
> >same? If so that pretty much rules out directly
> migrating to Win 2k3 because
> >to migrate you need to create a trust between the two
> domain. You can't
> >create a trust between two domain with the same name.
> There are way's around
> >it but you have to know what you are doing.
> >
> >hth
> >DDS W 2k MVP MCSE
> >
> >"rafa" <rflores@liquidpacllc.com> wrote in message
> >news:121c501c4427b$0104f810$a401280a@phx.gbl...
> >> I just installed a windows server 2003. I will make
> it a
> >> PDC and bring my PDC and 2 BDC's from a windows NT 4
> >> domain. Any ideas on the best way to do it? Any
> >> critical thing I need to do first? Thanks
> >
> >
> >.
> >
Anonymous
May 25, 2004 5:21:59 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsnt.domain (More info?)

> I'm not experienced in win 2k3 but will it work if I make
> my win 2k3 a pdc and demote my nt pdc to bdc?

You do not get the option to "demote a NT 4.0 PDC" you only get the option
to promote a NT 4.0 BDC to PDC which demotes the NT 4.0 PDC. No this will
not work.

Either upgrade:
How to : Upgrade a Windows NT 4.0 Based PDC to a Windows Server 2003 Based
Domain Controller
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;326209&Product=winsvr2003

or migrate:

How To: Set up ADMT for a Windows NT 4.0 -to- Windows Server 2003 Migration.
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;325851&Product=winsvr2003


hth
DDS W 2k MVP MCSE


"rafa" <rflores@liquidpacllc.com> wrote in message
news:123b701c44283$a82ae930$a001280a@phx.gbl...
> I'm not experienced in win 2k3 but will it work if I make
> my win 2k3 a pdc and demote my nt pdc to bdc?
> >-----Original Message-----
> >Your plan will not work. There is *no* *way* to have a
> NT 4.0 PDC and a Win
> >2k3 DC in the SAME domain.
> >You need to either upgrade or migrate.
> >To upgrade you MUST upgrade the NT 4.0 PDC first. To
> migrate you would set
> >up 2 separate domains "side by side" on the same wire
> and use ADMT to move
> >users from one domain to the other
> >
> >See:
> >
> >How to : Upgrade a Windows NT 4.0 Based PDC to a Windows
> Server 2003 Based
> >Domain Controller
> >http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-
> us;326209&Product=winsvr2003
> >
> >
> >How To: Set up ADMT for a Windows NT 4.0 -to- Windows
> Server 2003 Migration.
> >http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-
> us;325851&Product=winsvr2003
> >
> >
> >> domain. Any ideas on the best way to do it? Any
> >> critical thing I need to do first? Thanks
> >
> >The most "critical" thing you need to do is take your
> time and plan your
> >path through the upgrade/migration. You need to know
> enough about the pros
> >and cons of each to make the *right* decision in your
> case. You need to know
> >what you want the final outcome to look like, then you
> can determine the
> >proper course (upgrade or migrate). One question that
> goes a long way in
> >determining which method you take is: Do you need the
> domain name to be the
> >same? If so that pretty much rules out directly
> migrating to Win 2k3 because
> >to migrate you need to create a trust between the two
> domain. You can't
> >create a trust between two domain with the same name.
> There are way's around
> >it but you have to know what you are doing.
> >
> >hth
> >DDS W 2k MVP MCSE
> >
> >"rafa" <rflores@liquidpacllc.com> wrote in message
> >news:121c501c4427b$0104f810$a401280a@phx.gbl...
> >> I just installed a windows server 2003. I will make
> it a
> >> PDC and bring my PDC and 2 BDC's from a windows NT 4
> >> domain. Any ideas on the best way to do it? Any
> >> critical thing I need to do first? Thanks
> >
> >
> >.
> >
Anonymous
May 25, 2004 8:11:28 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsnt.domain (More info?)

I thank you both for your help. I have one last
question. If I do the migration which is what I'm
thinking about, am I going to be able to see my two NT
servers?
>-----Original Message-----
>> I'm not experienced in win 2k3 but will it work if I
make
>> my win 2k3 a pdc and demote my nt pdc to bdc?
>
>You do not get the option to "demote a NT 4.0 PDC" you
only get the option
>to promote a NT 4.0 BDC to PDC which demotes the NT 4.0
PDC. No this will
>not work.
>
>Either upgrade:
>How to : Upgrade a Windows NT 4.0 Based PDC to a Windows
Server 2003 Based
>Domain Controller
>http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-
us;326209&Product=winsvr2003
>
>or migrate:
>
>How To: Set up ADMT for a Windows NT 4.0 -to- Windows
Server 2003 Migration.
>http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-
us;325851&Product=winsvr2003
>
>
>hth
>DDS W 2k MVP MCSE
>
>
>"rafa" <rflores@liquidpacllc.com> wrote in message
>news:123b701c44283$a82ae930$a001280a@phx.gbl...
>> I'm not experienced in win 2k3 but will it work if I
make
>> my win 2k3 a pdc and demote my nt pdc to bdc?
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >Your plan will not work. There is *no* *way* to have a
>> NT 4.0 PDC and a Win
>> >2k3 DC in the SAME domain.
>> >You need to either upgrade or migrate.
>> >To upgrade you MUST upgrade the NT 4.0 PDC first. To
>> migrate you would set
>> >up 2 separate domains "side by side" on the same wire
>> and use ADMT to move
>> >users from one domain to the other
>> >
>> >See:
>> >
>> >How to : Upgrade a Windows NT 4.0 Based PDC to a
Windows
>> Server 2003 Based
>> >Domain Controller
>> >http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-
>> us;326209&Product=winsvr2003
>> >
>> >
>> >How To: Set up ADMT for a Windows NT 4.0 -to- Windows
>> Server 2003 Migration.
>> >http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-
>> us;325851&Product=winsvr2003
>> >
>> >
>> >> domain. Any ideas on the best way to do it? Any
>> >> critical thing I need to do first? Thanks
>> >
>> >The most "critical" thing you need to do is take your
>> time and plan your
>> >path through the upgrade/migration. You need to know
>> enough about the pros
>> >and cons of each to make the *right* decision in your
>> case. You need to know
>> >what you want the final outcome to look like, then you
>> can determine the
>> >proper course (upgrade or migrate). One question that
>> goes a long way in
>> >determining which method you take is: Do you need the
>> domain name to be the
>> >same? If so that pretty much rules out directly
>> migrating to Win 2k3 because
>> >to migrate you need to create a trust between the two
>> domain. You can't
>> >create a trust between two domain with the same name.
>> There are way's around
>> >it but you have to know what you are doing.
>> >
>> >hth
>> >DDS W 2k MVP MCSE
>> >
>> >"rafa" <rflores@liquidpacllc.com> wrote in message
>> >news:121c501c4427b$0104f810$a401280a@phx.gbl...
>> >> I just installed a windows server 2003. I will make
>> it a
>> >> PDC and bring my PDC and 2 BDC's from a windows NT 4
>> >> domain. Any ideas on the best way to do it? Any
>> >> critical thing I need to do first? Thanks
>> >
>> >
>> >.
>> >
>
>
>.
>
Anonymous
May 26, 2004 2:23:14 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsnt.domain (More info?)

