So help me, I will burn a flag!

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If this insipid amendment passes and states end up ratifying it, I will burn a fuc*king flag in defiance. From my point of view, any such amendment would be a desicration to the constitution.

Now our politicians want to pass laws for the sake of passing laws.

What do ya'll think?

Freedom of speech allows people to burn the flags... If we don't allow it, we might as well turn ourselves into China or something...

I don't agree with it, but I understand that it's someone's right to do it if they choose.

The beauty of it is that's how you're supposed to discard of old flags.

Yet again, another act of subterfuge. I sure hope my fellow lame-brained
Americans are finally beginning to catch on...sigh.

Since I'm dreaming, I'd also like a Porsche 911 Turbo.

Right, but as I said yesterday in our discussion here at work, the VFW disposing of flags is a lot different than some jackass expressing himself...

What are the flag rules in other parts of the world, guys? Is burning allowed or no?

I don't think we need any laws designed to specificly prevent this...But...But So help me God I Will Bash the skull of anyone I witness first hand doing so with a baseball bat without regard for the reprecussions...

You might as well head to france and piss on all the graves of those who died storming Normandy...What ??? Not the same thing you say?? I bet if you were able to ask them they'd say it was.

I have a little ritual I do every Memorial Day & Veterans day...

I have a V.F.W. hall 6 blocks from my house,every Memorial Day & Veterans day I stroll down there (and its come to a point now that they all have a little vote to see which one gets to sign me into the guest book) And buy several rounds for all members present...Then I give a speech of thanks to all for their sacrifice... I never got to talk to my father about his service in WWII since he left when I was 10 and heard of his death in 1999 from one of his cousins,but he served on a destroyer in the pacific & was involved in the battle for Leyte gulf...I still have the "MeatBall" flag he swiped off the mast of a Jap destroyer they captured and scuttled tward the end of the war...
Any way the honar of simply thanking those tear filled eyes is something very few Americans have never & will never experience because they're too dam busy pissing & moaning over arguements such as this without ever stoping to think what the hell that flag really represents.

I will gladly go to jail for assault with a deadly weapon for bashing as many flag burning assholes as I can simply so they can assert their 1st Amendment rights...Go ahead & crawl up the A.C.L.U.'s ass as far as you like...I'll pull you out covered in shit & bash some more...

It started as a simple honar for my ex- girlfriends father who was a bar tender there when he died...A crusty old bastard who I owe far more too then I do my father... then it just blossomed....

I couldn't agree more!!!!

I have my own rituals & a 20' lighted flag pole.... I fly the "Stars & Bars" 24 / 7 / 365 In honor of those serving everyday.....

Don't get me wrong, I don't advocate burning the flag by any means. But passing a constitutional amendment banning it trivializes our values set forth in the bill of rights. I'm not the only one who opposes it... John McCain said he's even offended by such an amendment.

You can be a patriot and believe that people should be free to burn the flag. I would even argue that one is more of a patriot for allowing others to burn the flag.

Now that that's done with... here's the GREATEST play ever made in the game of baseball. A must see (very relevant to this discussion too).

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Sometimes when I post in the right thread I can come up with something worthwhile.

I think you're due to come up with something worthwhile yourself. You're nearing 20k in post and nothing yet.

I agree. As much as I want to pistol whip anyone who burns the U.S. flag in the face, I also know that it is their right as protected under the first amendment.

I like the idea because it will greatly reduce the number of pseudo-patriotic white trash living in the US.

Oh, and for the chuckle I'd get when terrorists bomb something with a truck-load of american flags.

Hmmm... I didn't find that video funny. But I didn't find it offensive either.

But it's obvious the guy never served in the military.

I don't quite understand your logic. What does my choice of where to live have anything to do with [my dislike for idiots who would inevitably blow themselves up, including] american white-trash?

I'm thinking "flag that goes boom" = ...

"Hey pa! Look at this here thingy go boom!" or maybe "Now where'd ma darned cigare-?"

Everyday items containing high-explosives would greatly accelerate the rate of human evolution, neh?

Uh, yes.

You see, riser said his part, Auburn said he liked it and I chipped in my sarcastic bit about liking it as well, for all the wrong reasons.

You make a good point about the sacrifice. Not many politicians have children in the military. Furthermore, not a whole lot of politicians served in the military.

Orin Hatch (the one who introduced this amendment) never even served a day in his life in the military.

I think that before he goes and cites all the veterans who died for the flag, he should get some perspective. How the hell does he know what it's like to serve?

He doesn't.

Now I'm not saying that just 'cause u haven't served doesn't mean u know the value of it or that your any less of a patriot. I'm just saying that before you go throwing veterans into it, u better be one. Otherwise, leave veterans out of the whole thing. It's a cheap shot.

Actually, there's no difference. Capital Hill and their 'friends' are this
country. And sadly, since WWII and Korea, most have gone, fought, and died,
simply because they were told to.

"I consider them to be symbols, and I leave symbols to the symbol-minded." -Carlin.

Dude, it's a bunch of material. That's it. Nothing more, nothing less. People haven't
died for the f*cking flag. They died for our country. Big difference there. So, maybe
the flag represents our country, but define that.

The country who's leaders give themselves raises, but votes against raising the
minimum wage? The country who's leaders will sell out at the first sign of green,
the public health, security, rights be damned? The country run by a group
of old, rich, white, males who couldn't give two sh!ts about you? The country
who's leaders preach all this bullsh*t about patriotism and blah, blah, blah,
but do everything in their power (and daddies) to avoid the very sacrifice
the insist you make if you enlist?

