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I found a 70+ gig WD SATA HD for $250.
For this price I could buy 400 gigs of regular HD space.
WHy are the SATAs so expensive.

I compared the stats and the tranfer rates were 130 for regular and
150 for the SATA. The serial ATAs also had a seek rate 2x faster the
the plain ATA drives. But not enought in my books to pay the
difference.

What gives?

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You probably found a 74GB Raptor drive which is a 10,000rpm drive and quite
high performance. 7200rpm SATA drives that have the same specs as an PATA
drive are generally only a few dollars more. For example, the Seagate 400GB
SATA drive is only $8 more than the PATA version.


"Brett Miller" <Brett@miller.com> wrote in message
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>I found a 70+ gig WD SATA HD for $250.
> For this price I could buy 400 gigs of regular HD space.
> WHy are the SATAs so expensive.
>
> I compared the stats and the tranfer rates were 130 for regular and
> 150 for the SATA. The serial ATAs also had a seek rate 2x faster the
> the plain ATA drives. But not enought in my books to pay the
> difference.
>
> What gives?
>
> Thanks
>
 
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Brett Miller <Brett@miller.com> wrote:

> I found a 70+ gig WD SATA HD for $250.
> For this price I could buy 400 gigs of regular HD space.
> WHy are the SATAs so expensive.
> I compared the stats and the tranfer rates were 130 for regular
> and 150 for the SATA. The serial ATAs also had a seek rate 2x
> faster the the plain ATA drives. But not enought in my books to
> pay the difference.

The storage group is where you will find hard disk drive
specialists.
 
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John Doe, <jdoe@usenet.love.invalid>, the cheeseparing, gelatinous lout, and
vagrant and gentleman of the road, blustered:

> Troll
>

Wanker

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John Doe, <jdoe@usenet.love.invalid>, the pale-faced, two-chambered
freeze-dried insect, and minor, worthless author of usenet posts, derided:

> Brett Miller <Brett@miller.com> wrote:
>
>> I found a 70+ gig WD SATA HD for $250.
>> For this price I could buy 400 gigs of regular HD space.
>> WHy are the SATAs so expensive.
>> I compared the stats and the tranfer rates were 130 for regular
>> and 150 for the SATA. The serial ATAs also had a seek rate 2x
>> faster the the plain ATA drives. But not enought in my books to
>> pay the difference.
>
> The storage group is where you will find hard disk drive
> specialists.

Rather than know-nothing, cunts like "John Doe".

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impossible to adapt to language. These fancies arise in the soul, alas
how rarely. Only at epochs of most intense tranquillity, when the
bodily and mental health are in perfection. And at those weird points
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Lord Gazwad of Grantham wrote:
> John Doe, <jdoe@usenet.love.invalid>, the cheeseparing, gelatinous
> lout, and vagrant and gentleman of the road, blustered:
>
>> Troll
>>
>
> Wanker

yes he is, isn't he.


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Brett Miller wrote:

> I found a 70+ gig WD SATA HD for $250.
> For this price I could buy 400 gigs of regular HD space.
> WHy are the SATAs so expensive.
>
> I compared the stats and the tranfer rates were 130 for regular and
> 150 for the SATA. The serial ATAs also had a seek rate 2x faster the
> the plain ATA drives. But not enought in my books to pay the
> difference.
>
> What gives?
>

SATA is the future, ATA is not.
 
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maybe they are expensive where you live but sata and ata are pretty much in
the same price range per gig. You probably stumbled on a 10k rpm hd or
something

"Brett Miller" <Brett@miller.com> wrote in message
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>I found a 70+ gig WD SATA HD for $250.
> For this price I could buy 400 gigs of regular HD space.
> WHy are the SATAs so expensive.
>
> I compared the stats and the tranfer rates were 130 for regular and
> 150 for the SATA. The serial ATAs also had a seek rate 2x faster the
> the plain ATA drives. But not enought in my books to pay the
> difference.
>
> What gives?
>
> Thanks
>
 
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That particular SATA drive that you found is NOT a typical one; it is a
Western Digital 10,000 rpm Raptor. If you look around for a WD standard
7200 rpm SATA drive you will find that they are priced within $5 - $10 of
the price of the equivalent size IDE drive.

