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Anyone have any experience with them? Good or bad?
TIA
William
Anyone have any experience with them? Good or bad?
TIA
William
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kirk wrote:
> Anyone have any experience with them? Good or bad?
>
> TIA
> William
I've used it on both T-Mobile and Cingular. As far as Cingular, the
best place for help is right here on this form. Few Customer Service
people have a clue about GPRS or EDGE. Cingular support's both GPRS and
EDGE. On Edge I have seen speed up to 200k, but because I'm in an area
that supposably doesn't support EDGE yet, so its not stable. With GPRS
you will typically see speed at about 44k to 60k. I am on a Package
called "Media Works" that has unlimited data for only $19.99 a month.
Cingular will tell you that this plan is only for phone WAP access,
but it works just fine connected to a laptop, desktop or PDA. The promo
I signed up on advertised "Media Works" for a limited time and the ad
claimed the offer expired on July 31(I think). However, I think they did
this so they have a way out just incase their networks became
overwhelmed. I think you can still get the package. Compared to
T-mobile, Cingular is faster, however people at T-mobile seemed to know
what they where talking about when you need help. Looking back at
Cingular you can see where they have GPRS and EDGE coverage by taking a
look at this map http://www.cingular.com/download/Gprs-Edge_07_29.pdf .
If you have any more question, just send us a post and I'm sure someone
will help you.
kirk wrote:
> Anyone have any experience with them? Good or bad?
>
> TIA
> William
I've used it on both T-Mobile and Cingular. As far as Cingular, the
best place for help is right here on this form. Few Customer Service
people have a clue about GPRS or EDGE. Cingular support's both GPRS and
EDGE. On Edge I have seen speed up to 200k, but because I'm in an area
that supposably doesn't support EDGE yet, so its not stable. With GPRS
you will typically see speed at about 44k to 60k. I am on a Package
called "Media Works" that has unlimited data for only $19.99 a month.
Cingular will tell you that this plan is only for phone WAP access,
but it works just fine connected to a laptop, desktop or PDA. The promo
I signed up on advertised "Media Works" for a limited time and the ad
claimed the offer expired on July 31(I think). However, I think they did
this so they have a way out just incase their networks became
overwhelmed. I think you can still get the package. Compared to
T-mobile, Cingular is faster, however people at T-mobile seemed to know
what they where talking about when you need help. Looking back at
Cingular you can see where they have GPRS and EDGE coverage by taking a
look at this map http://www.cingular.com/download/Gprs-Edge_07_29.pdf .
If you have any more question, just send us a post and I'm sure someone
will help you.
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On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 13:57:03 GMT, "R.M" <usenetjunk@usenetjunk.com>
wrote:
>I am on a Package
>called "Media Works" that has unlimited data for only $19.99 a month.
> Cingular will tell you that this plan is only for phone WAP access,
>but it works just fine connected to a laptop, desktop or PDA.
One wonders if this is some kind of oversight, and if someday they
will close whatever loophole is allowing this to occur... OTOH, this
is what stopped me from defecting over to T-Mobile, who also offers
unlimited GPRS Internet for $19.95/month. I can always follow through
with my defection plans if Cingular decides to make detrimental
changes...
>The promo
>I signed up on advertised "Media Works" for a limited time and the ad
>claimed the offer expired on July 31(I think). However, I think they did
>this so they have a way out just incase their networks became
>overwhelmed. I think you can still get the package.
Indeed you can - I just signed up for it today. In fact, I'm using it
to reply to your post.
--
Sloth Kills!
http://www.geocities.com/slothkills/
On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 13:57:03 GMT, "R.M" <usenetjunk@usenetjunk.com>
wrote:
>I am on a Package
>called "Media Works" that has unlimited data for only $19.99 a month.
> Cingular will tell you that this plan is only for phone WAP access,
>but it works just fine connected to a laptop, desktop or PDA.
One wonders if this is some kind of oversight, and if someday they
will close whatever loophole is allowing this to occur... OTOH, this
is what stopped me from defecting over to T-Mobile, who also offers
unlimited GPRS Internet for $19.95/month. I can always follow through
with my defection plans if Cingular decides to make detrimental
changes...
>The promo
>I signed up on advertised "Media Works" for a limited time and the ad
>claimed the offer expired on July 31(I think). However, I think they did
>this so they have a way out just incase their networks became
>overwhelmed. I think you can still get the package.
Indeed you can - I just signed up for it today. In fact, I'm using it
to reply to your post.
