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August 13, 2012 3:41:39 PM

this wont be of much help against piracy. anyone whos serious about pirating music would find a way, even if it takes them a bit longer. or they would just use another search engine.

I fear this will be of more danger to forums that allow users to easily make topics. Like Ultimate-Guitar. people posts tons of guitar covers there every day. are they gonna block the most used guitar website that uses google adsense and sells apps on google play?
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August 13, 2012 3:45:25 PM

*sorry for DP.

also, I highly doubt they would make it harder to search the holy grail of piracy, Youtube.
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August 13, 2012 4:01:53 PM

When people search for piracy they usually do so on specific sites anyways so this won't change anything.
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August 13, 2012 4:17:20 PM

It should help deter "mainstream pirates" though.

Hardcore pirates don't even use Google to find their stuff. It's the casual, mainstream people who are generally ignorant and lazy to begin with who will be most affected by semi-filtered Google results.
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August 13, 2012 4:19:09 PM

I am sure piracy is coming to an end because of this.

On the other hand, the advertisement linked words in these articles are ridiculously annoying.
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August 13, 2012 4:23:18 PM

The real hilarity is the potential this has for abuse. 'Legitimate' take down notices go out all the time that later turn out to be fraudulent, even one that come from companies like BMG. Look at the controversy surrounding that Megaupload video a year or two back. The record label had zero grounds, but youtube took it down as it was a 'legitimate' takedown notice. and had to put it right back up again when it turned out to not be 'legitimate' at all.
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August 13, 2012 4:26:35 PM

I agree with wiini on this. Mostpeople who pirate already have thier group of sites they use and this will not really prevent it from happening. I can see it helping prevent a casual user from starting down that road though.

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August 13, 2012 4:28:54 PM

lol is Youtube included in this demoting?

And whoever Googles to find pirated stuff will likely put in "torrent", "cracked" or whatever in their searches - which the legit sites don't have and so they won't show up in the top results anyway.
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August 13, 2012 4:39:54 PM

Will likely do some good vs the casual pirate but it wont change anything with the "established" pirates, they use other tools than Google.

This is very general but this is how i see it:
Scene = Private FTP's
Normal Pirates = Invite only FTP + Invite only Torrent and in some cases invite only DC and irc channels.
Casual Pirates = Open known torrent sites and goggling.

mrmaia: Good point - Google being fair and demote their own Youtube each time they take down a vid from their site, its a corp - Its all about the money and there is the answer!
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August 13, 2012 4:45:35 PM

"The ranking will be based on the number of valid copyright removal notices Google receives for any given website"

Guess Youtube will be at the bottom of the list. They wouldn't give themselves special consideration would they?
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August 13, 2012 4:53:24 PM

What the industry fails to realize is that all this accomplishes is pushing people to other search engines that they don't have control over rather than the one they do. People don't -have- to use Google search. You're plugging up one hole in a ship full of holes.
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August 13, 2012 4:55:40 PM

Seeing 50 cent on mountains of dollars makes me cry when i know there are ppl out there pirating stuff .. not to mention the ridiculous luxury of hollywood ... what i wanted to say is that this kind of actions only protect the very rich.
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August 13, 2012 5:21:38 PM

Not to sound condescending..but who uses Google as a serious source to find scene release software?
The net result will be next to none in help stopping it. Anyone that pirates enough for it to be a problem don't 'google' for a link.
The most it will do is stop the grandma's looking for willy nelson songs, and looking for a full version of Desktop Buddy to install so they can see all the animations he has.
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August 13, 2012 5:31:47 PM

Bad move by Google. They're slowly caving into the pressure I see. Not all torrents are pirated software. A good deal of Open Source software is distributed via torrent, for instance.

For all the pirates out there, once all the torrent sites are eventually taken down, Copyright VS Piracy: Copyright loses, pirates win.
https://rt.com/usa/news/internet-war-new-tribler-941/
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August 13, 2012 5:38:39 PM

Ah.. search engines. Now they will deviate our eyes from the things they do not want us to see. Do I hear the foundations of the internet dying? Is that just me?