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"Brett Miller" <Brett@miller.com> wrote in message
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>I found a 70+ gig WD SATA HD for $250.
> For this price I could buy 400 gigs of regular HD space.
> WHy are the SATAs so expensive.
>
> I compared the stats and the tranfer rates were 130 for regular and
> 150 for the SATA. The serial ATAs also had a seek rate 2x faster the
> the plain ATA drives. But not enought in my books to pay the
> difference.
>
> What gives?
>
> Thanks
>
 
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"Brett Miller" <Brett@miller.com> wrote in message
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>I found a 70+ gig WD SATA HD for $250.
> For this price I could buy 400 gigs of regular HD space.
> WHy are the SATAs so expensive.
>
> I compared the stats and the tranfer rates were 130 for regular and
> 150 for the SATA. The serial ATAs also had a seek rate 2x faster the
> the plain ATA drives. But not enought in my books to pay the
> difference.

Correction: THEORETICAL transfer rates are 130 for PATA and 150 for SATA.
The only thing that runs that fast is cache oriented. Physical transfer
speed is a bit less.

> What gives?

You found a Raptor, it looks like... 10,000 RPM platter speed is the BIG
difference...and, of course, availability (supply/demand). A normal SATA
disk is only a little more, if that, except that you find huge rebate sales
on WD PATA drives, but never SATA drives.
 
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sbb78247, <sbb78247@don'tknowdon'tcare.invalid>, the mateless, fake homo,
and farm animal castrator, threw up:

> Lord Gazwad of Grantham wrote:
>> John Doe, <jdoe@usenet.love.invalid>, the cheeseparing, gelatinous
>> lout, and vagrant and gentleman of the road, blustered:
>>
>>> Troll
>>>
>>
>> Wanker
>
> yes he is, isn't he.

Yep, and he needs two hands, one for the magnifying glass and the other to
hold the tweezers.

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Gazwad wrote:
> sbb78247, <sbb78247@don'tknowdon'tcare.invalid>, the mateless, fake
> homo, and farm animal castrator, threw up:
>
>> Lord Gazwad of Grantham wrote:
>>> John Doe, <jdoe@usenet.love.invalid>, the cheeseparing, gelatinous
>>> lout, and vagrant and gentleman of the road, blustered:
>>>
>>>> Troll
>>>>
>>>
>>> Wanker
>>
>> yes he is, isn't he.
>
> Yep, and he needs two hands, one for the magnifying glass and the
> other to hold the tweezers.

I thought he might have one hand free since it was said he would need and
electron microscope to find the damn thing. My bad.


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The troll should continue her migration
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> Lord Gazwad of Grantham wrote:
>> John Doe, <jdoe@usenet.love.invalid>, the cheeseparing, gelatinous
>> lout, and vagrant and gentleman of the road, blustered:
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>>> Troll
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>>
>> Wanker
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> yes he is, isn't he.
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John Doe wrote:
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>

oh you are a scary one aren't you pencil dick.
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"" wrote:
> "Brett Miller" <Brett@miller.com> wrote in message
> news:jf3kc15rnqee13g9fsujjat7885v3sgvk0@4ax.com...
> >I found a 70+ gig WD SATA HD for $250.
> > For this price I could buy 400 gigs of regular HD space.
> > WHy are the SATAs so expensive.
> >
> > I compared the stats and the tranfer rates were 130 for
> regular and
> > 150 for the SATA. The serial ATAs also had a seek rate 2x
> faster the
> > the plain ATA drives. But not enought in my books to pay
> the
> > difference.
>
> Correction: THEORETICAL transfer rates are 130 for PATA and
> 150 for SATA.
> The only thing that runs that fast is cache oriented. Physical
> transfer
> speed is a bit less.
>
> > What gives?
>
> You found a Raptor, it looks like... 10,000 RPM platter speed
> is the BIG
> difference...and, of course, availability (supply/demand). A
> normal SATA
> disk is only a little more, if that, except that you find huge
> rebate sales
> on WD PATA drives, but never SATA drives.

Yeah, looks like they’re trying to phase out and get rid of old
technology PATA drives. Although if you make a comparison between
7200 RPM SATA and PATA drives, you may not see a big difference from
what I’ve seen. You’d see bigger differences if you got a 10000 RPM
or 15000 RPM hard drive.

I’m not the expert, but after researching it a little on the net, I
think that’s about right.

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I found a 70 Gig WD SATA HD for around $230. It had a 10k rpm,
seek time around 7ns. Data transfer was MAYBE 150 (?) Second.
I compaired this to a 200 GIG WD ATA HD for around 1/2 the price.
7,500 RPM
Seek <15ms
XFER 130


I don't know why one would by a SATA. It was not significantly
faster, though the seek seed was twice as fast..

I don't see any reason to buy one.

Also, what is up with the 8meg cache? Is this some iron wall that
cannot be surpassed, or is there no reason to do better?
I would think that a min of 128megs up to 1 gig would be much better.

Comments?