--
Sloth Kills!
http://www.geocities.com/slothkills/
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Woops, I read the subjet as "Internet Wireless" and not "Intelnet
Wireless". Owe well maybe someone will get some inforamtion out of my
other post. I'll read more closely next time :-b
kirk wrote:
> Anyone have any experience with them? Good or bad?
>
> TIA
> William
Woops, I read the subjet as "Internet Wireless" and not "Intelnet
Wireless". Owe well maybe someone will get some inforamtion out of my
other post. I'll read more closely next time :-b
kirk wrote:
> Anyone have any experience with them? Good or bad?
>
> TIA
> William
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Scott en Aztlan wrote:
>
> One wonders if this is some kind of oversight, and if someday they
> will close whatever loophole is allowing this to occur... OTOH, this
> is what stopped me from defecting over to T-Mobile, who also offers
> unlimited GPRS Internet for $19.95/month. I can always follow through
> with my defection plans if Cingular decides to make detrimental
> changes...
>
Actually, I don't think this will happen(I hope), but I have been wrong
before. The reason Cingular came out with the "Media Works" package was
to compete with T-mobile Unlimited Package and Sprint upcoming unlimited
data plan(not yet available as faw as I know). If anything, I think they
will expand their unlimited data plan to isp.cingular. Back when
T-mobile first offered unlimited data it was only for the Danger
Sidekicks. Later they included the Trio PDA and shortly after that they
open it for everyone. Cinuglar could be doing the same to make sure they
don't overload their network. Again this is all speculative so it could
go either way. I will say this, if they did stop it, I WILL break my
contract with cingular to move back to T-mobile. Just last month I
download 200mb of data and if I remember right that would have cost well
over $100 just for the data. I just use it way too much.
>
> Indeed you can - I just signed up for it today. In fact, I'm using it
> to reply to your post.
>
Cool deal!!
Scott en Aztlan wrote:
>
> One wonders if this is some kind of oversight, and if someday they
> will close whatever loophole is allowing this to occur... OTOH, this
> is what stopped me from defecting over to T-Mobile, who also offers
> unlimited GPRS Internet for $19.95/month. I can always follow through
> with my defection plans if Cingular decides to make detrimental
> changes...
>
Actually, I don't think this will happen(I hope), but I have been wrong
before. The reason Cingular came out with the "Media Works" package was
to compete with T-mobile Unlimited Package and Sprint upcoming unlimited
data plan(not yet available as faw as I know). If anything, I think they
will expand their unlimited data plan to isp.cingular. Back when
T-mobile first offered unlimited data it was only for the Danger
Sidekicks. Later they included the Trio PDA and shortly after that they
open it for everyone. Cinuglar could be doing the same to make sure they
don't overload their network. Again this is all speculative so it could
go either way. I will say this, if they did stop it, I WILL break my
contract with cingular to move back to T-mobile. Just last month I
download 200mb of data and if I remember right that would have cost well
over $100 just for the data. I just use it way too much.
>
> Indeed you can - I just signed up for it today. In fact, I'm using it
> to reply to your post.
>
Cool deal!!
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In <e70ih01gjvaiueckgjas0qblhqihoig880@4ax.com> on Tue, 10 Aug 2004 10:12:54
-0700, Scott en Aztlan <slothkills@NOyahooSPAM.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 13:57:03 GMT, "R.M" <usenetjunk@usenetjunk.com>
>wrote:
>
>>I am on a Package
>>called "Media Works" that has unlimited data for only $19.99 a month.
>> Cingular will tell you that this plan is only for phone WAP access,
>>but it works just fine connected to a laptop, desktop or PDA.
>
>One wonders if this is some kind of oversight, and if someday they
>will close whatever loophole is allowing this to occur...
ATTWS has equally tenuous restrictions on and thus likely loopholes in its
"unlimited" data plans:
* $25/mo for phone device only ($.001 per KB for connected devices)
* $50/mo for PDA (or Blackberry) only
* $80/mo for PDA and laptop (req. for UMTS)
As a practical matter, it would be very difficult for ATTWS to tell the
difference between phone (e.g., Sony Ericsson P900), PDA, and laptop, all of
which are capable of the same types of Internet usage.
--
Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>
In <e70ih01gjvaiueckgjas0qblhqihoig880@4ax.com> on Tue, 10 Aug 2004 10:12:54
-0700, Scott en Aztlan <slothkills@NOyahooSPAM.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 13:57:03 GMT, "R.M" <usenetjunk@usenetjunk.com>
>wrote:
>
>>I am on a Package
>>called "Media Works" that has unlimited data for only $19.99 a month.
