So you don't believe the Bible?

Earlier, in Christian discussion threads, a few of you said you didn't believe in Jesus because you could not believe the Bible was factual. I found this video (of a sermon), which is really good and shows how the Bible is truth.

Watch it here:

http://www.winningwalk.org/ww/television.aspx

To see it, scroll to the bottom, go to the recent programs category, then select "The World's Objection to the Bible".

Really good points are made in this sermon.

I have to go with ABL on this one. I respect your beliefs though, Kid. You want to be Christian, thats cool.

Only the bible thumpers believe that the bible is true. Everyone else just has faith in it. Just because the bible has real life places in it does not mean that the events which supposedly took place there are true.

I took a mythology class in college and a whole section was devoted to the bible. Mythology. Right next to the other creation stories.

Now go read/watch The Da Vinci code and move on with your life. Dress like a pirate at the show.

Can someone explain to me, preferably someone Christian, why the parts of the Bible that have nothing to do with Christianity are so important to you?

Like I said above - all that stuff about Noah and Moses and David...it's completely irrelevant. They're stories full of allegory, symbols and figures that can be interpreted in many ways to teach many things - a lot of strife comes from bad interpretations of that part of the Bible.

I'm Christian myself, but our traditions are a little bit different (none of that Sunday-school hogwash) and this type of argument rarely happens. The New Testament (if you believe-duh) has very little, if any, contradictions and the message and teachings are exceedingly simple.

It's kind of depressing, really, the amount of wrongs and bad feeling that are generated by writings that have nothing (or nothing more than a historical background) to do with Christianity in the first place.

The Bible is the great mystery and to the secular world its just a book, if it were as simple as just picking it up and reading it to obtain salvation anyone could get there, but thats where the understanding of the Bible comes into play and without the understanding you don't receive the hidden things of the Word.

You can dedicate your life to reading the Bible and leave Jesus Christ out of the picture and never understand it, and die as blind as you were before you started reading it.

Jesus Christ is the key to understanding the Bible, people laugh, mock, call you names, think you're stupid, because you believe something God has chosen to reveal to you and others He has chosen, but not everyone is going to Heaven!

Peter denied Christ and was forgiven and Peter went to Heaven, while Judas Iscariot betrayed Christ fulfilling scriptures and went to hell, there are also those today thinking they have their first class seats to Heaven, but will be left behind.

Read your Bible! Like the Ragu spaghetti sauce commercial says, "Its in there!"

There are those today in Christianity making a fat living off of basically selling God to the world dressed in their 1000+ dollar suits driving their Cadilacs, Mercedes, Volvos and such, passing literally 1000s they could be helping on their way to their fancy new buildings and television broadcasting stations, to preach up their planned out sermons to line their pockets, and build bigger buildings.

Where were those fancy dressed preachers when we were witnessing to the hardcore bikers at motorcycling events, I didn't see the first ones there.

WHY?

Aren't bikers, whores, thieves, homeless, sick, hungry, laborers, farmers, carpenters, doctors, lawyers, homosexuals, lesbians, alcoholics, drug abusers, fishermen, etc. all in need of Gods Love?

Well thats who Jesus went to didn't He!

They've chosen the easy way thinking they'll get a golden ticket to heaven, or, they know exactly what they're doing and Judas has multiplied into today.

FOR ALL THOSE THAT HAVE READ TO THIS POINT, DO YOU HAVE THE UNDERSTANDING? WELL HERES THE DEAL! GET ON YOUR KNEES AND PRAY AND ASK GOD TO FORGIVE YOU FOR YOUR SINS AND ASK HIM TO LET JESUS COME INTO YOUR HEART, IF YOU ARE FOR REAL AND MEAN IT WITH NO DOUBTS WHAT SO EVER , GOD WILL HONOR YOUR PRAYER AND JESUS WILL COME INTO YOUR HEART, THEN PICK UP THE BIBLE AND BEGIN READING, AND YOUR EYES WILL BE OPENED AND YOU WILL UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE READING, BUT UNTIL YOU TAKE THAT STEP, YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. TAKE THE STEP! AND YOU'LL HAVE A WHOLE DIFFERENT ATTITUDE TO THIS SUBJECT, DON'T TAKE THE STEP AND STAY IN DARKNESS THE CHOICE IS YOURS, ITS JUST THAT SIMPLE!

For me, its a case of not not believing in Jesus, but rather, not believing in God[s], demi-Gods, etc..

I believe Jesus was a great teacher of philosophical ethics; a humanitarian in the purest sense, if you will.

Hey Man Hows it going? Just stating my usual as you should know me by now. Hope you're doing great! Ry

Loosely translated;Look at things through my eyes & you'll see what I see,for if you don't your doomed....I know this because its written down by dead men from an eariler time which is totally irrelevant to the present.

