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November 8, 2005 7:25:03 PM

How much longer till we get a nice selection of SATA dvd burners? another few months? or longer?

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March 1, 2006 12:48:03 PM

Was gonna ask this same question before I ran into this post. I haven't been traversing these forums lately, and didn't find a whole lot after doing a little searching - anyone know of anything on this? Be nice to build an all-SATA machine.
March 10, 2006 5:26:55 PM

Bump - anyone know any information on this... on a timeframe here to where I'm looking to sell my current build and build a new machine, and would like to go all-SATA with new build.
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March 10, 2006 6:10:16 PM

There's only 1 at newegg..
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...
And it looks like everyone says it sucks.

But really, there's no benefit from going from IDE to SATA for burners... The only reason to do so would be convenience. I wouldn't hold your breath for them to come out.
March 10, 2006 6:15:31 PM

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But really, there's no benefit from going from IDE to SATA for burners... The only reason to do so would be convenience.


Thats lame, I would rather see things move forward and get away from this legacy crap. IDE crap filling up my bus and cables crowding my case. Are you still using a FDD?
March 10, 2006 6:18:49 PM

I have one, but I don't think its been used in... a year maybe 2... hmm..

Why don't you just buy a IDE to SATA adapter?
March 10, 2006 6:40:20 PM

I would love to have an all SATA system just so i can get rid of all those wide and rounded IDE cables
March 13, 2006 8:39:59 PM

Hmm... that's not a bad idea at all. Can anyone vouch for these gadgets from first-hand experience?
March 13, 2006 8:45:20 PM

There's also this one from Newegg... maybe I won't wait for a SATA DVD Burner for next build:

Click me.

Reviews say that they worked with their DVD burners fine (except for that LiteOn review)... wonder if the PC would be able to install windows from it fine without running into odd issues.
March 18, 2006 9:09:01 AM

I read on TechReport that Intel's next southbridge won't have any IDE or floppy connectors on it at all, so when that happens, I think we'll see a dramatic increase i nthe number of SATA optical drives that become available. I think it's due out within this year, if I remeber my reading correctly.
March 21, 2006 4:03:44 PM

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I read on TechReport that Intel's next southbridge won't have any IDE or floppy connectors on it at all, so when that happens, I think we'll see a dramatic increase i nthe number of SATA optical drives that become available. I think it's due out within this year, if I remeber my reading correctly.


Sounds about right, I remember reading something like that as well.

If you do get an adapter just make sure it's IDE to SATA and not the other way around! :wink:
March 21, 2006 10:14:08 PM

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If you do get an adapter just make sure it's IDE to SATA and not the other way around! :wink:


Is there a difference??? :p 
Mebbe I should get stock in the adapter business...
March 24, 2006 4:00:38 PM

While I personally can't say if there is a difference but I've noticed some of the adapters say IDE to SATA and others say SATA to IDE.
May 13, 2006 7:55:47 PM

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How much longer till we get a nice selection of SATA dvd burners? another few months? or longer?


I won't be happy till I can run four opticals and four GPUs in SATA OctaSLIFire. Imagine simultaneously playing Oblivion with Quake4's weaponry while driving a pimped rig from San Andreas and a porno flick in drive 4. The power company would pwn you. Your PC's heat signature would be easily visible from outer space and you'd nead twin PCP&C 1KW power supplies.
August 27, 2006 8:57:58 PM

ahha well i was just looking at some of my old posts to see if they got any responses and looks like this one did, i haven't been on as much, but i just noticed actually on NEWEGG there is a few to choose from on newegg (3)

and the plextor has some nice reviews.

I think i might go with that Adaptor for my next rig. I Don't see why it wouldn't work good.
a b G Storage
August 27, 2006 9:59:50 PM

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is there a technical reason we haven't seen more SATA optical drives ?

Many reasons could be behind this, but I guess there are no "technical" ones. If plextor has a working drive (and for some time I think), there is no reason why others could not?