>> Cingular will tell you that this plan is only for phone WAP access,
>>but it works just fine connected to a laptop, desktop or PDA.
>
>One wonders if this is some kind of oversight, and if someday they
>will close whatever loophole is allowing this to occur...
ATTWS has equally tenuous restrictions on and thus likely loopholes in its
"unlimited" data plans:
* $25/mo for phone device only ($.001 per KB for connected devices)
* $50/mo for PDA (or Blackberry) only
* $80/mo for PDA and laptop (req. for UMTS)
As a practical matter, it would be very difficult for ATTWS to tell the
difference between phone (e.g., Sony Ericsson P900), PDA, and laptop, all of
which are capable of the same types of Internet usage.
--
Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>
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In <e70ih01gjvaiueckgjas0qblhqihoig880@4ax.com> on Tue, 10 Aug 2004 10:12:54
-0700, Scott en Aztlan <slothkills@NOyahooSPAM.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 13:57:03 GMT, "R.M" <usenetjunk@usenetjunk.com>
>wrote:
>
>>I am on a Package
>>called "Media Works" that has unlimited data for only $19.99 a month.
>> Cingular will tell you that this plan is only for phone WAP access,
>>but it works just fine connected to a laptop, desktop or PDA.
>
>One wonders if this is some kind of oversight, and if someday they
>will close whatever loophole is allowing this to occur...
ATTWS has equally tenuous restrictions on and thus likely loopholes in its
"unlimited" data plans:
* $25/mo for phone device only ($.001 per KB for connected devices)
* $50/mo for PDA (or Blackberry) only
* $80/mo for PDA and laptop (req. for UMTS)
As a practical matter, it would be very difficult for ATTWS to tell the
difference between phone (e.g., Sony Ericsson P900), PDA, and laptop, all of
which are capable of the same types of Internet usage.
--
Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>
In <e70ih01gjvaiueckgjas0qblhqihoig880@4ax.com> on Tue, 10 Aug 2004 10:12:54
-0700, Scott en Aztlan <slothkills@NOyahooSPAM.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 13:57:03 GMT, "R.M" <usenetjunk@usenetjunk.com>
>wrote:
>
>>I am on a Package
>>called "Media Works" that has unlimited data for only $19.99 a month.
>> Cingular will tell you that this plan is only for phone WAP access,
>>but it works just fine connected to a laptop, desktop or PDA.
>
>One wonders if this is some kind of oversight, and if someday they
>will close whatever loophole is allowing this to occur...
ATTWS has equally tenuous restrictions on and thus likely loopholes in its
"unlimited" data plans:
* $25/mo for phone device only ($.001 per KB for connected devices)
* $50/mo for PDA (or Blackberry) only
* $80/mo for PDA and laptop (req. for UMTS)
As a practical matter, it would be very difficult for ATTWS to tell the
difference between phone (e.g., Sony Ericsson P900), PDA, and laptop, all of
which are capable of the same types of Internet usage.
--
Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>
Archived from groups: alt.cellular.cingular (More info?)
Kirk,
I use a nokia 6200 and the wireless internet program that cingular
provide for my laptop
Works fine. You just have to will to pay the cost.
Chip
kirk wrote:
> Anyone have any experience with them? Good or bad?
>
> TIA
> William
Kirk,
I use a nokia 6200 and the wireless internet program that cingular
provide for my laptop
Works fine. You just have to will to pay the cost.
Chip
kirk wrote:
> Anyone have any experience with them? Good or bad?
>
> TIA
> William
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In <iR7Sc.6736$54.104795@typhoon.sonic.net> on Tue, 10 Aug 2004 17:45:50 GMT,
John Navas <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>In <e70ih01gjvaiueckgjas0qblhqihoig880@4ax.com> on Tue, 10 Aug 2004 10:12:54
>-0700, Scott en Aztlan <slothkills@NOyahooSPAM.com> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 13:57:03 GMT, "R.M" <usenetjunk@usenetjunk.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>I am on a Package
>>>called "Media Works" that has unlimited data for only $19.99 a month.
>>> Cingular will tell you that this plan is only for phone WAP access,
>>>but it works just fine connected to a laptop, desktop or PDA.
>>
>>One wonders if this is some kind of oversight, and if someday they
>>will close whatever loophole is allowing this to occur...
