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December 8, 2005 12:46:21 AM

I need a new computer for school work (Matlab) and games. I want to be able to play the latest games but it's good if it's around $1000 (could go a little higher).
I already have Radeon 9800pro and a 120 GB hard drive from the old computer so I don't think I have to buy those.
I also can't decide what CPU to get because I'll be running applications and games.

Can someone please suggest a few components that are best bang for the buck?

Thanks.
December 8, 2005 2:15:00 AM

Chaintech VNF4Ultra....$65
A64 3200+ venice core....$166
7800GT.....$320
1GB of value ram....$80
Reuse HDD if you want
Case...anything that you like ($40)
PSU....http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817104954
optical...pick something....($50)
And you're set.

GRAND TOTAL $860 before taxes and shipping.
This will be good for games, VERY good for games.....School work will be good with this. I am not sure if matlabs will like dual cores or not....If so you could get a 3800+ for $200 more and keep everythign else the same.
December 8, 2005 1:26:16 PM

Thanks for the list!
A few questions though...
is there any other motherboard that I can buy which is almost equally good and maybe equally priced? That's because I can't buy from newegg.com (I live in Canada) and it's kind of expensive on tigerdirect.ca. There is this web site pccyber.com which has good prices and there is no shipping cost because the store is close to where I live.

Also, how much of a difference is it going to make if I buy 7800 GT instead of keeping radeon 9800 pro? I just bought it a few months ago so I was hoping to still use it.

Thanks.
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December 8, 2005 4:16:13 PM

I'll hit your second question first, since it impacts the rest.

Your 9800 is AGP. A year ago PCI-E was released to replace AGP. You can still get AGP boards and cards, but new tech. ones will probably be PCI-E only. If you get an AGP board to use your 9800, you'll have to replace the board when you replace your 9800. The 9800 pro is MUCH slower than a 7800GT. (its 2 generations of performance behind).

So, for an AGP board, get almost anything with socket 939 and nForce 3 Ultra. Epox 9nda3+ (or close to that code - might be 9nPa3+?), MSI K8N Neo2 (bad Quality Control noted but if you get a good one you'll be happy), ABit, whoever. :) 

For PCI-E, Epox, ABit, Gigabyte make decent boards, but none are quite as cheap as the Chaintech ($100-120 vs $75 here in the US). The most important thing is the nForce 4 chipset, IMO. Whats available near you.

Mike.
December 9, 2005 12:20:05 AM

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Also, how much of a difference is it going to make if I buy 7800 GT instead of keeping radeon 9800 pro? I just bought it a few months ago so I was hoping to still use it.


Fishy gave you some great Mobo advise.....Nforce4 and you're good. Epox, DFI, Abit, and gygabye are good.

BUT BUT BUT BUT i would say CONSERVATIVELY the 7800GT is 4 times faster the a 9800pro.....maybe 5+

THe difference would be night and day.
December 9, 2005 1:43:32 AM

Here is what I have come up with so far:

Chaintech VNF4 Ultra ATX NFORCE4 S939 Dual DDR PCI-E16 2XPCI-E 3PCI Sound SATA LAN Motherboard $114.21

AMD Athlon 64 3700+ Processor S939 San Diego 2.2GHZ 1MB L2 Cache 90NM Retail Box $312.10

Fortron FSP/SPI SAGA AX450-PN 450W ATX12V 20/24PIN Power Supply W/ 120MM Fan P4 AMD Ready Retail $66.56

EVGA E-GEFORCE 7800GT PCI-E 256MB 256BIT GDDR3 Dual DVI-I HDTV VIVO SLI Ready Video Card Retail $417.62

Total: $910.49 CAN (without shipping, insurance, and taxes)

I still have to buy the case, RAM, DVD-writer, keyboard, mouse, and monitor (17-19' Flat screen would be good). Could you please suggest good brands for some of these items? Also, do I need anything extra like a fan or cables?

The price is kind of getting out range...anything I can do to lower it?

Thanks again.
December 9, 2005 2:15:10 AM

CANADIAN DOLLARS!!!

You have to say that!!!

First off lower the cpu from a 3700+ to a 3000+, that saves a lot.

I hesitate to lower the gpu because if you go one step lower in price you get 40% of the performance.



CASE:a cheapo case will work...some are as little as 15-20US. look around...cases do nothing but hold the parts.

RAM:Corsair Value RAM 1GB(512x2) $70 US so like $100CAN

OPTICAL: Um...I dont know. I onyl know US websites for pricing. Dont pay more then $65 CAN for anything. look for Lite-on, NEC for DVD burners...

KEYBOARD: reuse if you can, if not buy a cheapass $5 one from a local place

MOUSE: Buy a cheapass optical one. I have a optical logitech thats basica nd cost me like $10 and its worked VERY well for 3years. And in the time it has traveled about 40,000miles and 15moves (i move a lot)

MONITOR: This is where you have another huge thing. Reuse if you can....save up for a decent monitor. If you can't reuse....get a cheap CRT for now. they are ugly but it saves money up front and you can save for a good LCD later.

EXTRAS:Maybe a case fan or two....$5-$7 each, all cables come with your mobo, thats about all yuo need.


i know this is more then your budget....but i need to know what you can resue...if anything.....
December 9, 2005 6:24:34 AM

I guess I can raise my limit to $1500....
here is the new list. It still doesn't include keyboard, mouse, and monitor though. I can't reuse anything other than my hard drive and speakers. For the monitor, I want buy a good one that will last for while instead of buying a really cheap one because I already have the money.


-Chaintech VNF4 Ultra ATX NFORCE4 S939 Dual DDR PCI-E16 2XPCI-E 3PCI Sound SATA LAN Motherboard $114.21
-AMD Athlon 64 3700+ Processor S939 San Diego 2.2GHZ 1MB L2 Cache 90NM Retail Box $312.10
-Fortron FSP/SPI SAGA AX450-PN 450W ATX12V 20/24PIN Power Supply W/ 120MM Fan P4 AMD Ready Retail $66.56
-EVGA E-GEFORCE 7800GT PCI-E 256MB 256BIT GDDR3 Dual DVI-I HDTV VIVO SLI Ready Video Card Retail $417.62
-Corsair Value Select PC3200 1GB 2X512MB DDR400 184PIN DIMM Dual Channel Memory Kit $115.14
-NEC ND-3540A DVD+RW 16X8X16X DVD-RW 16X6X16X Dual LAYER+-R 8X4X IDE OEM Black Burner W/ SW $59.34
-Cooler Master Neon Blue LED 120MM Case Fan 3PIN 22DBA 1220RPM 42.734CFM 3PINS $7.88
- Nikao 2750 17IN ATX Mid Tower Case 4X5.25 1X3.5 5X3.5INT Black No PS W/ Air Duct & 80MM Fan $25.80
-D-LINK DI-604 4PORT 10/100 BROADBAND ROUTER $40.64


Total: $1,324.71 (including taxes, shipping, etc)

Does it look good or somehow I can reduce the price? I didn't change the CPU to AMD 3000 because I do want fast processing for applications and stuff. Do you still think the difference between 3700 and 3000 is not that much and just waste of extra money if I buy 3700?


Thanks.
December 9, 2005 7:42:16 AM

Everything there is great....BTW EXCELLENT choice on casefans i have heard very good things about those.

If you are worried about cpu speed get the 3200+....you wont feel a difference in the two for normal things. the time time you would notice a difference would be when your doing something that is 100% cpu intensive and super long....like rendering a 3d animation...the 3700+ would take 4days the 3200+ maybe 5days.

its not that much slower and its much cheaper.
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