I think it might be more of an economic issue, how much costs a SATA interface compared to an IDE one (for manufacturers)? Moreover, beside the cabling factor, there is no real benefit of switching to SATA for such drives.
August 27, 2006 10:28:50 PM

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Are you still using a FDD?


Yes.
Synergy6
August 27, 2006 10:34:05 PM

Check this artical out.

http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/showdoc.aspx?i=2770...

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Unfortunately, as BenQ tells us, the same desire to transition to SATA doesn’t exist with the Tier 1 OEMs that are building systems using these optical drives. Apparently there are still a number of compatibility issues with the default Windows driver and many SATA optical drives, which has made the big OEMs wary of moving away from tried and true PATA drives. With very little OEM pressure to transition to SATA optical drives, manufacturers like BenQ have no reason to push for a quicker move to SATA.
August 27, 2006 10:57:28 PM

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is there a technical reason we haven't seen more SATA optical drives ?

Many reasons could be behind this, but I guess there are no "technical" ones. If plextor has a working drive (and for some time I think), there is no reason why others could not?

From what I undestand the Plextor solution was simple...take a IDE-to-SATA converter, solder it onto the back of their existing products and extend the case a little farther. I have one of the drives in question and it is longer than my other optical drives, but I haven't yet decided to rip it apart to find out for sure.

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I think it might be more of an economic issue, how much costs a SATA interface compared to an IDE one (for manufacturers)?


Given the difference in the amount of material (less pins, smaller connectors), and the difference in design (no more master\slave\CS), I can't see how it would cost more.

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Moreover, beside the cabling factor, there is no real benefit of switching to SATA for such drives.


Making people (like me) happy? That would seem to be a great benefit. I am thinking of buying a decent sound card, but I won't until they come out in PCI-e, I am not going to buy another optical drive until they go SATA (barring emergency need). The new technologies are here, and there are many people who want them and are even willing to pay a little extra for them. If the companies don't want to take advantage of that...
August 27, 2006 11:04:25 PM

I think the problem is that people like us that build our own systems represent a small part of computer users. When it comes to development dollars I belive the big companies look to satisfy the needs of dell and other large manufactures. I'm sure 90% of the people out there buy a macine from best buy or compusa and could care less about the dvd burner interface.
August 27, 2006 11:11:19 PM

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Given the difference in the amount of material (less pins, smaller connectors), and the difference in design (no more master\slave\CS), I can't see how it would cost more.


Ever heard of economies of scale? SATA may be all the rage, but there's still a hell of a lot of IDE cables being pumped out. Also, they've been around for much longer, so the manufacturers have had time to cut the costs right down to the line.
Synergy6
August 29, 2006 8:18:33 AM

that will only mean one thing more cables inside a case :lol: 
August 29, 2006 8:22:37 AM

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I have one, but I don't think its been used in... a year maybe 2... hmm..

Why don't you just buy a IDE to SATA adapter?


that will only mean one thing more cables inside a case :lol: 
September 11, 2006 5:08:51 AM

lol
Google + "sata" + "dvd" =
http://www.tomshardware.com/2004/07/09/msi/index.html

I like the up-beat language:
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In addition to the MSI drive we tested, Plextor's PX712-SA is also equipped with a SATA interface. Otherwise we have heard of no concrete plans or announcements. In this context, MSI's effort is a laudable one, as we've felt that an optical drive with an SATA interface has been overdue for months.
From a realistic standpoint, the manufacturers have left this market gap unfilled for far too long. That's because users interested in technology are generally happy to spend a few extra bucks for new (and sensible) innovations. For our purposes, an SATA DVD drive would have yielded modest yet worthwhile sales figures back at the start of the year. Too late now, though: MSI is setting the pace.


what pace?
that was 2 years ago.
where's my SATA DVD burners?
January 6, 2007 9:57:55 PM

Hello,

there are a few SATA DVD burners:

- Lite-On SH-16A7S
- Samsung SH-S183L
- Samsung SH-W163
- Plextor PX-760SA
- Plextor PX-755SA
... and some older Plextor's SATA DVD writers.