>
>ATTWS has equally tenuous restrictions on and thus likely loopholes in its
>"unlimited" data plans:
>
>* $25/mo for phone device only ($.001 per KB for connected devices)
>
>* $50/mo for PDA (or Blackberry) only
>
>* $80/mo for PDA and laptop (req. for UMTS)
>
>As a practical matter, it would be very difficult for ATTWS to tell the
>difference between phone (e.g., Sony Ericsson P900), PDA, and laptop, all of
>which are capable of the same types of Internet usage.
I just read the fine print in the plan, which requires the use of an
ATTWS-provided handset, thus making this easy for ATTWS to control.
--
Best regards,
John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/>
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In <iR7Sc.6736$54.104795@typhoon.sonic.net> on Tue, 10 Aug 2004 17:45:50 GMT,
John Navas <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>In <e70ih01gjvaiueckgjas0qblhqihoig880@4ax.com> on Tue, 10 Aug 2004 10:12:54
>-0700, Scott en Aztlan <slothkills@NOyahooSPAM.com> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 13:57:03 GMT, "R.M" <usenetjunk@usenetjunk.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>I am on a Package
>>>called "Media Works" that has unlimited data for only $19.99 a month.
>>> Cingular will tell you that this plan is only for phone WAP access,
>>>but it works just fine connected to a laptop, desktop or PDA.
>>
>>One wonders if this is some kind of oversight, and if someday they
>>will close whatever loophole is allowing this to occur...
>
>ATTWS has equally tenuous restrictions on and thus likely loopholes in its
>"unlimited" data plans:
>
>* $25/mo for phone device only ($.001 per KB for connected devices)
>
>* $50/mo for PDA (or Blackberry) only
>
>* $80/mo for PDA and laptop (req. for UMTS)
>
>As a practical matter, it would be very difficult for ATTWS to tell the
>difference between phone (e.g., Sony Ericsson P900), PDA, and laptop, all of
>which are capable of the same types of Internet usage.
I just read the fine print in the plan, which requires the use of an
ATTWS-provided handset, thus making this easy for ATTWS to control.
--
Best regards,
John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/>
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John Navas wrote:
> [POSTED TO alt.cellular.attws - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
>
> In <iR7Sc.6736$54.104795@typhoon.sonic.net> on Tue, 10 Aug 2004
> 17:45:50 GMT, John Navas <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
>> In <e70ih01gjvaiueckgjas0qblhqihoig880@4ax.com> on Tue, 10 Aug 2004
>> 10:12:54 -0700, Scott en Aztlan <slothkills@NOyahooSPAM.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 13:57:03 GMT, "R.M" <usenetjunk@usenetjunk.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am on a Package
>>>> called "Media Works" that has unlimited data for only $19.99 a
>>>> month. Cingular will tell you that this plan is only for phone
>>>> WAP access, but it works just fine connected to a laptop, desktop
>>>> or PDA.
>>>
>>> One wonders if this is some kind of oversight, and if someday they
>>> will close whatever loophole is allowing this to occur...
>>
>> ATTWS has equally tenuous restrictions on and thus likely loopholes
>> in its "unlimited" data plans:
>>
>> * $25/mo for phone device only ($.001 per KB for connected devices)
>>
>> * $50/mo for PDA (or Blackberry) only
>>
>> * $80/mo for PDA and laptop (req. for UMTS)
>>
>> As a practical matter, it would be very difficult for ATTWS to tell
>> the difference between phone (e.g., Sony Ericsson P900), PDA, and
>> laptop, all of which are capable of the same types of Internet usage.
>
> I just read the fine print in the plan, which requires the use of an
> ATTWS-provided handset, thus making this easy for ATTWS to control.
>
What about a Bluetooth phone? you can connect to the intrenet through the
phone via BT. Not sure how the language in teh contract is worded in that
area.
John Navas wrote:
> [POSTED TO alt.cellular.attws - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
>
> In <iR7Sc.6736$54.104795@typhoon.sonic.net> on Tue, 10 Aug 2004
> 17:45:50 GMT, John Navas <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
>> In <e70ih01gjvaiueckgjas0qblhqihoig880@4ax.com> on Tue, 10 Aug 2004
>> 10:12:54 -0700, Scott en Aztlan <slothkills@NOyahooSPAM.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 13:57:03 GMT, "R.M" <usenetjunk@usenetjunk.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am on a Package
>>>> called "Media Works" that has unlimited data for only $19.99 a
>>>> month. Cingular will tell you that this plan is only for phone
>>>> WAP access, but it works just fine connected to a laptop, desktop
>>>> or PDA.
