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December 12, 2005 10:41:52 PM

After I recieve some extra cash for christmas, I'll finally have enough money to build a PC that I'm satisfied with. I want to hear comments on these parts that I plan to buy.

Case
ASPIRE X-Navigator ATXA8NW-GN/500 Black/Green Aluminum ATX Mid Tower Computer Case ATX aluminum 500W see-through Power Supply

CPU
AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+ Manchester 1GHz FSB 2 x 512KB L2 Cache Socket 939 Dual Core Processor

Motherboard
ASUS A8N-SLI Socket 939 NVIDIA nForce4 SLI ATX AMD Motherboard

RAM
CORSAIR ValueSelect 2GB (2 x 1GB) 184-Pin DDR SDRAM Unbuffered DDR 400 (PC 3200) System Memory

Video Cards
2x PNY VCG7800GXWB-C2 Geforce 7800GT 256MB 256-bit GDDR3 VIVO PCI Express x16 Video Card with Call of Duty 2 - Retail

Optical Drive
NEC Black 16X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 16X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2M Cache IDE/ATAPI DVD Burner - OEM

Floppy
MITSUMI Black 1.44MB 3.5" Internal 8 in 1 Floppy Drive Model FA404A/404M BLK - OEM

Hard Drive
Western Digital Caviar SE WD3200JD 320GB 7200 RPM 8MB Cache Serial ATA150 Hard Drive - OEM

Sound Card
Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi XtremeMusic 8 (7.1) Channels 24-bit 96KHz PCI Interface Sound Card - Retail

OS
Microsoft Windows XP Professional With SP2 - OEM

Should I also buy a different PSU?
December 13, 2005 12:40:07 AM

YES!!! you need a different PSU.

Also why is everything nice and then you have 2GB of value ram? would buying some better ram blow your budget?

Do you plan on OCing?
December 13, 2005 1:11:57 AM

I wasn't trying to go over $2000, but yeah I'll get better RAM. Any suggestions on an effective, cheap PSU?

And also, I have no clue on how to Overclock, and what exactly it does, except make the processor work better than it should?

Also, I was debating on tro rather keep the mobo I chose or get http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16813136151

How is this PSU
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817163026

And here's the ram I chose:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820223032
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December 13, 2005 1:35:50 AM

Quote:
I wasn't trying to go over $2000, but yeah I'll get better RAM. Any suggestions on an effective, cheap PSU?

And also, I have no clue on how to Overclock, and what exactly it does, except make the processor work better than it should?

Also, I was debating on tro rather keep the mobo I chose or get http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16813136151

How is this PSU
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817163026

And here's the ram I chose:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820223032



PSU...HELL NO!
RAM...no

Get this.....http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817104954
Psu's hav more stats then just wattage.....that powmax POS will prbaby explode and take your whole rig down with it.
For ram....http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820141236


OC'ing will make a 3200+ perform better then a FX57 sometimes. Thats a $800 savings.




The DFI board is awesome but if you want to OC, and you dont know how DO NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT gt the DFI board. its my fav board....but not for new people to OCing


you should get the EPoX SLI board....cheaper then Asus and rock solid.
December 13, 2005 1:46:09 AM

Thanks, and are there any OC guides you recommend? And is 450W enough?
December 13, 2005 1:46:37 AM

Ok you probly wont listen to me but Honestly is the 5 fps worth the extra 600$ for 2 7800gtx's?

And pickxx is right that psu wont cut the cheese..

here are some brands, look for 450-500+ watts
OCZ
Enermax
PC power and cooling
Antec
FRC (i think pickxx correct me plz if im rong lol )

these are all super power supplys and are realy stable, Id highly Recommend PC Power And Cooling there stuff is High end id trust there powersupply if id build a rig for bill gates.
December 13, 2005 1:52:44 AM

Quote:
Ok you probly wont listen to me but Honestly is the 5 fps worth the extra 600$ for 2 7800gtx's?

And pickxx is right that psu wont cut the cheese..

here are some brands, look for 450-500+ watts
OCZ
Enermax
PC power and cooling
Antec
FRC (i think pickxx correct me plz if im rong lol )

these are all super power supplys and are realy stable, Id highly Recommend PC Power And Cooling there stuff is High end id trust there powersupply if id build a rig for bill gates.


I didn't get 2 GTX's, and I'll check out the PC Power and Cooling.
December 13, 2005 2:00:51 AM

Ops im srry i thought i saw gtx, i post on quiet a few threads so i thought it said gtx but its the same concept Do you realy need 2? its your choice. When i wanted to build my current system i wanted to get 2 6600gts in SLI but i kinda relize there is no sense in it...

