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Anonymous
March 27, 2005 5:46:03 PM

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Just so I don't make a complete ass of myself talking to controllers, I was
hoping someone here might know of a website where a basic rundown is given
of appropriate comm procedures.

Example: must one request start-up?
How about clearance for pushback?
Do controllers generally use RL comm procedures or FS comm procedures?
What frequency to use when?

That sorta thing....
I did a Google, but all I got were RL comm procedures.

--

Marcel
(That's no moon...it's a space station!)

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Anonymous
March 27, 2005 5:46:04 PM

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Depends on which Net you run on. Try the following links they both have
Pilot Resources or Pilot Training

www.IVAO.org or
www.VATSIM.net

Harry

"Marcel Kuijper" <zoepetier_nothing_here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Just so I don't make a complete ass of myself talking to controllers, I
> was
> hoping someone here might know of a website where a basic rundown is given
> of appropriate comm procedures.
>
> Example: must one request start-up?
> How about clearance for pushback?
> Do controllers generally use RL comm procedures or FS comm procedures?
> What frequency to use when?
>
> That sorta thing....
> I did a Google, but all I got were RL comm procedures.
>
> --
>
> Marcel
> (That's no moon...it's a space station!)
March 27, 2005 5:46:04 PM

Archived from groups: alt.games.microsoft.flight-sim (More info?)

"Marcel Kuijper" <zoepetier_nothing_here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Just so I don't make a complete ass of myself talking to controllers, I
> was
> hoping someone here might know of a website where a basic rundown is given
> of appropriate comm procedures.
>
> Example: must one request start-up?
> How about clearance for pushback?
> Do controllers generally use RL comm procedures or FS comm procedures?
> What frequency to use when?
>
> That sorta thing....
> I did a Google, but all I got were RL comm procedures.
>
> --
>
> Marcel
> (That's no moon...it's a space station!)

Marcel,

I don't have a link except to the training resources at vatsim or ivao which
is quite long and I suspect you want to get going quickly. Here is a brief
overview.

The procedures used by ATC is real world. Bear in mind some controllers have
real world experience others are trained like myself although I have real
world experience as a pilot which helped a lot
..
File your flight plan in SB3. Select aircraft type, livery etc etc

SB3 window displays controllers nearest to you and their frequencies.

Tune freq in radio on com 1 for nearest controller ...could either be ground
/Tower/Dep/Approach or a Center. The freq and controller will automatically
set SB3 to voice/text depending on the controllers set up. Voice is very
common although some controllers still feel uncomfortable and revert to
text. Choice is also yours in SB3.

Call and request clearance as filed

Controller will issue clearance with any other req...e.g. fly rwy hdg climb
to 6000 ft etc etc.

Read back clearance

Request pushback and taxi to active

Controller will clear to taxi to active, hold short or pos and hold and them
clear for take off

Once airborne handoffs will start if all positions staffed so be ready for
Tower to hand off to dep/app and then to Center fro final cruise.

Expect reverse on arrival.

Takes some practice but its not too difficult

Let me know if I can help further
Bill
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March 27, 2005 5:46:04 PM

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Marcel Kuijper wrote:
> Just so I don't make a complete ass of myself talking to controllers,
> I was hoping someone here might know of a website where a basic
> rundown is given of appropriate comm procedures.
>
> Example: must one request start-up?
> How about clearance for pushback?
> Do controllers generally use RL comm procedures or FS comm procedures?
> What frequency to use when?
>
> That sorta thing....
> I did a Google, but all I got were RL comm procedures.

Marcel,

Have a look here...

http://vateur.org/faq.htm

In brief though, procedures will vary from airport to airport and depending
on what a/c you fly. If you want a gentle introduction, take your favoruite
light aircraft along to a small field where the controller will have time to
talk you through things. I currently control at Biggin Hill in the UK (EGKB)
on VATSIM and am on there most evenings when I can be.

Another good way is simply to connect up at a busy field and sit on the
apron, just listening to ATC going on around. If you file a flight plan that
says something like "Observing ATC comms only", then the controllers won't
bother you.

An alternative is to download the controller software, and then connect up
as an observer. This again gives you plenty of opportunity to sit quietly
and observe comms.

You will find a wealth of info on the VATSIM sites (and not to be biased,
I'm sure IVAO would be just as helpful, though I have no experience of
that).