>>>
>>> One wonders if this is some kind of oversight, and if someday they
>>> will close whatever loophole is allowing this to occur...
>>
>> ATTWS has equally tenuous restrictions on and thus likely loopholes
>> in its "unlimited" data plans:
>>
>> * $25/mo for phone device only ($.001 per KB for connected devices)
>>
>> * $50/mo for PDA (or Blackberry) only
>>
>> * $80/mo for PDA and laptop (req. for UMTS)
>>
>> As a practical matter, it would be very difficult for ATTWS to tell
>> the difference between phone (e.g., Sony Ericsson P900), PDA, and
>> laptop, all of which are capable of the same types of Internet usage.
>
> I just read the fine print in the plan, which requires the use of an
> ATTWS-provided handset, thus making this easy for ATTWS to control.
>
What about a Bluetooth phone? you can connect to the intrenet through the
phone via BT. Not sure how the language in teh contract is worded in that
area.
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In <aAtYc.16521$Bt5.9684@twister.socal.rr.com> on Sun, 29 Aug 2004 23:23:50
GMT, "Trey" <treydog90spam@hotmail.com> wrote:
>John Navas wrote:
>>
>> In <iR7Sc.6736$54.104795@typhoon.sonic.net> on Tue, 10 Aug 2004
>> 17:45:50 GMT, John Navas <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>>> As a practical matter, it would be very difficult for ATTWS to tell
>>> the difference between phone (e.g., Sony Ericsson P900), PDA, and
>>> laptop, all of which are capable of the same types of Internet usage.
>>
>> I just read the fine print in the plan, which requires the use of an
>> ATTWS-provided handset, thus making this easy for ATTWS to control.
>>
>
>What about a Bluetooth phone? you can connect to the intrenet through the
>phone via BT. Not sure how the language in teh contract is worded in that
>area.
Quite clear it's prohibited, and easily tracked by the carrier, since only an
ATTWS-provided handset can be used.
--
Best regards,
John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/>
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In <aAtYc.16521$Bt5.9684@twister.socal.rr.com> on Sun, 29 Aug 2004 23:23:50
GMT, "Trey" <treydog90spam@hotmail.com> wrote:
>John Navas wrote:
>>
>> In <iR7Sc.6736$54.104795@typhoon.sonic.net> on Tue, 10 Aug 2004
>> 17:45:50 GMT, John Navas <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>>> As a practical matter, it would be very difficult for ATTWS to tell
>>> the difference between phone (e.g., Sony Ericsson P900), PDA, and
>>> laptop, all of which are capable of the same types of Internet usage.
>>
>> I just read the fine print in the plan, which requires the use of an
>> ATTWS-provided handset, thus making this easy for ATTWS to control.
>>
>
>What about a Bluetooth phone? you can connect to the intrenet through the
>phone via BT. Not sure how the language in teh contract is worded in that
>area.
Quite clear it's prohibited, and easily tracked by the carrier, since only an
ATTWS-provided handset can be used.
--
Best regards,
John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/>
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On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 10:10:16 -0700, John Navas wrote
(in article <YbJYc.11073$54.151806@typhoon.sonic.net>):
> [POSTED TO alt.cellular.attws - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
>
> In <aAtYc.16521$Bt5.9684@twister.socal.rr.com> on Sun, 29 Aug 2004 23:23:50
> GMT, "Trey" <treydog90spam@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> John Navas wrote:
>>>
>>> In <iR7Sc.6736$54.104795@typhoon.sonic.net> on Tue, 10 Aug 2004
>>> 17:45:50 GMT, John Navas <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
>>>> As a practical matter, it would be very difficult for ATTWS to tell
>>>> the difference between phone (e.g., Sony Ericsson P900), PDA, and
>>>> laptop, all of which are capable of the same types of Internet usage.
>>>
>>> I just read the fine print in the plan, which requires the use of an
>>> ATTWS-provided handset, thus making this easy for ATTWS to control.
>>>> (
>>
>> What about a Bluetooth phone? you can connect to the intrenet through the
>> phone via BT. Not sure how the language in teh contract is worded in that
>> area.
>
> Quite clear it's prohibited, and easily tracked by the carrier, since only an
> ATTWS-provided handset can be used.
