NT4 WS Installation from PCMCIA

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Hi

I'm trying to install on a machine which dose not have a CDROM Drive.
This is machine is mounted on a DVD manufacturing machinery. It has a CDROM
drive but no any other ports, it has a PCMCIA port.

My question is ... if I copy the Nt4 CDROM content to the PCMCIA 1GB memory
card
then start the installation from the NT4 Boot discs will NT4 detect the
PCMCIA as mass storage and continue the NT4 workstation installation?.

I have tried removing this HDD installed NT4 externally then mounted the HDD
on the machine but this failed in Hardware profile, I cannot do the repair as
I do not have CDROM.
I wanted your input on this and whether PCMCIA will be recognize as mass
storage device?

Please help
Many Thanks
Shankar
 
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If you can remove disk and prepare it externally, You can try following
"workaround":
prepare FAT16 type system partition on begin of disk formatted by MS-DOS
6.22 (see www.bootdisk.com for system floppy image, if you have not any).
Rest of disk space can be preformatted as one or two big NTFS partitions,
depending on disk size and type of use. Copy i386 folder from CD to this
FAT16 partition and return disk back to your machine, boot to DOS, go to
i386 folder and run "WINNT /B" command to start NT setup. If you need more
space then FAT16 partition can hold, direct setup to install to another
(preformatted!) NTFS partition.

Warning! To preformat NTFS partitions on your disk, use only win NT system!
Do not use w2K or WXP, they are using NTFS systems incompatible with NT
setup! It is possible to even install temporary NT instance to first small
FAT partition and use it to repartition rest of disk before setup of final
OS instance. NTFS partitions should be preformatted before start of setup,
as NT setup is able to use preformatted NTFS partitions but it is not able
to format them itself! If you want to install to partition that ends above
first 7.8GB on (E)IDE disk, you need to have updated ATAPI.SYS ver SP4
driver disk and use F6 trick on begin of NT setup to install your OS
properly. Full access to disk space after first 7.8GB of IDE disk you can
get after installing at least SP4 (SP6a recommended, however).

Notes:
maximal size of system FAT16 partition is only 2GB (2047MB) - this
limitation si coming from use of DOS for first installation step. NT based
systems can maintain FAT16 partition up to 4GB, so if you need one partition
in size between 2-4GB, you need to preformat it as FAT16 under NT system or
NT setup (again beware of w2K and WXP as they will format it in FAT32),
boot from DOS floppy and run "sys c:" command to replace NT loader by MS DOS
files.

minimal size depends on chosen Win NT partition scheme (depending on size of
your disk and applications to be installed):
To hold only installation files you need about 150MB of space (they have
only 80MB, but you need to cover slack space and you need also some
manipulation space for NT setup files)
To install minimal NT instance (including i386 folder) you need at least
300MB
To install patched NT and hold install files you need about 450MB at least.
If you wish to install also applications, add application size to this
number.

Standard recommended scheme for large disks:
C: FAT16 partition 500-2047MB, holds NT loader files, installation files and
eventually "secondary" OS instance for fast troubleshoting purposes.
D: NTFS partition up to first 7.8GB, holds main NT OS instance files and
basic applications
E: NTFS partition up to end of disk, holds data, spooler, temporary folder
and eventually also user profiles.


"shan" <shan@discussions.microsoft.com> pí¹e v diskusním pøíspìvku
news:A3B75975-0672-46E2-8489-9B7359F55BD8@microsoft.com...
> Hi
>
> I'm trying to install on a machine which dose not have a CDROM Drive.
> This is machine is mounted on a DVD manufacturing machinery. It has a
CDROM
> drive but no any other ports, it has a PCMCIA port.
>
> My question is ... if I copy the Nt4 CDROM content to the PCMCIA 1GB
memory
> card
> then start the installation from the NT4 Boot discs will NT4 detect the
> PCMCIA as mass storage and continue the NT4 workstation installation?.
>
> I have tried removing this HDD installed NT4 externally then mounted the
HDD
> on the machine but this failed in Hardware profile, I cannot do the repair
as
> I do not have CDROM.
> I wanted your input on this and whether PCMCIA will be recognize as mass
> storage device?
>
> Please help
> Many Thanks
> Shankar
>
 
