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Canon ip4000 black ink smearing with highlighter.

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Anonymous
October 15, 2004 5:23:56 PM

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I often print out lists or instructions, and then highlight areas of text
with a yellow highlighter pen.

With my Canon ip4000, the highlighter causes the black text to smear. I
can successfully highlight gray text, or any other color, but not black.

I do not know whether it is the BCI-6BK or the BCI-3eBK. I suspect the
latter, because none of the other BCI-6 colors smear.

When is the BCI-6BK vs. the BCI-3eBK used? Is there a way to tell the
driver properties that you want only a specific black cartridge to be used?

- David
Anonymous
October 16, 2004 12:36:55 AM

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David D. wrote:
> I often print out lists or instructions, and then highlight areas of
> text with a yellow highlighter pen.
>
> With my Canon ip4000, the highlighter causes the black text to smear.
> I can successfully highlight gray text, or any other color, but not
> black.
>
> I do not know whether it is the BCI-6BK or the BCI-3eBK. I suspect
> the latter, because none of the other BCI-6 colors smear.
>
> When is the BCI-6BK vs. the BCI-3eBK used? Is there a way to tell
> the driver properties that you want only a specific black cartridge
> to be used?
>
> - David

From my knowledge, 6bk is only used with photoprinting, while for other
purposes 3ebk is used. This is the whole point and difference between 3000
and 4000 - at 4000 when photo printing, all colors + black are dye type,
while at 3000 black is pigment while colors are dye. This results in less
quality color mixing and at 4000 better photos as a result of better
mixing - since dye and pigmented colors do not mix well.
Anonymous
October 17, 2004 7:36:06 AM

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"SleeperMan" <SleeperMan@too.sleepy> wrote in message
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>
> From my knowledge, 6bk is only used with photoprinting, while for other
> purposes 3ebk is used. This is the whole point and difference between 3000
> and 4000 - at 4000 when photo printing, all colors + black are dye type,
> while at 3000 black is pigment while colors are dye. This results in less
> quality color mixing and at 4000 better photos as a result of better
> mixing - since dye and pigmented colors do not mix well.

I am not sure what constitutes "photo printing". I have tries printing a
MS Word document at photo quality, and I still get smearable black text. I
have screen-captured a gif of a portion of that document in the Word editor,
and printed the gif image from I.E., and I still get smearable black text.

I obviously have not tried all combinations, but, so far, I have not been
able to get non-smearable black text. Gray, and colored text, of course,
can be highlighted without smearing.

- David
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Anonymous
October 17, 2004 1:48:21 PM

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David D. wrote:
> "SleeperMan" <SleeperMan@too.sleepy> wrote in message
> news:p MUbd.4310$F6.1208574@news.siol.net...
>>
>> From my knowledge, 6bk is only used with photoprinting, while for
>> other purposes 3ebk is used. This is the whole point and difference
>> between 3000 and 4000 - at 4000 when photo printing, all colors +
>> black are dye type, while at 3000 black is pigment while colors are
>> dye. This results in less quality color mixing and at 4000 better
>> photos as a result of better mixing - since dye and pigmented colors
>> do not mix well.
>
> I am not sure what constitutes "photo printing". I have tries
> printing a MS Word document at photo quality, and I still get
> smearable black text. I have screen-captured a gif of a portion of
> that document in the Word editor, and printed the gif image from
> I.E., and I still get smearable black text.
>
> I obviously have not tried all combinations, but, so far, I have not
> been able to get non-smearable black text. Gray, and colored text,
> of course, can be highlighted without smearing.
>
> - David

Did you try to state your paper as "photo" or "glossy"? From my knowledge,
highest resolution and photo printinr is turned on only if correct paper is
defined in settings. You can't print at 4800 dpi on normal paper, even at
hightest quality.
So, try photo or glossy on normal paper and see.
Anonymous
October 18, 2004 4:11:19 AM

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"SleeperMan" <SleeperMan@too.sleepy> wrote in message
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>
> Did you try to state your paper as "photo" or "glossy"? From my knowledge,
> highest resolution and photo printinr is turned on only if correct paper
is
> defined in settings. You can't print at 4800 dpi on normal paper, even at
> hightest quality.
> So, try photo or glossy on normal paper and see.
>


Thanks, SleeperMan.