>
>
I use a T637 BTT and connect with my PowerBook. I told the rep this when I
signed up and that the MediaWorks package would serve well for this.
His answer: ok.
When I look at my bill, it show the data transferred. I t is obvious that no
phone is going to transfer that many MB's on a weekend night. I was picking
up email from the coffee shop, and cruising the text/Avantgo versions of news
web sites.
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On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 10:10:16 -0700, John Navas wrote
(in article <YbJYc.11073$54.151806@typhoon.sonic.net>):
> [POSTED TO alt.cellular.attws - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
>
> In <aAtYc.16521$Bt5.9684@twister.socal.rr.com> on Sun, 29 Aug 2004 23:23:50
> GMT, "Trey" <treydog90spam@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> John Navas wrote:
>>>
>>> In <iR7Sc.6736$54.104795@typhoon.sonic.net> on Tue, 10 Aug 2004
>>> 17:45:50 GMT, John Navas <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
>>>> As a practical matter, it would be very difficult for ATTWS to tell
>>>> the difference between phone (e.g., Sony Ericsson P900), PDA, and
>>>> laptop, all of which are capable of the same types of Internet usage.
>>>
>>> I just read the fine print in the plan, which requires the use of an
>>> ATTWS-provided handset, thus making this easy for ATTWS to control.
>>>> (
>>
>> What about a Bluetooth phone? you can connect to the intrenet through the
>> phone via BT. Not sure how the language in teh contract is worded in that
>> area.
>
> Quite clear it's prohibited, and easily tracked by the carrier, since only an
> ATTWS-provided handset can be used.
>
>
I use a T637 BTT and connect with my PowerBook. I told the rep this when I
signed up and that the MediaWorks package would serve well for this.
His answer: ok.
When I look at my bill, it show the data transferred. I t is obvious that no
phone is going to transfer that many MB's on a weekend night. I was picking
up email from the coffee shop, and cruising the text/Avantgo versions of news
web sites.
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In <DotYc.10933$54.149679@typhoon.sonic.net> on Sun, 29 Aug 2004 23:11:31 GMT,
John Navas <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>In <iR7Sc.6736$54.104795@typhoon.sonic.net> on Tue, 10 Aug 2004 17:45:50 GMT,
>John Navas <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
>>In <e70ih01gjvaiueckgjas0qblhqihoig880@4ax.com> on Tue, 10 Aug 2004 10:12:54
>>-0700, Scott en Aztlan <slothkills@NOyahooSPAM.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 13:57:03 GMT, "R.M" <usenetjunk@usenetjunk.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>I am on a Package
>>>>called "Media Works" that has unlimited data for only $19.99 a month.
>>>> Cingular will tell you that this plan is only for phone WAP access,
>>>>but it works just fine connected to a laptop, desktop or PDA.
>>>
>>>One wonders if this is some kind of oversight, and if someday they
>>>will close whatever loophole is allowing this to occur...
>>
>>ATTWS has equally tenuous restrictions on and thus likely loopholes in its
>>"unlimited" data plans:
>>
>>* $25/mo for phone device only ($.001 per KB for connected devices)
>>
>>* $50/mo for PDA (or Blackberry) only
>>
>>* $80/mo for PDA and laptop (req. for UMTS)
>>
>>As a practical matter, it would be very difficult for ATTWS to tell the
>>difference between phone (e.g., Sony Ericsson P900), PDA, and laptop, all of
>>which are capable of the same types of Internet usage.
>
>I just read the fine print in the plan, which requires the use of an
>ATTWS-provided handset, thus making this easy for ATTWS to control.
Well, that's not right either -- I was confusing the consumer "mMode"
(consumer data) "unlimited" plan with business "Mobile Internet" (business
data) "unlimited" plans. (ATTWS reps concede that the plans and the website
are confusing.)
<http://www.attwireless.com/global/content/popup_mmode_terms.jhtml>
Consumer "mMode" "unlimited" ($25/month) is *not* limited to ATTWS-provided
devices and does include UMTS, but costs extra with a "connected" device
(e.g., laptop), although it's hard to see how ATTWS could actually police that
(other than by monitoring usage), as I noted earlier.
<http://www.attwireless.com/global/business/plans/popup_mobileinternet_terms_b2b.jhtml
Business "Mobile Internet" "unlimited" *is* limited to ATTWS-provided handsets
and ATTWS-certified PDAs, and UMTS is only available at the $80/month level.