However I do like your spin on evangelists...

Peace out....

BLAHRG! Why do you insist on not separating the two parts of the Bible? Christianity follows the teachings of Christ and his teachings are all about love, humility and forgiveness. That's what makes it different from Judaism and other religions and that's what makes it so hard to follow. Loving God and your fellow men unconditionally is impossible, we're too spiritually shallow, but that is the only true goal of any Christian.

Christ was like the biggest Hippie liberal ever, and if our worldly laws followed his, our society would fall apart under the weight of it's own depravity.

Did anyone watch the video?

I have no idea what you're trying to achieve here, apart from to get people iratre at you and start some very heated (read flame) discussions. Asking people their opinion on the subject might have been a better approach. Canvassing regulars to see if they believe in God, or if they're religious even more so. But telling us to watch a video because, in your opinion it's proof that the bible is truth? That's frankly pathetic.

I respect anyone who has faith. My wife does. She goes to church every Sunday and believes in her religion. But she doesn't seek to ram it down my throat. Nor does she doorstep people. I resent anyone forcefeeding me their beliefs. Those people are called God-bothers over here, telling people their way is right and I should be doing this that and the other because it's written etc etc. Would you accept my telling you that the team I support is the best one, and that you're following the wrong one and you should convert because you're destined for a lifetime of solitude or whatever, if you don't? Say that in a pub and you'd get your lights punched out.

If I wanted to believe, I'd find out myself. I don't need someone telling me that because of this video. You believe, and that's great. Just don't tell me what to believe.

Beer volcano? 8O

...*immediately dons pirates clothes. The pirate is not impressed*...

yup.
when he started on about the writers of the bible being guided by the hand of almighty god I couldn't get this image out of my mind:



I don't think I'd want the hand of god in me...

I'm not shoving it down your throat. Heck, you didn't even have to read this thread. And no, I do not do "doorstepping". I just thought it was a good sermon (yes in my opinion).

Sure say whatever you want. It is good for us all to express our feeling on the topic sometimes. I will believe what I want, you believe what you want. I just feel it is important to know and accept God.

Where do you get your information? People have believed in God for much longer than a century ago. Sure some idiots tries to rob people of their money at church, which is disgusting.

Absolutely. But if you're a non-believer and go to church, or a church function,
they all look sad. You'll notice things look different from an outside perspective,
especially if you grew up on the inside. You'll also notice nearly all very religious
people who lose faith in religion never go back.

I must tell you that I admire your persistence and standing up for what you believe in, sort of rare these days. I'm atheist to the bone though.

How so?

If you are nothing more than a slightly abnormal collection of atoms, existing for the briefest of moments before falling apart, back into the black void from whence you came and if that's all there is in the entire, infinite universe...what purpose can there be?

Now does it say Cristianity was started then?... No it does not...It says evangelical movement. Question is do You know the difference?

No Chit....The Jews were worshiping the God of Abraham twice as long as Christianity has been....Can't wait to see the answer to this one 8)

Yes I believe I've found yet another wall to talk to....

Global purpose can't. The only thing that makes sense in the absence of, not God necessarily, but something after death, is taking maximum advantage of your short time here to experience the most fun you can.

And even then...

That is absolutely ridiculous. Insane. Baseless. Tisk, tisk, Snorky, you're much
smarter than that!

So, what is your purpose in life? And try to place this in a global context, so let's look beyond the "get filthy rich", "get laid by a virgin everyday" and that sort of thing.

In my personal opinion this is more a cultural issue (tribal even) than a religious/spiritual one, Jef, although religion is definitely used as the justification for the behavior.

I know it is not just strictly religious people, but I know a lot of very religious people that are very good followers, in general.

I don't care what people believe in, but I'd really like to see them put some thought into their beliefs, then have some conviction for them.

"Gays are bad / evil / sinners" is not a good statement. How about "I've put some thought into the matter, and I really can't understand why these people behave the way they do. It all just doesn't seem right to me." Almost the same thing, but it isn't a pre-rehearsed response that came from your church's beliefs... Effort was applied and an opinion was formed. Same opinion, but now it's yours. Pretty simple, really...

That was just one example, and not my feelings, don't everyone freak out about it....

Yes they do.

Waking up. Seriously. Whether a workday, weekend, holiday, or whatever,
you never really are sure what the day may bring. I like that, and find it exciting.

Without drugs, although they can help.

I feel no true sense of purpose other than taking care of the family. I find that
to be extremely liberating, allowing me to enjoy things as they are, not as some
God, or church would have me think of them. I feel lucky to have reached that point.
Too many it seems can't.

Jesus may be some people's sheppard, but a sheppard's only job is to keep
the flock safe until he slaughters them.