I selected Photo quality and Matte paper and it worked. I printed
non-smearing text on plain paper with that setting.

This is a useful technique for my needs, albeit more expensive than using
the BCI-3eBK. I wish that Canon would revise the 3eBK ink so that it would
not smear so easily. My old Epson 750 never had that problem with its
black ink. Of course it never had the great photo quality that I now get
from my Canon ip4000, either.

- David
Anonymous
October 18, 2004 2:35:30 PM

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David D. wrote:
> "SleeperMan" <SleeperMan@too.sleepy> wrote in message
> news:Hspcd.4383$F6.1222300@news.siol.net...
>>
>> Did you try to state your paper as "photo" or "glossy"? From my
>> knowledge, highest resolution and photo printinr is turned on only
>> if correct paper is defined in settings. You can't print at 4800 dpi
>> on normal paper, even at hightest quality.
>> So, try photo or glossy on normal paper and see.
>>
>
>
> Thanks, SleeperMan.
>
> I selected Photo quality and Matte paper and it worked. I printed
> non-smearing text on plain paper with that setting.
>
> This is a useful technique for my needs, albeit more expensive than
> using the BCI-3eBK. I wish that Canon would revise the 3eBK ink so
> that it would not smear so easily. My old Epson 750 never had that
> problem with its black ink. Of course it never had the great photo
> quality that I now get from my Canon ip4000, either.
>
> - David

Yep...just try to print with somewhat lower quality, since when you select
photo, printer prints with higher quality at same (standard or high) setting
as plain, So, try low quality and see the results.
Anonymous
October 18, 2004 4:31:13 PM

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> I obviously have not tried all combinations, but, so far, I have not been
> able to get non-smearable black text. Gray, and colored text, of course,
> can be highlighted without smearing.
>
> - David
>

Perhaps try changing the hiliter instead of the printing process....Avery
has a 'smearsafe' hiliter (item# 7170978875) that may help. Sanford also
has a dry hiliter (#7164126009).

Cheers,

Jeff H
Anonymous
October 20, 2004 12:53:57 AM

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"SleeperMan" <SleeperMan@too.sleepy> wrote in message
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> Yep...just try to print with somewhat lower quality, since when you select
> photo, printer prints with higher quality at same (standard or high)
setting
> as plain, So, try low quality and see the results.
>

One thing that is truly amazing about the ip4000 is that, unlike my old
Epson, the Canon does not seem to be very sensitive to paper & settings
differences. I seem to get good color tone, values, brightness and
contrast, regardless of whether or not the paper matches the setting, and
whether or not it is a Cannon paper.

- David
Anonymous
October 20, 2004 12:55:05 AM

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Thanks, Jeff.

I check into those highlighters.

- David


"Jeff H" <Iamnot@home.ca> wrote in message
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>
>
> > I obviously have not tried all combinations, but, so far, I have not
been
> > able to get non-smearable black text. Gray, and colored text, of
course,
> > can be highlighted without smearing.
> >
> > - David
> >
>
> Perhaps try changing the hiliter instead of the printing process....Avery
> has a 'smearsafe' hiliter (item# 7170978875) that may help. Sanford also
> has a dry hiliter (#7164126009).
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jeff H
>
>
Anonymous
October 20, 2004 2:36:52 PM

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David D. wrote:
> "SleeperMan" <SleeperMan@too.sleepy> wrote in message
> news:efLcd.4438$F6.1236147@news.siol.net...
>> Yep...just try to print with somewhat lower quality, since when you
>> select photo, printer prints with higher quality at same (standard
>> or high) setting as plain, So, try low quality and see the results.
>>
>
> One thing that is truly amazing about the ip4000 is that, unlike my
> old Epson, the Canon does not seem to be very sensitive to paper &
> settings differences. I seem to get good color tone, values,
> brightness and contrast, regardless of whether or not the paper
> matches the setting, and whether or not it is a Cannon paper.
>
> - David

That's true. But, you can get a paper, which is not suitable for it - like
HP everyday photo semi glossy paper...it just doesn't absorb ink, so it's
useless. But otherwise i tried many different one with my i550 and like you
said, they were all just fine.
!