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December 1, 2005 10:48:51 AM

Finally I've updated it, which was long due. Nowdays there's too many cards in the market, although they aren't very different inside. GeForce FX cards and image quality issues of that time are now nothing more than just a bad memory. So I've decided to omit the part which used to list pros. and cons. of every single card available in the market.

I haven't been regular for nearly an year in the graphics card forum, so I think you guys can help me to improve the recommendations. Does the graphics card brand section need some change?

If you can, please provide better notes on new technologies (like PCI Express, SLI, TurboCache).

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December 1, 2005 11:22:41 AM

XFX has gotten much better....Double lifetime warranties....and often the cheapest you can buy. They take out a lot of games and programs....

if you alredy have the games and programs, you dont need them so ther XFX would be a good solution....i would move them up on your raniking to EVGA Gainward....but at the very least to where chaintech and those are.
December 3, 2005 4:34:14 AM

add the x800gto and gto2 to the Connect 3d ship line, they unlock 100% and OC like a beast. On the same note, add x800gto2 from Sapphire, same result.
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December 3, 2005 9:18:58 AM

I just got a XFX 7800GT VIVO PCI-E DDR3 Extreme clocked at 450mhz core and 1050 memory.

Plus points:
1. Good price cheaper than the competiters for the performance.
2. Excelent softwre bundle COD 2, farcry, X2, Moto gp2 and other overclocking utilities.
3. Lots of other accessories: 2 x s-video cables, 2 x analog adapters, HDTV/vivo cables, graphics power adapter adapter.
4. good warranty and manuels.

Bad points:
1: no bad points what so ever, yet.
December 3, 2005 4:41:33 PM

priyajeet wrote the Nvidia Mfr. section, I don't want to modify it right now. I added your and pickxx's opinion as quote.

TheGreatGrapeApe might update the ATI Mfr. section soon.
a b U Graphics card
December 4, 2005 11:49:31 AM

The new part on SLI and PCI-e is concise yet thorough; nice job. Looks good; kinda like you still know what your talking about. :D 

Only thing I'd have to add is in pricing(at least based on USA). You can sometimes find a 9700 pro or even 9800 pro for $100, as well as a X700 pro. It would seem worthy to mention that a deal on those cards make them a great $100 buy.

Also, in the under $300 range, the X850XT can be found for $299 or even $250 after rebate. And the AIW X800XT is also under $300 ($260 at newegg last week). These should be added to the AGP range as they would be a better buy than an equally priced X800XL or 6800GT.

Last maybe mention the X850XTpe as the current best AGP card. Although pricing wise a 7800GT makes more sense, for those in need of high end AGP there is nothing better.

Edit: one more thought. I disagree that the 7800series performs better than the X1800 series. I'd give the edge to the GT over the XL, but it's reverse for the top end. The XT beats out the regular GTX. And the 512MB GTX / X1800XTpe rare, unavaialable and/or two expensive to recommened.
December 4, 2005 12:23:21 PM

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Edit: one more thought. I disagree that the 7800series performs better than the X1800 series. I'd give the edge to the GT over the XL, but it's reverse for the top end. The XT beats out the regular GTX. And the 512MB GTX / X1800XTpe rare, unavaialable and/or two expensive to recommened.


Well those are random things.....

1. The 7800's are evenly matched with the counter parts of he X1800's.....but at a lower price...a MUCH lower price

2. A 1800XT beats a GTX256 hands down....but doesn't do so for a GTX512.

3. I dont know what your talking about but i have yet to see a person with 1 X1800XTpe and i have seen, via our boards and [H] about 50 7800GTX's 512mb.....so for a rare card its odd that i can buy one from Newegg right now....but i can't but the ATI card....


I dont care about ATI and Nvidia cards but you should atleast put out the right info. Find me a X1800XTpe online and i will maybe change my mind....if you want i can pull up some websites all with good ratings that seel atleast 3 brands of 7800GTX512's.