On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 11:03:03 GMT, Matt <matt@themattfella.zzzz.com>
wrote:

>ChangeGuy wrote:
>> maybe they are expensive where you live but sata and ata are pretty much in
>> the same price range per gig. You probably stumbled on a 10k rpm hd or
>> something
>
>IDE is much cheaper than SATA if you look for rebates. e.g. WD 160GB
>IDE for $30 after rebate. It is still rare to find SATA drives with
>rebates.
 
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Brett Miller, <Brett@miller.com>, the snakelike, hilarious jolthead, and
lady living in a rural location who embroiders flowers on muslin, henpecked:

> I found a 70 Gig WD SATA HD for around $230. It had a 10k rpm,
> seek time around 7ns. Data transfer was MAYBE 150 (?) Second.
> I compaired this to a 200 GIG WD ATA HD for around 1/2 the price.
> 7,500 RPM
> Seek <15ms
> XFER 130
>
>
> I don't know why one would by a SATA. It was not significantly
> faster, though the seek seed was twice as fast..
>
> I don't see any reason to buy one.
>
> Also, what is up with the 8meg cache? Is this some iron wall that
> cannot be surpassed, or is there no reason to do better?
> I would think that a min of 128megs up to 1 gig would be much better.
>
> Comments?
>

All my new drives have 16.

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it. There is, however, a class of fancies of exquisite delicacy which
are not thoughts, and to which as yet I have found it absolutely
impossible to adapt to language. These fancies arise in the soul, alas
how rarely. Only at epochs of most intense tranquillity, when the
bodily and mental health are in perfection. And at those weird points
of time, where the confines of the waking world blend with the world of
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Brett Miller wrote:
> I found a 70 Gig WD SATA HD for around $230. It had a 10k rpm,
> seek time around 7ns. Data transfer was MAYBE 150 (?) Second.
> I compaired this to a 200 GIG WD ATA HD for around 1/2 the price.
> 7,500 RPM
> Seek <15ms
> XFER 130
>
>
> I don't know why one would by a SATA. It was not significantly
> faster, though the seek seed was twice as fast..
>
> I don't see any reason to buy one.
>
> Also, what is up with the 8meg cache? Is this some iron wall that
> cannot be surpassed, or is there no reason to do better?
> I would think that a min of 128megs up to 1 gig would be much better.
>
> Comments?
>

I have the WD 36.7 GB SATA HD that runs at 10K. It only does two things.
One, it's where my Windows XP Pro pagefile is for as fast virtual memory
as I can get. Second, it is the first Scratch Disk for Photoshop.
Photoshop does its own memory management and needs it's own swap space.

This setup runs WAY faster on this HD than on other 7200 rpm HD - even
with SATA. It looks like this HD is actually fast enough to use SATA.

That's why I paid for the fast HD. For me, the $116 was well worth it.
Your mileage may vary.

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Interesting Clyde what you did. Does putting the pagefile on a fast drive
makes a big difference, that is noticable? Do you think one could put the
page file on a flash memory device also, if they still make these? Was
thinking of getting a 10K RPM drive for my main drive but don't really want
to divide up all my stuff into multiple partitions. I enjoyed reading what
you did.



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> Brett Miller wrote:
>> I found a 70 Gig WD SATA HD for around $230. It had a 10k rpm,
>> seek time around 7ns. Data transfer was MAYBE 150 (?) Second.
>> I compaired this to a 200 GIG WD ATA HD for around 1/2 the price.
>> 7,500 RPM
>> Seek <15ms
>> XFER 130
>>
>>
>> I don't know why one would by a SATA. It was not significantly
>> faster, though the seek seed was twice as fast..
>>
>> I don't see any reason to buy one.
>>
>> Also, what is up with the 8meg cache? Is this some iron wall that
>> cannot be surpassed, or is there no reason to do better?
>> I would think that a min of 128megs up to 1 gig would be much better.
>>
>> Comments?
>>
>
> I have the WD 36.7 GB SATA HD that runs at 10K. It only does two things.
> One, it's where my Windows XP Pro pagefile is for as fast virtual memory
> as I can get. Second, it is the first Scratch Disk for Photoshop.
> Photoshop does its own memory management and needs it's own swap space.
>
> This setup runs WAY faster on this HD than on other 7200 rpm HD - even
> with SATA. It looks like this HD is actually fast enough to use SATA.
>
> That's why I paid for the fast HD. For me, the $116 was well worth it.
> Your mileage may vary.
>
> Clyde
 
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"Al Franz" <albert@nospam.netmation.com> wrote:

> Interesting Clyde what you did. Does putting the pagefile on a
> fast drive makes a big difference, that is noticable? Do you
> think one could put the page file on a flash memory device also,
> if they still make these?

There is an idea.

Maybe for a notebook computer.

