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Anonymous
February 25, 2005 5:32:58 PM

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Hi,

Someone in a non-flight sim email list posted a link to a cute little
RC (Radio Control) simulator. The entire program is less than 6 MB!
:-)

http://n.ethz.ch/student/mmoeller/fms/index_e.html

Even for XP users, I would recommend the v2.0 Beta 7 rather than the
v2.0 Alpha 8.5, as I couldn't get that version to work very well at
all.

Also, for those of us used to global scenery, it's not too difficult
to "fly off the end of the earth" in this sim, so beware! :-)

I had to play around with the controller assignments and calibration a
bit, but I actually got it working with both my joystick and yoke (it
seems to like the combination of joystick for pitch and roll, and the
throttle on my CH USB yoke).

If you choose the "Chase Camera" view, it's a bit easier to see, and
therefore control. The really wonderful thing is that even on my
machine, I'm getting frame rates of 90 FPS or so! :-)

Have fun!

- --
Melissa

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Anonymous
February 26, 2005 3:02:42 AM

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On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 14:32:58 -0800, Melissa wrote:

> Someone in a non-flight sim email list posted a link to a cute little
> RC (Radio Control) simulator. The entire program is less than 6 MB!

I have a friend who's working on what will undoubtedly be a unique offering
in FS Addons...

He's building a "RC Flying Club" scenery, complete with RC a/c, AI
controlled of course... ;) 

Imagine that, modeling modelers flying model aircraft in a
flightsimulator...

Bill
February 26, 2005 1:12:28 PM

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Bill Leaming wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 14:32:58 -0800, Melissa wrote:
>
>> Someone in a non-flight sim email list posted a link to a cute little
>> RC (Radio Control) simulator. The entire program is less than 6 MB!
>
> I have a friend who's working on what will undoubtedly be a unique
> offering in FS Addons...
>
> He's building a "RC Flying Club" scenery, complete with RC a/c, AI
> controlled of course... ;) 
>
> Imagine that, modeling modelers flying model aircraft in a
> flightsimulator...
>
> Bill

Flight sims for modellers are actually a very good idea (and not a
particularly new one either). I fly model helicopters and when you consider
that my relatively cheap and cheerful helicopter (Raptor 30v2) is worth
around £600, it's VERY useful to be able to practise manoeuvres on the PC
before risking the model! What makes it especially "realistic" is that I can
connect the radio control unit to the PC and "fly" the computer model using
the same box I use for the real thing. I use something called "Realflight
G2", but there is an even more impressive one out now called "Reflex". The
downside is that owing to the relatively limited market (at least I imagine
that's the reason), these simulators tend to cost £100 or more (that cost is
easily saved when you consider that a crash leading to a new set of rotor
blades etc can easily set you back £50 or more). Fortunately I got mine
second hand off ebay for a lot less!

Tim
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Anonymous
February 26, 2005 3:01:52 PM

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"Bill Leaming" wrote:

> I have a friend who's working on what will undoubtedly be a unique
> offering
> in FS Addons...
>
> He's building a "RC Flying Club" scenery, complete with RC a/c, AI
> controlled of course... ;) 

That sounds interesting, is there any version available yet?

> Imagine that, modeling modelers flying model aircraft in a
> flightsimulator...

I would rather marry a model in real life, instead of fly one in a sim ;-)

Jan
Anonymous
February 26, 2005 3:03:55 PM

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"Melissa" <willkayakforfoodREMOVE_THIS@gmx.net> wrote in message
news:st6vzu6gkpcs$.dlg@uni-berlin.de...
> Someone in a non-flight sim email list posted a link to a cute little
> RC (Radio Control) simulator. The entire program is less than 6 MB!
> :-)
>
> http://n.ethz.ch/student/mmoeller/fms/index_e.html
>

Another nice little RC flight sim is available here (free)

http://manuelguillen.tripod.com/pcair2/air.htm

ATB
Anonymous
February 26, 2005 9:42:57 PM

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On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 10:12:28 GMT, Tim wrote:

> Bill Leaming wrote:
>> I have a friend who's working on what will undoubtedly be a unique
>> offering in FS Addons...
>>
>> He's building a "RC Flying Club" scenery, complete with RC a/c, AI
>> controlled of course... ;) 
>>
>> Imagine that, modeling modelers flying model aircraft in a
>> flightsimulator...
> Flight sims for modellers are actually a very good idea (and not a
> particularly new one either).

Er, you seem to have missed my point. He's creating a SCENERY for FS9 that
will be an "active RC flying field," complete with miniature aircraft,
people and AI flightplans...

Bill
Anonymous
February 26, 2005 11:36:33 PM

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On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 12:01:52 +0100, Jan Berg wrote:

> "Bill Leaming" wrote:
>> He's building a "RC Flying Club" scenery, complete with RC a/c, AI
>> controlled of course... ;) 
>
> That sounds interesting, is there any version available yet?