When broken down by price ATI doesn't hold up....you can't just say the 7800GT and X1800XL are equals....they perform roughly the same but when broken down by price it would be the X1800XL and the 7800GTX going at it...and the GTX would EASILY win. Because if you can just decree what cards are equals....then why not just compare the 6600GT and the X850PE and the X800pro and the 7800GTX512?
December 4, 2005 4:30:48 PM

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The new part on SLI and PCI-e is concise yet thorough; nice job. Looks good; kinda like you still know what your talking about. :D 

PCI-e part was completely written by priyajeet. I made it more clear in the guide now. TheGreatGrapeApe helped me to improve the SLI section, so he deserves some credit, too. :) 

Quote:
Only thing I'd have to add is in pricing(at least based on USA). You can sometimes find a 9700 pro or even 9800 pro for $100, as well as a X700 pro. It would seem worthy to mention that a deal on those cards make them a great $100 buy.

Also, in the under $300 range, the X850XT can be found for $299 or even $250 after rebate. And the AIW X800XT is also under $300 ($260 at newegg last week). These should be added to the AGP range as they would be a better buy than an equally priced X800XL or 6800GT.

Last maybe mention the X850XTpe as the current best AGP card. Although pricing wise a 7800GT makes more sense, for those in need of high end AGP there is nothing better.

I made some changes, I hope it's okay now.

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Edit: one more thought. I disagree that the 7800series performs better than the X1800 series. I'd give the edge to the GT over the XL, but it's reverse for the top end. The XT beats out the regular GTX. And the 512MB GTX / X1800XTpe rare, unavaialable and/or two expensive to recommened.

Doesn't X1800s cost more? 7800GTX seemed to perform on par with X1800 XT in the latest THGC VGA chart, sometimes GTX won and sometimes X1800XT. But ATI's performance looked horrible in the FEAR benchmark with SoftShadows enabled :?
a b U Graphics card
December 5, 2005 3:43:39 AM

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ATI X1800 series cards are as expensive as 7800 series, but performance wise 7800 series cards are better


Whoa, I should have quoted the guide as to what I was talking about. I got lazy with my last sentence. This line above is what I didn't agree with. I would say performance wise they are pretty equal with pricing going to the 7800 series. But this line says the opposite, which I do not agree with. And I know you can buy the 512MB GTX, which is rediculous priced now at almost $300 over the 256MB version. But the 512MB GTX is the best performing card currently available. The X1800XTpe is not out yet but manufactures have confirmed an OC version of the X1800XT is coming soon, which wether it's called it or not it's still a PE :)  . Anyway, The unavailable is for the X1800XTpe and the priced too high is for the 7800GTX 512MB. Anyway, I agree, the 256MB 7800GTX is cheaper than the X1800XT. BUT, the X1800XT is a little better performing than the 256MB 7800GTX in general, and alot better in a rare memory hungry game like COD2.

So I am pretty much totally agreeing with what you said, just surprised at the way you took my comments. Only thing I don't agree with is your comment about the 7800GTX being priced like a X1800XL. That was a long time ago not representing current pricing. The X1800XL can now be bought for under $350 .... $325 at newegg, with the 7800GTX usually being over $450 and the 7800GT still owning and dropping to $300. A quick pricewatch search puts the 7800GT at $299, the X1800XL at $349 ($325 after $25 rebate), the 7800GTX at $459, the X1800XT 512MB at $549, and the 512MB 7800GTX at $750.
a b U Graphics card
December 5, 2005 3:54:34 AM

Thanks, I like the changes. It's a useful guide I hope people read before asking. It was nice to get a refresh to current cards (endless task to maintain). Good to see you back too bye the way.

Only thing I don't like now is the line...
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ATI X1800 series cards are as expensive as 7800 series, but performance wise 7800 series cards are better


Based on reading lots of tests from around the web I think the 512MB 7800GTX is the clear top card. I'd say the X1800XT slightly beats out the 256MB 7800GTX, and the the 7800GT slightly beats out the X1800XL. But overall it would depend on what games are important to the buyer.

Anyway, to clarify, I agree with your recomendations of the 7800GT and GTX, just not this line as it makes the cards look like they are priced the same with performance going to the 7800 series. Where I think it is the opposite. They perform roughly the same, with pricing making the 7800 series the better buy.