As a final point, in Europe you will likely find that the comms procedures
used aren't quite the same as in the AI FS comms, since those are based on
American procedures.

Hope this helps,

Tim
Anonymous
March 27, 2005 7:18:41 PM

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On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 07:49:16 -0500, phrgflyer wrote:

> Depends on which Net you run on. Try the following links they both have
> Pilot Resources or Pilot Training
>
> www.IVAO.org or
> www.VATSIM.net

I intend to fly on VATSIM, where I already have an account.
Weird thing is that I ran SB3 to test it everything, I logged in using my
account info and no problems. But getting into the PRC is a no-go.
I've e-mailed them, so I'm awaiting a reply from them.
Until then I can't get into the PRC.

I had a look on IVAO and was amazed at how much of a run-around I get from
that site. I'll spend some more time on it tonight and have a closer look.
Thanks, Harry.

--

Marcel
(If you've gotta be part of a group, be part of a group of simmers!)
Anonymous
March 27, 2005 8:55:23 PM

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On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 07:55:09 -0500, William wrote:

> I don't have a link except to the training resources at vatsim or ivao which
> is quite long and I suspect you want to get going quickly. Here is a brief
> overview.

If there's one thing I've learned over the years....if you want to do it
right, don't do it quickly. :-)

I've come across manuals that take hours to read (top to bottom) in order
to fully understand the aircraft or procedures. So I've learned to make
more time for reading manuals.

<snipped what I knew>
> Call and request clearance as filed
>
> Controller will issue clearance with any other req...e.g. fly rwy hdg climb
> to 6000 ft etc etc.
>
> Read back clearance
>
> Request pushback and taxi to active
>
> Controller will clear to taxi to active, hold short or pos and hold and them
> clear for take off
>
> Once airborne handoffs will start if all positions staffed so be ready for
> Tower to hand off to dep/app and then to Center fro final cruise.
>
> Expect reverse on arrival.
>
> Takes some practice but its not too difficult

That's pretty much the same as the transmissions in the sim.
(with that I mean between the sim-ATC and the sim-pilot)

I guess I was hoping there was more to it since it sounds so different on
the scanner. Much faster, sometimes impossible to understand, and then
ofcourse there's the language/accent thing that will be weird to get used
to for a regular simmer.

> Let me know if I can help further

Thanks, Bill. I might have to take you up on that. :-)

--

Marcel
(There's no such thing as a natural-born pilot. - Chuck Yeager)
Anonymous
March 27, 2005 9:01:32 PM

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On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 13:42:16 GMT, Tim wrote:

> Have a look here...
>
> http://vateur.org/faq.htm
>
> In brief though, procedures will vary from airport to airport and depending
> on what a/c you fly. If you want a gentle introduction, take your favoruite
> light aircraft along to a small field where the controller will have time to
> talk you through things. I currently control at Biggin Hill in the UK (EGKB)
> on VATSIM and am on there most evenings when I can be.
>
> Another good way is simply to connect up at a busy field and sit on the
> apron, just listening to ATC going on around. If you file a flight plan that
> says something like "Observing ATC comms only", then the controllers won't
> bother you.
>
> An alternative is to download the controller software, and then connect up
> as an observer. This again gives you plenty of opportunity to sit quietly
> and observe comms.
>
> You will find a wealth of info on the VATSIM sites (and not to be biased,
> I'm sure IVAO would be just as helpful, though I have no experience of
> that).
>
> As a final point, in Europe you will likely find that the comms procedures
> used aren't quite the same as in the AI FS comms, since those are based on
> American procedures.
>
> Hope this helps,

To quote Varmit "I love this group!!"

That's a very helpful site. Now bookmarked and ready to read.
Good to know you're at Biggin Hill. I started a round-the-world trip from
there just a little while ago and I've been to the airshow last year (I
flew in on a MAC DC-3!).

I think Biggin Hill might be a good place for some training.

Thanks, Tim!

--

Marcel
(...travelling through hyperspace ain't like dusting crops, boy!)
Anonymous
March 27, 2005 9:40:24 PM

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Marcel,

Try this tutorial. I've done it myself in the past and it works:

http://www.speedbirdonline.co.uk/training.html

Look on the left side of the page for the "online flying guide" by Lee
James.