I know you want a Uber system with braging rights but its not very cost effictive.. id spend the extra cash on Raptors or a really nice cpu so when the next Set of xxxxgt's come out i can sell ur Card and add 150$ and get the newest GT card but thats just me.
December 13, 2005 2:02:56 AM

No, but you got 2 7800GT's.....Its expsensive but gives better bang for buck then GTX's.

but is still a lot of money....lol
December 13, 2005 2:03:54 AM

Quote:

here are some brands, look for 450-500+ watts
OCZ
Enermax
PC power and cooling
Antec
FRC (i think pickxx correct me plz if im rong lol )


FRC? i have no idea what that is....do you mean FSP? Fortron Source Power?!?
December 13, 2005 2:06:20 AM

Quote:
Ops im srry i thought i saw gtx, i post on quiet a few threads so i thought it said gtx but its the same concept Do you realy need 2? its your choice. When i wanted to build my current system i wanted to get 2 6600gts in SLI but i kinda relize there is no sense in it...

I know you want a Uber system with braging rights but its not very cost effictive.. id spend the extra cash on Raptors or a really nice cpu so when the next Set of xxxxgt's come out i can sell ur Card and add 150$ and get the newest GT card but thats just me.


here is the thing.....two 6600GT's would cost you about $500 total when you were looking to upgrade and would give you he performace f a 6800GT....which was $400.

There is nothing on the market now that he can get for this performance....SLI only ever makes (partial) snese when you get two top end cards.

When next gen comes out he can sell both cards and get 1 next gen card, or spend $250 and get two next gen cards.
December 13, 2005 2:22:13 AM

Since you have some time----
Ati released the x1800XT crossfire edition cards today. They are supposed to be cheaper than the 7800GT, but better.
What makes that really significant is that Asus's A8R-MVP is supposed to be one of the best OCing boards they have put out for A64s.
Abit is bringing out it's own crossfire board, the A8T, which should be even better. Bothe boards will sell for less than most Sli boards.
In other words, better graphics better boards, betterOC, less money.
Sounds good to me.
December 13, 2005 3:16:19 AM

Quote:
Since you have some time----
Ati released the x1800XT crossfire edition cards today. They are supposed to be cheaper than the 7800GT, but better.
What makes that really significant is that Asus's A8R-MVP is supposed to be one of the best OCing boards they have put out for A64s.
Abit is bringing out it's own crossfire board, the A8T, which should be even better. Bothe boards will sell for less than most Sli boards.
In other words, better graphics better boards, betterOC, less money.
Sounds good to me.


Thanx i read a couple reviews just now

didn't realize the CF masters were out today....it slipped by me

interesting that the X1800XT CF'd is way close to the 7800GTX 256 but the 512 dominates but a huge margin....i was supprised by that.
December 13, 2005 7:25:10 PM

Okay here's my updated list:

Case
ASPIRE X-Navigator ATXA8NW-GN/500 Black/Green Aluminum ATX Mid Tower Computer Case ATX aluminum 500W see-through Power Supply - Retail

Mobo
ASUS A8N-SLI Premium Socket 939 NVIDIA nForce4 SLI ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail

Video Cards
x2 PNY VCG7800GXWB-C2 Geforce 7800GT 256MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 Video Card with Call of Duty 2 - Retail

PSU
FSP Group (Fortron Source) AX450-PN ATX12V 450W Power Supply - Retail

CPU
AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+ Manchester 1GHz FSB Socket 939 Dual Core Processor Model ADA4200BVBOX - Retail

RAM
OCZ Performance 2GB (2 x 1GB) 184-Pin DDR SDRAM DDR 400 (PC 3200) Unbuffered Dual Channel Kit System Memory Model OCZ4002048PFDC-K - Retail

Floppy Drive
MITSUMI Black 1.44MB 3.5" Internal 8 in 1 Floppy Drive - OEM

HDD
Western Digital Caviar SE WD3200JD 320GB 7200 RPM Serial ATA150 Hard Drive - OEM

Optical Drives
NEC Black IDE/ATAPI DVD Burner Model ND-3550A - OEM

Sound Card
Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi XtremeMusic 8 (7.1) Channels PCI Interface Sound Card - Retail

OS
Microsoft Windows XP Professional With SP2 - OEM

Overall
$2039.34


Good?
December 13, 2005 9:07:12 PM

Yeah it looks super sweet....you're getting two copies of COD2 with your 2 cards? You should give me one.....lol

You are not OC'ing anything?

I see nothing to change....

Maybe adding a case fan or two for airflow, but thats about it.
December 13, 2005 9:33:11 PM

I still don't know how to OC, but whatever, the system should be perfectly fine as it is without OCing, right?

Anyway, would you mind picking me out some cool looking LED fans, that are effective as well?
December 13, 2005 9:42:24 PM

Yeah....just double checking....sorry i dot reread the enitre thread when posting i just look at the bottom 1-2 to remind me....

yeah not a prob bob....120mm? what color?
December 13, 2005 10:20:51 PM

Getting two Raptors in Raid would be a much better gain for the buck compared to the two video cards.
December 13, 2005 10:25:30 PM

Not even close....two raptors in raid-0 (or AID-0 for some pitty people) would give you no increase in games....NONE not a single FPS.