Hey, by the way, the mighty 6800GS is coming to AGP. It will be native AGP and hopefully clocked and priced the same as the PCI-e. If so, you'll have to add that one too. :) 
December 5, 2005 4:03:51 AM

BFG 7800GTX 512mb $750 at NewEgg



HIS Radeon X1800XT 512MB $600 at NewEgg

I would say the HiS 1800XT is the better price/performance card from those two.
And the ATI can encode video with latest driver on the card itself in blazing speed like 10 times faster than using the CPU.
Dual core gives a 10% boost over single core due to multitheading from the benchmarks we have seen to date comparing, that should close gap further.
a b U Graphics card
December 5, 2005 4:18:49 AM

Well, hard to call either a good bang for the buck. My buck at least (cheapskate) :lol: 

Only problem is the 256MB 7800GTX is far cheaper still at almost $100 less than the cheapest X1800XT. Shoot, at $300 for a 7800GT, you can buy two for the price of that HIS. Or even the X1800XL newegg has for $325 now. Those two are the price/performance winners in the $300+ range. Nothing against the HIS there, accept it needs to drop to $500 IMO.
December 5, 2005 4:31:24 AM

I changed the wording a little. Please check it.
a b U Graphics card
December 5, 2005 5:02:04 AM

Now I can go to bed and get some sleep, thx.


Hey, another brand to look into as they are all over now. I'd like more info on who they are. I think they are all made by someone else, but Newegg has 20 Rosewill video cards from both ATI and NV. I actually own a Rosewill 9800 pro. It's you basic reference design 256-bit, clocked just like a BBA.
December 5, 2005 5:23:38 AM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814143044
BFG Tech BFGR78512GTXOC Geforce 7800GTX 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 VIVO PCI Express x16 Video Card - Retail
NewEgg Retail $750
580mhz core/1,750mhz memory clock


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814161148
HIS Radeon X1800XT 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 VIVO PCI Express x16 Video Card - Retail
NewEgg Retail $600
625mhz core/1,500mhz memory clock



http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814161148
HIS Hightech Radeon X1800XL 256MB 256-bit GDDR3 VIVO PCI Express x16 Video Card - Retail VIVO PCI Express x16 Video Card - Retail
NewEgg Retail $420



http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814143042
BFG Geforce 7800GT 256MB 256-bit GDDR3 VIVO PCI Express x16 Video Card bundled with Call of Duty 2 - Retail
NewEgg Retail $350
500mhz core and 1,000 mhz.



Seems that
December 5, 2005 6:54:42 PM

Both 3DMark 2005 and Aquamark is synthetic benchmark. In real games, 7800GTX won 4 out of 6 times. Anyway, in all 6 cases difference between 7800GTX and X1800XT wasn't significant.
December 5, 2005 7:41:30 PM

Agreed about significance.
a b U Graphics card
December 5, 2005 8:15:42 PM

Just leaving work now (to watch AEon Flux followed by Monday Night Football), but just thought you guys would appreciate the Inq's list they put out today.

It sorta follows the ideas you guys brought up;

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=28135

I'll comment and contribute more, later, like tommorow after work, tonight we DRINK! 8)
a b U Graphics card
December 5, 2005 8:34:21 PM

Hey thx for the link. I've never seen such a list from the INq before. I pretty much agree with Fudo there. And although the 7800GT leads the high end in value, the X1800XL is getting near challenging it for value. I don't see it as a clear choice between the two, but I lean toward the GT as the better buy. Shoot at $325 from Newegg, that's just $16 more than Neweggs cheapest 7800GT. I still would say the 7800GT lands more blows than it takes against the XL, but it's close enough that drivers may make it or already equalled them out. I'd say, if/when the XL drops below the GT in price, knowbody could argue either way which is the better value. Anyway, good read there.
a b U Graphics card
December 5, 2005 10:08:41 PM

Seen the HIS X1800XT OC clocked at 700/1600. I don't see the extra 75/100 MHz as enough to top the 512MB 7800GTX, but I'm sure we will see an exotics duel shortly. The Asus version is supposed to be clocked the same.

http://www.avault.com/news/displaynews.asp?story=121200...
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