HTH

Geoff

"Marcel Kuijper" <zoepetier_nothing_here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 13:42:16 GMT, Tim wrote:
>
> > Have a look here...
> >
> > http://vateur.org/faq.htm
> >
> > In brief though, procedures will vary from airport to airport and
depending
> > on what a/c you fly. If you want a gentle introduction, take your
favoruite
> > light aircraft along to a small field where the controller will have
time to
> > talk you through things. I currently control at Biggin Hill in the UK
(EGKB)
> > on VATSIM and am on there most evenings when I can be.
> >
> > Another good way is simply to connect up at a busy field and sit on the
> > apron, just listening to ATC going on around. If you file a flight plan
that
> > says something like "Observing ATC comms only", then the controllers
won't
> > bother you.
> >
> > An alternative is to download the controller software, and then connect
up
> > as an observer. This again gives you plenty of opportunity to sit
quietly
> > and observe comms.
> >
> > You will find a wealth of info on the VATSIM sites (and not to be
biased,
> > I'm sure IVAO would be just as helpful, though I have no experience of
> > that).
> >
> > As a final point, in Europe you will likely find that the comms
procedures
> > used aren't quite the same as in the AI FS comms, since those are based
on
> > American procedures.
> >
> > Hope this helps,
>
> To quote Varmit "I love this group!!"
>
> That's a very helpful site. Now bookmarked and ready to read.
> Good to know you're at Biggin Hill. I started a round-the-world trip from
> there just a little while ago and I've been to the airshow last year (I
> flew in on a MAC DC-3!).
>
> I think Biggin Hill might be a good place for some training.
>
> Thanks, Tim!
>
> --
>
> Marcel
> (...travelling through hyperspace ain't like dusting crops, boy!)
Anonymous
March 27, 2005 11:28:30 PM

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On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 17:40:24 +0100, GeoffC wrote:

> Marcel,
>
> Try this tutorial. I've done it myself in the past and it works:
>
> http://www.speedbirdonline.co.uk/training.html
>
> Look on the left side of the page for the "online flying guide" by Lee
> James.


Oh goodie!! More useful stuff.....by tomorrow I should be an expert. ;-)

Thanks Geoff!

--

Marcel
(It's good to be the king! - Mel Brooks)
Anonymous
March 27, 2005 11:28:31 PM

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An expert by tomorrow mmmmm!!!. Knowing you as I do I think I know where
the safe money is LOL.

Hope it get you going all the same.

Geoff


"Marcel Kuijper" <zoepetier_nothing_here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:148chnxj02b57.vk2k7l4tu2km$.dlg@40tude.net...
> On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 17:40:24 +0100, GeoffC wrote:
>
> > Marcel,
> >
> > Try this tutorial. I've done it myself in the past and it works:
> >
> > http://www.speedbirdonline.co.uk/training.html
> >
> > Look on the left side of the page for the "online flying guide" by Lee
> > James.
>
>
> Oh goodie!! More useful stuff.....by tomorrow I should be an expert. ;-)
>
> Thanks Geoff!
>
> --
>
> Marcel
> (It's good to be the king! - Mel Brooks)
March 28, 2005 7:33:56 AM

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Marcel Kuijper wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 07:49:16 -0500, phrgflyer wrote:
>
>> Depends on which Net you run on. Try the following links they both
>> have Pilot Resources or Pilot Training
>>
>> www.IVAO.org or
>> www.VATSIM.net
>
> I intend to fly on VATSIM, where I already have an account.
> Weird thing is that I ran SB3 to test it everything, I logged in
> using my account info and no problems. But getting into the PRC is a
> no-go.
> I've e-mailed them, so I'm awaiting a reply from them.
> Until then I can't get into the PRC.
>
> I had a look on IVAO and was amazed at how much of a run-around I get
> from that site. I'll spend some more time on it tonight and have a
> closer look. Thanks, Harry.

You may have already done this Marcel. But did you get yourself another
password for the PRC? You use your user ID for Vatsim but you can't use the
password you use for Vatsim. Follow the link on the right hand side of the
PRC login page to get your PRC password.
Anonymous
March 28, 2005 5:54:24 PM

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On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 03:33:56 GMT, TR wrote:

> You may have already done this Marcel. But did you get yourself another
> password for the PRC? You use your user ID for Vatsim but you can't use the
> password you use for Vatsim. Follow the link on the right hand side of the
> PRC login page to get your PRC password.

I thought they were the same??
I'll get on it. Thanks, TR!

--

Marcel
(You've got clearance, Clarence. Roger, Roger. What's our vector, Victor?)
!