Bad move, Google
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August 13, 2012 5:55:17 PM

So they are demoting content based on removal requests? That is ridiculous. If I run a website what's to stop me from filing a bunch of removal requests against my main competitors to lower their search rankings? The potential for abuse here is high. Now if they only downranked confirmed cases of copyright abuse where the offender admitted guilt or lost the case in court, then this would make sense.
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August 13, 2012 6:05:07 PM

They might want to get rid of junky websites that come up in search results, someday...
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August 13, 2012 6:24:59 PM

gm0n3ySo they are demoting content based on removal requests? That is ridiculous. If I run a website what's to stop me from filing a bunch of removal requests against my main competitors to lower their search rankings? The potential for abuse here is high. Now if they only downranked confirmed cases of copyright abuse where the offender admitted guilt or lost the case in court, then this would make sense.


"That said, Google won't remove any pages from search results unless the company receives a valid copyright removal notice from the rights owner."
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August 13, 2012 6:32:04 PM

Got to say, i'm starting to not like google, But what other search providers are there? Anyone using another one that is better then google?
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August 13, 2012 6:32:22 PM

So people are going to use Yahoo or some other search engine. nothing really big other than seeing google's search requests dip a bit.

But, this looks like it could hurt legit websites if they were at one point in time out of complance with a take down request. I guess we will see how this plays out.

Even if google and the other search engines shut down tomorrow, it wouldn't kill piracy. Hurt it? yes. Kill it? nope.
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Anonymous
August 13, 2012 6:49:24 PM

This has always been backwards, and it's amazing that people in 'power' keep thinking that this will work.
Ideally, the pirated results should be the top listings - that way the FBI can shut these sites down a whole lot quicker rather than having to jump to page 1.5 million in the search results. The problem with piracy is the original people making the content illegally available - the original uploaders. Without actually attacking or prosecuting them, the content keeps being made available. By going after the endpoint distributor, the sources are still completely untouched, able to change mediums, change sites, change methods to continue what they have always been doing. It's unbelievable that nobody else grasps this concept. So google changes their search results, people will simply move to Yahoo's search, excite, iRC, torrent sites, private message boards, newsgroups, MSN, dropbox, etc etc etc, it's ineffective, and proven to fail before they even implement it.
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August 13, 2012 7:05:30 PM

Sooner or later, it will become business practice for businesses to use the take-down system to silence their competitors. I wonder if Yahoo (or someone else) will start to make a comeback?
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August 13, 2012 7:09:29 PM

Quote:
Demoting search results – effectively telling the searcher that these are not the websites you’re looking for – based on accusations alone gives copyright owners one more bit of control over what we see, hear, and read."

Thank you, EFF, for the seamless integration of a Star Wars reference.

I'm surprised Google is even taking a stance on this. Though they've been in legal trouble via YouTube, there's no reason they should even be involved in this copyright mess. It will end up maintaining their advertising base, but will ultimately hurt their consumer base.
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August 13, 2012 7:27:17 PM

Well, it seems like a reasonable effort, but I fear that the anti-piracy organizations, or competing companies will find a way to abuse this.
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August 13, 2012 7:34:24 PM

if the mpaa says you are doing something right, you are doing something very wrong.
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August 13, 2012 7:42:44 PM

This will probably also place many non-piracy related sites, lower on the list, reducing the quality of the search engine in general.
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Anonymous
August 13, 2012 7:51:37 PM

Haha...so basically Google is gonna give us a new excuse why their paid advertisers (like Hulu and Spotify) are on top of the search list. We need to stop supporting them with our searches.

Time to find a new search engine. I better google that!
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August 13, 2012 7:52:36 PM

Like this'll stop anyone... Heck, I know a guy who's 11 and is completely familiar with TPB. Yet again, anti-piracy efforts that fail to put a dent in piracy.
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August 13, 2012 8:06:39 PM

so if I'm looking for piracy on google I just skip to the last page?
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August 13, 2012 8:14:59 PM

Not going to help, but I bet Google knows this. This will just appease the idiots who keep on nagging them.
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August 13, 2012 8:18:31 PM

who googles for torrents when there is isohunt torrentz and TPB
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August 13, 2012 8:40:53 PM

They have pirate only search engines. They search many pirate sites.... much better than searching google for this stuff.
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August 13, 2012 8:46:20 PM

The internet gets a little more fucked every day huh?
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August 14, 2012 2:41:49 AM

Clear conflict of interest here - guarantee Google won't stop promoting youtube results even though youtube would easily violate this policy. Google are promoting their own business under the guise of copyright
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August 14, 2012 4:56:09 AM

well it is really easy when using filetype:torrent in the search, gets rid of all that pesky non-torrent results
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August 14, 2012 8:26:37 AM

leongradoThe internet gets a little more fucked every day huh?


Yeah all because some rich people want to have even more money to stockpile!
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