If this country was all it pretends to be, I may be more inclined to agree
with you. But, alas, it's not. Never was either. So gimmi' a lighter, gimmi'
a flag, and bring your bat.
wait a second, you want them to raise minimum raise?

making the people who actually earn the pay they get less significant, making it easier to hire lower paid illegal immigrants????

that doesnt make any sense...


edit:bad spelling

Not raising the minimum wage and f*cking a large group of our population
because a small minority of it is illegal is what doesn't make sense, sir.

I guess I look at the flag differently, having laid my life on the line for it... No, it didn't represent the people of DC at the time.... It represented my County, myself as a defender of that Country & it still does!!!!!!

If they raise minimum wage, I'm going to be pissed.

I hardly know anyone who makes minimum wage. Cashiers, stock boys, very few do. If they raise that, all the stupid cheap things, $1 foods at McDonalds would start going up in pricing to compensate.

No major benefit from it except people get an underserved raise. Go to college and get a better job. Leave the minimum wage jobs to teenagers.

I suggest you find a collective group of veterans who have been in combat.
There's a misunderstanding in this country that the bulk of Viet Nam & Korean war vets are resentful of :

A; Their country, for ordering them to fight someone els's war.

B; WWII vets for recieving accolade from the populace in general while they were seen as merely puppets of un-just administrations.

To those who believe points A & B congratulations for being the puppets of hollywood & the liberal left...While most of what they say is true to an extent,you have been led to believe this constitutes the majority of those who served...This is flat out false.

Having talked to many who served in all 4 major conflicts since 1941 (Including Desert Storm) I havent found one who after their tasks were complete thought that there was anything un-just in the actions of themselves nor their leaders...Viet Nam vets (The ones with the most rights to bitch) do question the way the war was planned & carried out (The biggest fook up in U.S. military history) but from what I could gather first hand not one question the motive behind the war and each has his own personal story of what made them proud to be there. These are generaly the same sentiments shared by Korean war vets.

Viet Nam vets were treated rather poorly by this country for many years...Why is this?
Because of the slander they suffered at the hands of the media...The power of the media to sway public opinion back in the 60's & 70's was massive as compared to today...We had barely put June Cleaver & Father Knows best behind us..If it turned up on the nightly news it had to be fact. Why would Walter Cronkite lie to us???...Well he didn't Lie,He simply took isolated incidents & painted them with the broadest brush possible.

King you seem to be under the impression (as many were during the Johnson & Nixon administrations) that we cant't "Take The Country Back" from those you believe are truly in power...I say we can with the vote. Start by voting out that azzhole mayor that gets his driveway paved by your local public works dept. Then move on to your state legislature that takes kickbacks from construction companies and so on and so forth...Lack of involvment in government by the common man is what leads to the azzholes who hold office being able to run amok...
Be honest how many people select who their going to vote for by simply looking at the sample ballot only & the mailings you get the last 2 weeks before elections?

Christ.. do some research, All those vets died so you would have the ability to change the way things are run.
Rolling over & saying they've put chit on my plate so I guess I'll eat chit dishonars those who fought for your right to dump that chit off & say I want steak Dammit!!

Thats what that flag stands for...The people who died so you can throw that plate of chit in the face of who You think it stands for

I'm not sure I believe the whole "price of things go up" argument. I'll give you 3 examples:

1. Washington state has its own minimum wage law. $7.25 I believe. The price of food from McDonalds is the same there as it is anywhere else.

2. Santa Fe, NM has a minimum wage law. I go up there about once a month for business. The minimum wage is $9.50 (seriously). Again, the price of fast food and just about everything else is the same there as it is anywhere else.

3. Albuquerque, NM (where I live) has a minimum wage law. $7.15. Same story.

I travel quite a bit and don't eat very well. All the fast food chains have almost identical prices. And remember that these are franchises. They <are> able to raise the price of their food w/o permission from Mickey D's HQ.

More and more states and cities are passing minimum wages laws... so the low federal minimum wage law is going to become moot eventually anyways. Might as well just raise it. If you don't, you're going to have cities like Santa Fe that are going overboard w/ the minimum wage. By 2008, Santa Fe's minimum wage will be $11.50 an hour. That's no joke.

I'd rather see minimum wage run on a state-by-state than an umbrella gov't issue.

I travel a lot and I know for a fact that fast food has a significant difference in pricing from Toledo to Philadelphia. NYC is far more expensive than Toledo, a little more than Philly.

Bread here costs about $1.69 a loaf. Milk, $1.99/gallon. Unfortunately, that's what Cost Of Living is based off... standard things everywhere, mainly food and rent.

If the states ran it, I think it would be better because they have more control over their own economy.

If minimum wage was raised here, we'd have more 'working class' living as well as someone in another state with a degree working hard.

Case in point, my ex-gf works for Lockheed Martin on Satellites. OK, that requires a damn good degree, etc. She moved out there with 3 years experience, getting paid $54,000 her first year. Seems like a good amount of money leaving this area (low cost of living, making $54,000 would afford you a nice living). She gets out there and can't afford her first apartment, kills her savings until her lease is up.

To raise it accord the board would be stupid. People where I live wouldn't want to get degrees, go to college, do more, because they would have more doing less because minimum wage would be good enough.

My neighbor makes $7.50 an hour, she splits her $750 rent with a friend, raises a 3 year old, has a new car, and still has money to go out and buy clothes at Express.. all without child support.

That's my argument. Raise minimum wage in high COL areas, not my area. I don't want these fockers to be able to afford automatic weapons over the semi.

But you can nick a lot more than that per hour, eh?