Would a USB flash drive be fast enough to be worth consideration as a
pagefile drive or a RAM drive?
 
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John Doe, <jdoe@usenet.love.invalid>, the misanthropical, ineffectual
grandpa, and officer of the parish who controls the length of stay of
strangers in the village, hectored:

> "Al Franz" <albert@nospam.netmation.com> wrote:
>
>> Interesting Clyde what you did. Does putting the pagefile on a
>> fast drive makes a big difference, that is noticable? Do you
>> think one could put the page file on a flash memory device also,
>> if they still make these?
>
> There is an idea.
>
> Maybe for a notebook computer.
>
> Would a USB flash drive be fast enough to be worth consideration as a
> pagefile drive or a RAM drive?

Surely you mean USB2 or are you really as dumb a wise and beautiful woman as we thought you were
pretending to be?

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Al Franz wrote:
> Interesting Clyde what you did. Does putting the pagefile on a fast drive
> makes a big difference, that is noticable? Do you think one could put the
> page file on a flash memory device also, if they still make these? Was
> thinking of getting a 10K RPM drive for my main drive but don't really want
> to divide up all my stuff into multiple partitions. I enjoyed reading what
> you did.
>
>
>
> "Clyde" <clyde@world.comedy> wrote in message
> news:eLOdnUAhNKKYDE_fRVn-3g@comcast.com...
>
>>Brett Miller wrote:
>>
>>>I found a 70 Gig WD SATA HD for around $230. It had a 10k rpm,
>>>seek time around 7ns. Data transfer was MAYBE 150 (?) Second.
>>>I compaired this to a 200 GIG WD ATA HD for around 1/2 the price.
>>>7,500 RPM
>>>Seek <15ms
>>>XFER 130
>>>
>>>
>>>I don't know why one would by a SATA. It was not significantly
>>>faster, though the seek seed was twice as fast..
>>>
>>>I don't see any reason to buy one.
>>>
>>>Also, what is up with the 8meg cache? Is this some iron wall that
>>>cannot be surpassed, or is there no reason to do better?
>>>I would think that a min of 128megs up to 1 gig would be much better.
>>>
>>>Comments?
>>>
>>
>>I have the WD 36.7 GB SATA HD that runs at 10K. It only does two things.
>>One, it's where my Windows XP Pro pagefile is for as fast virtual memory
>>as I can get. Second, it is the first Scratch Disk for Photoshop.
>>Photoshop does its own memory management and needs it's own swap space.
>>
>>This setup runs WAY faster on this HD than on other 7200 rpm HD - even
>>with SATA. It looks like this HD is actually fast enough to use SATA.
>>
>>That's why I paid for the fast HD. For me, the $116 was well worth it.
>>Your mileage may vary.
>>
>>Clyde
>
>
>

The short answer - Yes. There is a noticeable speed increase by using
the SATA 10K for swapping. I didn't time it before, because I didn't
think it would make that much difference. (I also believe in real-world
speed differences. i.e. I had better notice it or it doesn't matter.)
Well, it makes more of a difference than I thought. I'm very happy with it.

Interestingly, it seems to make more of a difference with Photoshop's
swapping than XP's. Photoshop does it's own memory management and will
always create and use a swap file, no matter how much memory you have.
Photoshop runs MUCH quicker now. It doesn't seem like that would make
that much difference, but it does.

Then again, the older IBM Datastar 7200 rpm 60 GB drive that I was using
for pagefile and Photoshop stratch disk may be slower than I thought
too. It didn't seem so at the time, but now...

I do have my daughter's computer setup with the Pagefile on an external
Firewire drive. That is a pretty slow 13 GB drive, but it works fine.
She doesn't do much that pushes it, but it does work. So, this isn't a
great test for speed, but it does prove that XP doesn't mind an external
location for it's Pagefile.

Therefore, XP should be able to handle its Pagefile on USB flash memory.
From what I've read, those do vary a fair bit in speed. If anyone tries
this, let us know.

Of course, flash memory big enough for some work as a Photoshop stratch
disc may cost more than the WD 10K drive. That probably isn't too many
people here anyway.

Thanks,
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> Interesting Clyde what you did. Does putting the pagefile on a fast drive
> makes a big difference, that is noticable? Do you think one could put the
> page file on a flash memory device also, if they still make these? Was
> thinking of getting a 10K RPM drive for my main drive but don't really
want
> to divide up all my stuff into multiple partitions. I enjoyed reading
what
> you did.


If one has more than one hard drive, the pagefile should not be on the same
drove as the OS, makes a noticeable difference.

Also, most folkes have pagefiles that are too large.

See http://www.standards.com/index.html?PageFileUsageMonitor

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