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Hi Jiri,

Thank you for your response I will try this and let you know the outcome
Cheers
Shankar

"Jiri Tuma" wrote:

> If you can remove disk and prepare it externally, You can try following
> "workaround":
> prepare FAT16 type system partition on begin of disk formatted by MS-DOS
> 6.22 (see www.bootdisk.com for system floppy image, if you have not any).
> Rest of disk space can be preformatted as one or two big NTFS partitions,
> depending on disk size and type of use. Copy i386 folder from CD to this
> FAT16 partition and return disk back to your machine, boot to DOS, go to
> i386 folder and run "WINNT /B" command to start NT setup. If you need more
> space then FAT16 partition can hold, direct setup to install to another
> (preformatted!) NTFS partition.
>
> Warning! To preformat NTFS partitions on your disk, use only win NT system!
> Do not use w2K or WXP, they are using NTFS systems incompatible with NT
> setup! It is possible to even install temporary NT instance to first small
> FAT partition and use it to repartition rest of disk before setup of final
> OS instance. NTFS partitions should be preformatted before start of setup,
> as NT setup is able to use preformatted NTFS partitions but it is not able
> to format them itself! If you want to install to partition that ends above
> first 7.8GB on (E)IDE disk, you need to have updated ATAPI.SYS ver SP4
> driver disk and use F6 trick on begin of NT setup to install your OS
> properly. Full access to disk space after first 7.8GB of IDE disk you can
> get after installing at least SP4 (SP6a recommended, however).
>
> Notes:
> maximal size of system FAT16 partition is only 2GB (2047MB) - this
> limitation si coming from use of DOS for first installation step. NT based
> systems can maintain FAT16 partition up to 4GB, so if you need one partition
> in size between 2-4GB, you need to preformat it as FAT16 under NT system or
> NT setup (again beware of w2K and WXP as they will format it in FAT32),
> boot from DOS floppy and run "sys c:" command to replace NT loader by MS DOS
> files.
>
> minimal size depends on chosen Win NT partition scheme (depending on size of
> your disk and applications to be installed):
> To hold only installation files you need about 150MB of space (they have
> only 80MB, but you need to cover slack space and you need also some
> manipulation space for NT setup files)
> To install minimal NT instance (including i386 folder) you need at least
> 300MB
> To install patched NT and hold install files you need about 450MB at least.
> If you wish to install also applications, add application size to this
> number.
>
> Standard recommended scheme for large disks:
> C: FAT16 partition 500-2047MB, holds NT loader files, installation files and
> eventually "secondary" OS instance for fast troubleshoting purposes.
> D: NTFS partition up to first 7.8GB, holds main NT OS instance files and
> basic applications
> E: NTFS partition up to end of disk, holds data, spooler, temporary folder
> and eventually also user profiles.
>
>
> "shan" <shan@discussions.microsoft.com> pí¹e v diskusním pøíspìvku
> news:A3B75975-0672-46E2-8489-9B7359F55BD8@microsoft.com...
> > Hi
> >
> > I'm trying to install on a machine which dose not have a CDROM Drive.
> > This is machine is mounted on a DVD manufacturing machinery. It has a
> CDROM
> > drive but no any other ports, it has a PCMCIA port.
> >
> > My question is ... if I copy the Nt4 CDROM content to the PCMCIA 1GB
> memory
> > card
> > then start the installation from the NT4 Boot discs will NT4 detect the
> > PCMCIA as mass storage and continue the NT4 workstation installation?.
> >
> > I have tried removing this HDD installed NT4 externally then mounted the
> HDD
> > on the machine but this failed in Hardware profile, I cannot do the repair
> as
> > I do not have CDROM.
> > I wanted your input on this and whether PCMCIA will be recognize as mass
> > storage device?
> >
> > Please help
> > Many Thanks
> > Shankar
> >
>
>
>
 

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