Not yet. He's still working on the "flight dynamics" for the scale model,
aircraft models. As you can well imagine, it's quite difficult to get the
1/24th scale a/c to fly realistically in the sim. ;) 

Bill
Anonymous
March 1, 2005 5:05:27 PM

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"Bill Leaming" <n4gix@comcast.net> wrote in message news:11s98xric6dwk.j384688g48x$.dlg@40tude.net...
> On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 12:01:52 +0100, Jan Berg wrote:
>
> > "Bill Leaming" wrote:
> >> He's building a "RC Flying Club" scenery, complete with RC a/c, AI
> >> controlled of course... ;) 
> >
> > That sounds interesting, is there any version available yet?
>
> Not yet. He's still working on the "flight dynamics" for the scale model,
> aircraft models. As you can well imagine, it's quite difficult to get the
> 1/24th scale a/c to fly realistically in the sim. ;) 

Hi Tim & Bill... Many of you know I also am a RC pilot (and an ex-real pilot). As I also use RealFlight G2 and also fly a Raptor v30 (and other RC fixed wing crafts). I am also a long time MS FS user since v2.

Now Bill, don't underestimate the high quality of these current RC flight simulators. For starters, the graphics are gorgeous! I've posted the screen shots of RealFlight G2 (RF) here before in the past. Trees actually look like trees; rocks, flowers, barns, telephone poles, haystacks, people, etc. are all photo like quality. It's night and day between FS9 and RF. The only graphic area IMHO that FS9 beats RF are for water, mountains, and weather effects.

Not only are most of the graphics far more impressive than FS9, but it also captures the realism of flight far better than FS9 does. RF itself also allows you to modify and create your own crafts and landscapes. And within minutes you can copy a RC model and make it into full size. And it even flies like a real craft with very few tweaks here and there.

RF sports about the same views as FS9, like tower (RC pilot view), chase plane, and cockpit views. And the downside for us FS9 users flying something like RF falls short in two big areas.

1) The cockpit view doesn't show the inside of the craft. Although it does sport a panel that displays airspeed, prop RPMs, heading, etc. But that is all you got. No nice looking gauges or anything.

2) RF G2 only sports one square mile of detailed landscape. After that, you're off the end of the world. Much like Melissa sees with FSM (Hi Melissa!). Now RealFlight G3 has been released for a month or two now. And this newer version sports 5000 square miles of landscape. Although I haven't played with this one yet.

Now Bill... I posted here about 7 months ago how to setup FS9 to fly a Bell206 like a RC helicopter. Basically it was speeding up FS9's real time to about 4 to 6 times faster. Although in my example, things like climbing and dropping was pretty badly off realism. But it was good enough to show FS9 users what it was like to hover a RC heli without buying RF or a RC.

If anybody is interested, I'll upload those RF shots up again if someone wants to look at them (I'm on my laptop right now that only runs up to FS98). Although my current flight simulator computer has a geforce video card in it (64MB). But I have to be honest with you Bill, that old SiS315 video card in my other machine displays graphics far better. And that one only has 32MB of RAM. The biggest difference is that SiS doesn't slow down cranking the lighting all the way up.

Bill

P.S. boB, is this the thread you were referring to about talk about my RC controller?
Anonymous
March 1, 2005 5:05:28 PM

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On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 14:05:27 GMT, BillW50 wrote:

> Now Bill... I posted here about 7 months ago how to setup FS9 to fly a Bell206 like a RC helicopter.

<sigh> Maybe my English isn't as good as I've always believed it to be,
but...

My friend is NOT building an RC Simulator.

He is NOT creating models for the simpilot to fly.

He IS creating a dynamic scenery much like the "roller coaster" that you
may find in FS9 at various locations, or a ferris wheel, or a moving
hovercraft in the Columbia River Gorge...

It is a simulated "RC Flying Club" scenery, where there are "simulated
people flying miniature aircraft" as "dynamic scenery" within the
flightsimulator world.

If you park the defalut C172 next to his "scale model," the "scale model"
will be smaller than the nose wheel on the C172... ;) 

Bill
Anonymous
March 1, 2005 7:43:04 PM

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I expect he really understood you Billy, we all did. It's just that his
enthusiasm for the RC has gripped him by the throat, and wht not?
He has got me interested now, although as usual I dare say I will need some
sort of brain food injection before I can get to grips with something new.

Quilljar
Anonymous
March 1, 2005 9:54:36 PM

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On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 16:43:04 -0000, Quilljar wrote:

> I expect he really understood you Billy, we all did.

Oh, OK then. I had a nightmare last night that I'd suddenly begun writing
in Vulcan (or possibly Romulan) instead of English... ;) 

Bill
March 1, 2005 10:13:23 PM

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Bill Leaming wrote:
> Oh, OK then. I had a nightmare last night that I'd suddenly begun
> writing in Vulcan (or possibly Romulan) instead of English... ;) 
>


Yeah Bill, everything was cystal clear........