The $25/month Unlimited Handset Plan, same price as the consumer plan, again
costs extra with a "connected" device (e.g., laptop). ATTWS could obviously
police the use of "connected" since it provides the handsets.
There also a ton of restrictions on use in all these ATTWS plans that seem to
boil down to, "We reserve the right to terminate your service if you make too
much use of it ('unlimited' notwithstanding)." Thus the simple T-Mobile
Unlimited plans <http://www.t-mobile.com/plans/default.asp?tab=internet>
($20/month added to a voice plan, $30/month standalone) look much more
attractive. There's also unlimited T-Mobile HotSpot for $20/month on a voice
plan.
While checking this all out I had an interesting debate with a "data
specialist" who first told me that ATTWS would *only* sell service for
ATTWS-provided devices as a matter "policy" and (after conferring with a
"Supervisor") that she would therefore refuse to enter an order since I'm
using my own non-ATTWS Sony Ericsson Z600 handset, but backed down (after
conferring again with a "supervisor") and offered to try it when I pointed out
that ATTWS knowingly sold me service for that very handset, that no such
policy is documented in my Service Agreement, and that such an undocumented
restriction might constitute an unethical business practice.
Although I've generally had good to very good experience with ATTWS customer
service, this was a big exception -- it took me at least a dozen tries to get
past dropped and misrouted calls to someone that would take ownership, and
even then it took another 20 minutes to get good answers. She confessed that
things were a "bit chaotic given the merger" and apologized several times. So
persistence paid off, and all's well that end's well.
--
Best regards,
John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/>
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In <DotYc.10933$54.149679@typhoon.sonic.net> on Sun, 29 Aug 2004 23:11:31 GMT,
John Navas <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>In <iR7Sc.6736$54.104795@typhoon.sonic.net> on Tue, 10 Aug 2004 17:45:50 GMT,
>John Navas <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
>>In <e70ih01gjvaiueckgjas0qblhqihoig880@4ax.com> on Tue, 10 Aug 2004 10:12:54
>>-0700, Scott en Aztlan <slothkills@NOyahooSPAM.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 13:57:03 GMT, "R.M" <usenetjunk@usenetjunk.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>I am on a Package
>>>>called "Media Works" that has unlimited data for only $19.99 a month.
>>>> Cingular will tell you that this plan is only for phone WAP access,
>>>>but it works just fine connected to a laptop, desktop or PDA.
>>>
>>>One wonders if this is some kind of oversight, and if someday they
>>>will close whatever loophole is allowing this to occur...
>>
>>ATTWS has equally tenuous restrictions on and thus likely loopholes in its
>>"unlimited" data plans:
>>
>>* $25/mo for phone device only ($.001 per KB for connected devices)
>>
>>* $50/mo for PDA (or Blackberry) only
>>
>>* $80/mo for PDA and laptop (req. for UMTS)
>>
>>As a practical matter, it would be very difficult for ATTWS to tell the
>>difference between phone (e.g., Sony Ericsson P900), PDA, and laptop, all of
>>which are capable of the same types of Internet usage.
>
>I just read the fine print in the plan, which requires the use of an
>ATTWS-provided handset, thus making this easy for ATTWS to control.
Well, that's not right either -- I was confusing the consumer "mMode"
(consumer data) "unlimited" plan with business "Mobile Internet" (business
data) "unlimited" plans. (ATTWS reps concede that the plans and the website
are confusing.)
<http://www.attwireless.com/global/content/popup_mmode_terms.jhtml>
Consumer "mMode" "unlimited" ($25/month) is *not* limited to ATTWS-provided
devices and does include UMTS, but costs extra with a "connected" device
(e.g., laptop), although it's hard to see how ATTWS could actually police that
(other than by monitoring usage), as I noted earlier.
<http://www.attwireless.com/global/business/plans/popup_mobileinternet_terms_b2b.jhtml
Business "Mobile Internet" "unlimited" *is* limited to ATTWS-provided handsets
and ATTWS-certified PDAs, and UMTS is only available at the $80/month level.
The $25/month Unlimited Handset Plan, same price as the consumer plan, again
costs extra with a "connected" device (e.g., laptop). ATTWS could obviously
police the use of "connected" since it provides the handsets.
There also a ton of restrictions on use in all these ATTWS plans that seem to
boil down to, "We reserve the right to terminate your service if you make too
much use of it ('unlimited' notwithstanding)." Thus the simple T-Mobile
Unlimited plans <http://www.t-mobile.com/plans/default.asp?tab=internet>
($20/month added to a voice plan, $30/month standalone) look much more
attractive. There's also unlimited T-Mobile HotSpot for $20/month on a voice
plan.