Two gpus....while another $300 woudn't DOUBLE your fps....it should give you a nice 25-60% boost depending on the rig nd game you are playing.
December 13, 2005 10:28:58 PM

Quote:
Not even close....two raptors in raid-0 (or AID-0 for some pitty people) would give you no increase in games....NONE not a single FPS.

Two gpus....while another $300 woudn't DOUBLE your fps....it should give you a nice 25-60% boost depending on the rig nd game you are playing.


What percentage would you say with the rig I have? And for the fans, I don't care, anything that looks appealing, and is effective, and not very expensive, as I've already gone over the amount I wanted to spend already.
December 13, 2005 10:32:18 PM

You will probably get around a 45% boost if i had to put 1 number on it. It will depend on the game as well. but thats a good number to start with.

if you OC your cpu you will get more with your SLI'd cards.
December 13, 2005 11:33:29 PM

You really have to show me some kind of guide to OC.
December 13, 2005 11:42:02 PM

Give me a day or so to find a good one.
I need to find one to link people to.
December 15, 2005 11:59:46 PM

Thanks everyone for their help. Here's the final list of my specs that I just ordered:

Sound Card:
Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi XtremeMusic 8 (7.1) Channels PCI Interface Sound Card

Cooling:
ZALMAN CNPS7000B-AlCu LED 2 Ball Blue LED Light Cooling Fan/Heatsink

PSU:
Antec TRUEPOWER II TP II-550 ATX12V 550W Power Supply

Video Cards:
x2 PNY VCG7800GXWB-C2 Geforce 7800GT 256MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 Video Card with Call of Duty 2

RAM Heatsink:
ZALMAN ZM-RHS1 Aluminium RAM Heatsink

Case:
ASPIRE X-Navigator ATXA8NW-GN/500 Black/Green Aluminum ATX Mid Tower Computer Case ATX aluminum 500W see-through Power Supply

Monitor:
LG L1930B Silver-Black 19" 25ms LCD Monitor

Optical Drive:
NEC Black IDE/ATAPI DVD Burner Model ND-3550A - OEM

Keyboard + Mouse:
Logitech 967496-0403 2-Tone PS/2 RF Wireless Slim Keyboard Mouse Included - OEM

Wireless Router:
LINKSYS WRT54G IEEE 802.11b/g, 802.3 Wireless-G Broadband Router - Retail

Floppy Drive:

MITSUMI Black 1.44MB 3.5" Internal 8 in 1 Floppy Drive - OEM

HDD:
Western Digital Caviar SE WD3200JD 320GB 7200 RPM Serial ATA150 Hard Drive - OEM

OS:
Microsoft Windows XP Professional With SP2 - OEM

RAM:
OCZ Performance 2GB (2 x 1GB) 184-Pin DDR SDRAM DDR 400 (PC 3200) Unbuffered Dual Channel Kit System Memory Model OCZ4002048PFDC-K - Retail

CPU:
AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+ Manchester 1GHz FSB Socket 939 Dual Core Processor Model ADA4200BVBOX - Retail

Speakers:
Logitech X-530 70 Watts 5.1 Speaker - Retail

Mobo:
ASUS A8N-SLI Premium Socket 939 NVIDIA nForce4 SLI ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail

Grand Total: $2691.27
Went above the initial budget, but it's all good.
December 16, 2005 12:36:49 AM

Not to jump in too late or anything,

but 25ms LCD monitor? Maybe I should read some reviews on that LG, but I think thats a little high.
December 16, 2005 12:38:25 AM

Quote:
Not to jump in too late or anything,

but 25ms LCD monitor? Maybe I should read some reviews on that LG, but I think thats a little high.


I don't know, it has 5 eggs on Newegg.com, so I believe it's good.
December 16, 2005 2:13:22 AM

GOOD CALL

25ms LCD will have HUGE ghosting.

look for something 16ms is the highest i would go....12 is better.
December 16, 2005 10:12:21 AM

Okay...So what should I do? Does Newegg accept returns for that?
December 16, 2005 12:02:38 PM

Yeah they should.....just tell newegg you just caught a mistake ordering and you thought it was a different product. They should allow you to return it.

Sorry i didn't catch that, i rarely look a monitors, CD drives, and some other random stuff. I look mostly at the hardware.
December 20, 2005 5:15:55 AM

Sorry to jump in like this, but i just posted a similar question in my thread. Actually, the power supply you told him to replace was one i was looking to upgrade to~! hehe Is there a reason you dislike the Aspire PSU`s ..? I realize its overly pretty, but thats not the ONLY reason i liked it (yes my son is getting a clear acrylic case, so it did look nice) But i had been looking to upgrade from the 450 FSP or Thermaltake 480butterrfly to some 500 PSU, and was considering the Aspire. Can you tell me why not ..?? Again clear and LED were nice, but not my like MAIN reason for liking this PSU. But from what im readin 450 wont be enough for what im plannin (and yeah i decided to go Biostar mobo VNF4SLI for upgradability) You can see my thread if you want Build My Own VS Dell
Thanks! Im almost done with these 3 systems, but power supply ?`s last thing!
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