BTW - were your models going to be nitro or electirc??

d:->))
March 2, 2005 12:07:54 AM

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BillW50 wrote:

> "Bill Leaming" <n4gix@comcast.net> wrote in message news:11s98xric6dwk.j384688g48x$.dlg@40tude.net...
>
>>On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 12:01:52 +0100, Jan Berg wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Bill Leaming" wrote:
>>>
>>>>He's building a "RC Flying Club" scenery, complete with RC a/c, AI
>>>>controlled of course... ;) 
>>>
>>>That sounds interesting, is there any version available yet?
>>
>>Not yet. He's still working on the "flight dynamics" for the scale model,
>>aircraft models. As you can well imagine, it's quite difficult to get the
>>1/24th scale a/c to fly realistically in the sim. ;) 
>
>
> Hi Tim & Bill... Many of you know I also am a RC pilot (and an ex-real pilot). As I also use RealFlight G2 and also fly a Raptor v30 (and other RC fixed wing crafts). I am also a long time MS FS user since v2.
>
> Now Bill, don't underestimate the high quality of these current RC flight simulators. For starters, the graphics are gorgeous! I've posted the screen shots of RealFlight G2 (RF) here before in the past. Trees actually look like trees; rocks, flowers, barns, telephone poles, haystacks, people, etc. are all photo like quality. It's night and day between FS9 and RF. The only graphic area IMHO that FS9 beats RF are for water, mountains, and weather effects.
>
>
> Bill
>
> P.S. boB, is this the thread you were referring to about talk about my RC controller?
>


:)  I was lucky to remember that there WAS a thread about RC
aircraft/controls. Now you want me to remember what was talked about?????

:) 
:) 


--

boB

U.S. Army Aviation (retired)
Central Texas - 5NM West of Gray Army Airfield (KGRK)
Anonymous
March 2, 2005 9:33:03 PM

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"Bill Leaming" <n4gix@comcast.net> wrote in message news:18rj1wacmvlr$.3ngz19gkdzqr.dlg@40tude.net...
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 09:12:17 -0500

> On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 14:05:27 GMT, BillW50 wrote:
>
> > Now Bill... I posted here about 7 months ago how to setup FS9 to fly a Bell206 like a RC helicopter.
>
> <sigh> Maybe my English isn't as good as I've always believed it to be,
> but...
>
> My friend is NOT building an RC Simulator.
>
> He is NOT creating models for the simpilot to fly.

Hi Bill... I gotcha! I believe it was Tim's first post that had thrown me off track here.

> He IS creating a dynamic scenery much like the "roller coaster" that you
> may find in FS9 at various locations, or a ferris wheel, or a moving
> hovercraft in the Columbia River Gorge...
>
> It is a simulated "RC Flying Club" scenery, where there are "simulated
> people flying miniature aircraft" as "dynamic scenery" within the
> flightsimulator world.

That would be something I would be interested in seeing for sure. Anybody ever fly above a RC field before? I did back in the 70's. And they sure looked like full size aircrafts from a few thousand feet up. Hmm... now that I think about it, I wonder if there has been a case where a cockpit pilot ever confused an RC plane for a full size one?

> If you park the defalut C172 next to his "scale model," the "scale model"
> will be smaller than the nose wheel on the C172... ;) 

You bet! I taken a snapshot of a full size Corsair next to a RC model one at the following URL:

http://briefcase.yahoo.com/wolffsoft@sbcglobal.kom

First change kom to net then go to the URL. Then select the sim folder and then open that corsair_small.gif image. This was done under RealFlight G2 and not under FS9. Although I would like to see the reverse for sure.

I have four mpg's there too. These are bad recordings (and the audio went to heck too, but I'm learning) of RealFlight G2 using a video camera to record the computer's monitor. I've been searching for about two years on the web to show you guys what the realism looks like under RealFlight (RF). The only thing I found was RealFlight's poor MOVs that doesn't show it well at all. So I finally got around and I recorded my own.

That "03_spacewalker_tree.mpg" is a good demonstration in how RF handles the realism of a minor collision with an object when I snagged a tree branch briefly. And I wished MSFS acted this way. Well maybe in FS10, eh?

I don't know what the name of this maneuver is called for "01_spacewalker_cool.mpg". But it is easy to do. Basically all you do is throw the stick in left or right and the rudder in the opposite direction. Although you do need a plane with lots of rudder action. Anybody knows what this maneuver is called?

It sure was hard to fly with a camera in front of the monitor. Plus yesterday when I created 15 MPG's, my blood sugar dropped unexpectedly. So my piloting skills were not my usual skills.

Btw, I would like to hear criticisms from other FS users what they think of RealFlight G2 as well. I'm sure many experts here will find things that I haven't noticed yet.

Bill
Anonymous
March 3, 2005 3:34:07 AM

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On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 18:33:03 GMT, BillW50 wrote:

> Hi Bill... I gotcha! I believe it was Tim's first post that had thrown me off track here.

Thanks for sharing the videos. Neat! ;) 

Bill
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