If I do the migration which is what I'm
> thinking about, am I going to be able to see my two NT
> servers?

What do you mean by "see my two NT servers"? You have to set up a trust
between the two domains, you have to see each domain to set up a trust.

hth
DDS W 2k MVP MCSE

"rafa" <rflores@liquidpacllc.com> wrote in message
news:123d301c442ad$9bc91ac0$a301280a@phx.gbl...
> I thank you both for your help. I have one last
> question. If I do the migration which is what I'm
> thinking about, am I going to be able to see my two NT
> servers?
> >-----Original Message-----
> >> I'm not experienced in win 2k3 but will it work if I
> make
> >> my win 2k3 a pdc and demote my nt pdc to bdc?
> >
> >You do not get the option to "demote a NT 4.0 PDC" you
> only get the option
> >to promote a NT 4.0 BDC to PDC which demotes the NT 4.0
> PDC. No this will
> >not work.
> >
> >Either upgrade:
> >How to : Upgrade a Windows NT 4.0 Based PDC to a Windows
> Server 2003 Based
> >Domain Controller
> >http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-
> us;326209&Product=winsvr2003
> >
> >or migrate:
> >
> >How To: Set up ADMT for a Windows NT 4.0 -to- Windows
> Server 2003 Migration.
> >http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-
> us;325851&Product=winsvr2003
> >
> >
> >hth
> >DDS W 2k MVP MCSE
> >
> >
> >"rafa" <rflores@liquidpacllc.com> wrote in message
> >news:123b701c44283$a82ae930$a001280a@phx.gbl...
> >> I'm not experienced in win 2k3 but will it work if I
> make
> >> my win 2k3 a pdc and demote my nt pdc to bdc?
> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> >Your plan will not work. There is *no* *way* to have a
> >> NT 4.0 PDC and a Win
> >> >2k3 DC in the SAME domain.
> >> >You need to either upgrade or migrate.
> >> >To upgrade you MUST upgrade the NT 4.0 PDC first. To
> >> migrate you would set
> >> >up 2 separate domains "side by side" on the same wire
> >> and use ADMT to move
> >> >users from one domain to the other
> >> >
> >> >See:
> >> >
> >> >How to : Upgrade a Windows NT 4.0 Based PDC to a
> Windows
> >> Server 2003 Based
> >> >Domain Controller
> >> >http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-
> >> us;326209&Product=winsvr2003
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >How To: Set up ADMT for a Windows NT 4.0 -to- Windows
> >> Server 2003 Migration.
> >> >http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-
> >> us;325851&Product=winsvr2003
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> domain. Any ideas on the best way to do it? Any
> >> >> critical thing I need to do first? Thanks
> >> >
> >> >The most "critical" thing you need to do is take your
> >> time and plan your
> >> >path through the upgrade/migration. You need to know
> >> enough about the pros
> >> >and cons of each to make the *right* decision in your
> >> case. You need to know
> >> >what you want the final outcome to look like, then you
> >> can determine the
> >> >proper course (upgrade or migrate). One question that
> >> goes a long way in
> >> >determining which method you take is: Do you need the
> >> domain name to be the
> >> >same? If so that pretty much rules out directly
> >> migrating to Win 2k3 because
> >> >to migrate you need to create a trust between the two
> >> domain. You can't
> >> >create a trust between two domain with the same name.
> >> There are way's around
> >> >it but you have to know what you are doing.
> >> >
> >> >hth
> >> >DDS W 2k MVP MCSE
> >> >
> >> >"rafa" <rflores@liquidpacllc.com> wrote in message
> >> >news:121c501c4427b$0104f810$a401280a@phx.gbl...
> >> >> I just installed a windows server 2003. I will make
> >> it a
> >> >> PDC and bring my PDC and 2 BDC's from a windows NT 4
> >> >> domain. Any ideas on the best way to do it? Any
> >> >> critical thing I need to do first? Thanks
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >.
> >> >
> >
> >
> >.
> >
!