While checking this all out I had an interesting debate with a "data
specialist" who first told me that ATTWS would *only* sell service for
ATTWS-provided devices as a matter "policy" and (after conferring with a
"Supervisor") that she would therefore refuse to enter an order since I'm
using my own non-ATTWS Sony Ericsson Z600 handset, but backed down (after
conferring again with a "supervisor") and offered to try it when I pointed out
that ATTWS knowingly sold me service for that very handset, that no such
policy is documented in my Service Agreement, and that such an undocumented
restriction might constitute an unethical business practice.
Although I've generally had good to very good experience with ATTWS customer
service, this was a big exception -- it took me at least a dozen tries to get
past dropped and misrouted calls to someone that would take ownership, and
even then it took another 20 minutes to get good answers. She confessed that
things were a "bit chaotic given the merger" and apologized several times. So
persistence paid off, and all's well that end's well.
--
Best regards,
John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/>
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In <0001HW.BD58D3A70005D453F0509600@news-server.socal.rr.com> on Mon, 30 Aug
2004 19:52:55 GMT, Gunnar H Reichert-Weygold <paganlibrary@spamcop.net> wrote:
>On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 10:10:16 -0700, John Navas wrote
>(in article <YbJYc.11073$54.151806@typhoon.sonic.net>):
>
>> In <aAtYc.16521$Bt5.9684@twister.socal.rr.com> on Sun, 29 Aug 2004 23:23:50
>> GMT, "Trey" <treydog90spam@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> John Navas wrote:
>>>>
>>>> In <iR7Sc.6736$54.104795@typhoon.sonic.net> on Tue, 10 Aug 2004
>>>> 17:45:50 GMT, John Navas <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> As a practical matter, it would be very difficult for ATTWS to tell
>>>>> the difference between phone (e.g., Sony Ericsson P900), PDA, and
>>>>> laptop, all of which are capable of the same types of Internet usage.
>>>>
>>>> I just read the fine print in the plan, which requires the use of an
>>>> ATTWS-provided handset, thus making this easy for ATTWS to control.
>>>>> (
>>>
>>> What about a Bluetooth phone? you can connect to the intrenet through the
>>> phone via BT. Not sure how the language in teh contract is worded in that
>>> area.
>>
>> Quite clear it's prohibited, and easily tracked by the carrier, since only an
>> ATTWS-provided handset can be used.
>
>I use a T637 BTT and connect with my PowerBook. I told the rep this when I
>signed up and that the MediaWorks package would serve well for this.
>[SNIP]
Media Works is Cingular. The thread above applies to ATTWS.
--
Best regards,
John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/>
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In <0001HW.BD58D3A70005D453F0509600@news-server.socal.rr.com> on Mon, 30 Aug
2004 19:52:55 GMT, Gunnar H Reichert-Weygold <paganlibrary@spamcop.net> wrote:
>On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 10:10:16 -0700, John Navas wrote
>(in article <YbJYc.11073$54.151806@typhoon.sonic.net>):
>
>> In <aAtYc.16521$Bt5.9684@twister.socal.rr.com> on Sun, 29 Aug 2004 23:23:50
>> GMT, "Trey" <treydog90spam@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> John Navas wrote:
>>>>
>>>> In <iR7Sc.6736$54.104795@typhoon.sonic.net> on Tue, 10 Aug 2004
>>>> 17:45:50 GMT, John Navas <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> As a practical matter, it would be very difficult for ATTWS to tell
>>>>> the difference between phone (e.g., Sony Ericsson P900), PDA, and
>>>>> laptop, all of which are capable of the same types of Internet usage.
>>>>
>>>> I just read the fine print in the plan, which requires the use of an
>>>> ATTWS-provided handset, thus making this easy for ATTWS to control.
>>>>> (
>>>
>>> What about a Bluetooth phone? you can connect to the intrenet through the
>>> phone via BT. Not sure how the language in teh contract is worded in that
>>> area.
>>
>> Quite clear it's prohibited, and easily tracked by the carrier, since only an
>> ATTWS-provided handset can be used.
>
>I use a T637 BTT and connect with my PowerBook. I told the rep this when I
>signed up and that the MediaWorks package would serve well for this.
>[SNIP]
Media Works is Cingular. The thread above applies to ATTWS.
--
Best regards,
John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/>
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