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YouTube Won't be Affected by Google's Fight Against Piracy

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August 14, 2012 2:17:49 PM

I typed Nero serial at the search window and walah!
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Anonymous
August 14, 2012 3:04:37 PM

Anyone else want to know what the hell a walah is?
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August 14, 2012 3:07:27 PM

I think he means voila.
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August 14, 2012 3:16:06 PM

To be honest, I don't care one bit about YouTube results. Google shouldn't be inserting itself in the issue of copyright infringement in any manner whatsoever. As a search provider, they should be giving me unadulterated results for the terms I entered in the search bar, not what Google or others *think* I should be seeing.

The DMCA takedown filings really are just accusations against theft - they do not need to be substantiated with large amounts of evidence (and can sometimes work against the owners, as demonstrated in the Jay Leno + NBC debacle). In this case, specific sites could very easily be targeted with DMCA notices, and Google will downrank the site in search results simply because the site has a large number of filed notices, regardless of their validity.

Rarely are measures like this implemented for the benefit of all. Google was originally a large backer of the net neutrality agreements, and this is a very visible step backward on their position.
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August 14, 2012 3:47:34 PM

Every company has to 'filter' it's range of products or services.

Like a Computer retailer may carry HP, Compaq and Acer, but not Apple for instance.
As a consumer you do not have the right to demand they carry EVERYTHING so YOU can decide what you like.

Your Evening news and Sports casters do the same. They Show Baseball and Football results, but no soccer. They show the murder of a white woman (10 minute in detail, but the killing of the black guy gets only 1 minute air time.


In the same way Google provides a Service; Search Results. And as the creator and provider of this service they have the right to decide what they present and how they go about it.

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August 14, 2012 4:02:32 PM

boiler1990To be honest, I don't care one bit about YouTube results. Google shouldn't be inserting itself in the issue of copyright infringement in any manner whatsoever. As a search provider, they should be giving me unadulterated results for the terms I entered in the search bar, not what Google or others *think* I should be seeing.


As the internet is free... and google is a private but free service (or ad-based), they can do whatever they want.

And you are free, to choose a different search engine that provides you with the results you want.
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August 14, 2012 4:05:18 PM

Can't edit my own messages? would like to add, to be clear that as a private company, it might have "perceived funding" for this to happen.
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August 14, 2012 4:24:35 PM

juancAs the internet is free... and google is a private but free service (or ad-based), they can do whatever they want WITHIN THE LAW.And you are free, to choose a different search engine that provides you with the results you want.


There fixed it for you... even a corp automaton is expected to least know the laws is above the corporations and that the corps aren't allowed to do whatever they like.
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August 14, 2012 4:57:42 PM

Um...YouTube is where all the piracy is at.
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August 14, 2012 5:09:39 PM

So what...It's google's service--they can do with as they please. Don't like it? Don't use google.

Besides, at least google/youtube take an active role in removing flagged items for copyright-infringement. It's not as if youtube is a "piracy" service site, such as TPB and similar pages. People can post copyright-infringing things to YT, but the explicit reason for YT's existence isn't to facilitate the distribution of copyright-infringing material as an alternative to buying it on a mass scale.

The "spirit" of the site matters just as much as what content it has. And don't give me this BS about how TPB/torrentfreak/etc. host "legit" content--we all know the spirit of those sites isn't to support the mass-distribution of legit materials.

tl;dr, it's google's service, they can do with it what they wish, and you don't need to use it if you don't like it.
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August 14, 2012 5:17:44 PM

juancAs the internet is free... and google is a private but free service (or ad-based), they can do whatever they want.And you are free, to choose a different search engine that provides you with the results you want.


Yes, the best option is to support a different search engine. Consumer power. That doesn't mean people can't still be bothered by it and express those opinions.

I don't think this issue is that simple though. This isn't the first time Google has been accused of tampering with the search results in their own favor. The local news can choose which sports to cover, but they can't report that every restaurant in town other than the one owned by the news company will give you a disease. This is favoritism that they stand to profit from. People think of Youtube as a free media source, but don't forget Google has pay movies now, official releases. They don't want you to go to Youtube to find pirated shows, they want you to BUY them.