Also, there are SATA combo drives, DVD-ROMs and Blu-ray drives.

More info:
http://sataoptical.com/
January 19, 2007 4:50:13 AM

I have the SATA Plextor 755sa. it's great I have had zero problems with it. My system recognizes it as a regular cd rom and it boots up off of it, I installed windows xp from cd on it as well.

As for why the market isn't moving faster there just isn't any reason to. I mean you have the companies that make them in a cut throat market. Drives selling for 30 dollars on average for full features quality drives that burn at 16x and its been like that for at least a few years now. They have reached a ceiling and the market is saturated.

I think only within the last year or so has SATA really gotten to be easy to use. I mean plextor is really the only company that went out on a limb and you seen what kind of reviews they got. Limited motherboard compatibility etc. But as the market matures and the industry gets more comfortable. It will happen.

I am very happy with my SATA dvd burner. I have officially barred IDE from my system and I won't be looking back. I certainly don't miss it. The origami folding days of the cable is long gone for me.

Also the improvments in cabling has helped. I seen my first locking sata cables with my new nforce 680i motherboard, it has little tension clips that you have to press to pull out the sata cable. Pretty neat.

I hope the market moves faster. I know it would be great to have more choices. But until Intel or some other industry standard setting company pulls support for IDE, than it will be what comes first the checking or the egg type of situation.

Also I remember not that long ago only maybe 2 years ago in order to get windows xp to even see a drive that was SATA was to use the F6 button to load a special driver. Now what do you do for your cd drive that doesn't even have windows booted yet?

But like i said, plextor has now done it, if you have a modern motherboard say within the last year, you should be ok to convert completely to SATA with no problems.
January 20, 2007 1:21:11 PM

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Hello,

there are a few SATA DVD burners:

- Lite-On SH-16A7S
- Samsung SH-S183L
- Samsung SH-W163
- Plextor PX-760SA
- Plextor PX-755SA
... and some older Plextor's SATA DVD writers.

Also, there are SATA combo drives, DVD-ROMs and Blu-ray drives.

More info:
http://sataoptical.com/


Yeah, and some of these are darn cheap, a few under $40.

~Ibrahim~
a b G Storage
January 20, 2007 2:08:32 PM

Oddly enough, I just opened up an HP a1640n and it lacked an IDE connection. It's Lightscribe burner was SATA.
January 20, 2007 3:06:27 PM

i surprised win95 even recognize what sata is... how did you manage to do that? Legacy support doesn't go that far back... :lol:  ok, on a more serious note, is there a silver dvd burner? i need a silver sata drive to match my case.
a b G Storage
January 20, 2007 3:10:16 PM

Picked up a Samsung SH-S183L at BestBuy for about $80, I think, last month while I was home on vacation gathering parts for a new build.

Boots, installs Windows, burn DL disks. No problems so far.
January 20, 2007 4:06:41 PM

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Picked up a Samsung SH-S183L at BestBuy for about $80, I think, last month while I was home on vacation gathering parts for a new build.

Boots, installs Windows, burn DL disks. No problems so far.


Nice sig, what are you over clocking at?
January 20, 2007 4:59:52 PM

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i surprised win95 even recognize what sata is... how did you manage to do that? Legacy support doesn't go that far back...
Most BIOS come with a default config that presents the SATA ports to the OS as if it were PATA ports.
On other words: All the OS sees is "primary master/slave", "secondary master/slave", "tertiary master/slave", and so on...
If you needed to load special drivers during OS install its because your BIOS doesn't support this feature. (Or you turned it off)
February 23, 2014 2:07:18 PM

The future is here. SATA burners are more common now!
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