Google isn't the old friend with freebies anymore, that's just a front now. This is going to bite them in the end.
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August 14, 2012 5:44:18 PM

kinggravesYes, the best option is to support a different search engine. Consumer power. That doesn't mean people can't still be bothered by it and express those opinions.I don't think this issue is that simple though. This isn't the first time Google has been accused of tampering with the search results in their own favor. The local news can choose which sports to cover, but they can't report that every restaurant in town other than the one owned by the news company will give you a disease. This is favoritism that they stand to profit from. People think of Youtube as a free media source, but don't forget Google has pay movies now, official releases. They don't want you to go to Youtube to find pirated shows, they want you to BUY them.Google isn't the old friend with freebies anymore, that's just a front now. This is going to bite them in the end.

To be fair, Youtube has significantly more built-in features to combat copyright infringement than virtually any other content-hosting service, and google/youtube play a very active role in removing infringing material. In the spirit of what this filtering hopes to accomplish, I see less wrong with youtube being exempt.

I wonder if their algorithm takes into account the take-down notice vs. total media files hosted--because that should matter (at least, in my eyes it should).
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August 14, 2012 6:10:20 PM

I bet that there are guys on this planet that if you gave them all the monney in the world they would still want some more and cry about you pirating something. Religion , politics and money the 3 things that screws this world from a fast evolution.
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August 14, 2012 7:49:40 PM

neblixI think he means voila.


Voila like the bag dinner you get at the store!
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August 14, 2012 10:12:01 PM

fk google
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August 14, 2012 10:14:40 PM

Quote:
YouTube Won't be Affected by Google's Fight Against Piracy


HAHAHAHAHAH!!!!...it's already affected, for a long time.
God, I haven't laughed that hard in a while...
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August 14, 2012 10:30:04 PM

YouTube has been overrun by anti-piracy to the point so many videos are removed now.
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August 14, 2012 10:43:55 PM

juancCan't edit my own messages? would like to add, to be clear that as a private company, it might have "perceived funding" for this to happen.


You can edit messages in tomshardware.com articles. You click the "See the comments on the forums" link that is between the comments and the article and you can edit your comments from there.
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August 14, 2012 10:48:54 PM

teh_chemSo what...It's google's service--they can do with as they please. Don't like it? Don't use google. Besides, at least google/youtube take an active role in removing flagged items for copyright-infringement. It's not as if youtube is a "piracy" service site, such as TPB and similar pages. People can post copyright-infringing things to YT, but the explicit reason for YT's existence isn't to facilitate the distribution of copyright-infringing material as an alternative to buying it on a mass scale. The "spirit" of the site matters just as much as what content it has. And don't give me this BS about how TPB/torrentfreak/etc. host "legit" content--we all know the spirit of those sites isn't to support the mass-distribution of legit materials.tl;dr, it's google's service, they can do with it what they wish, and you don't need to use it if you don't like it.


They can do what they want with their service, but I can voice my opinion of changes made to a service that I use (heck, I don't need to use it to be able to voice opinions about it so long as I'm familiar with it enough to be accurate). A similar example is that although a government may have the right to choose if a criminal should get the death sentence, the people of that government's country have every right to voice their opinion about that even if they have no right to put a stop to it themselves.
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August 15, 2012 1:23:39 AM

well isn't this the pot calling the kettle black...

I say a double standard is needed, as this comes off as "why pirate a movie when you can watch it on youtube for free and make us some money?".

I had a buddy watching the WHOLE new spider man movie on youtube last night. (odds are it's gone now)

I swear, recently youtube has received an influx of copyright/takedown requests. As some of the normal ch.s I watch have had to make a new ch. since they have gotten "fake" copyright strikes on their old account....
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August 15, 2012 6:06:42 AM

This is brilliant, google, just brilliant!

They're handing over the keys to the general public for burying anything on the web that someone doesn't like. Political sites, religious groups, news sites... you name it!

I can just hear the bot nets revving up to take advantage of this!
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Anonymous
August 15, 2012 5:45:28 PM

So what other good search engines are there?
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August 15, 2012 6:51:10 PM

pentium8901So what other good search engines are there?


Bing isn't half bad these days, but I don't know if it would have other issues that you find fault with. There's Yahoo, but I think that it is powered by Google nowadays and thus might be subject to this crap.
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