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More info?)
Thanks for the link, I had look for it for few days already.
Now, That explain much better, but still excuse my dummy'nance, but still
have questions
In both senarios we are using SBS 2003 for Exchange and ...
Now, when I have, let say, 10 users connecting to the computer running
Windows Server 2003 in TS via RDP,
How does it goes with the licenses ?
Right now I have all users home directories residing on SBS, which mean that
all users have to authenticate to SBS in order to get to there "roaming"
profiles. Does it also means that a CAL's is required for each user? or only
one for the TS computer?
In both cases, would it be better to move all Users directory to the local
TS, fist less networking access, and second since all connecting computer
(Thin Clients) will already have their license on TS therefore the only
extra license to connect to SBS would be the users that requires Exchange
and ISA access.
/------/
¦ S ¦
¦ B ¦
¦ S ¦
------
¦
/------/
¦ T ¦ ----- client 1 with Outlook + ISA
¦ S ¦ ----- client 2 with ISA
¦ ¦ ----- client ...
------ ----- client 10 with Outlook
I suppose that every authenticated network shared connection to SBS is
required a CAL, so moving most of it to TS would reduced the required number
of CAL's for SBS, or since each comptuter would already have a CAL to
connect to TS that would take care of SBS's CAL's ???
So in this senario, what services from SBS would require a CAL and what
type?
Andre
"Vera Noest [MVP]" <vera.noest@remove-this.hem.utfors.se> wrote in message
news:Xns9590E2FC45E8Fveranoesthemutforsse@207.46.248.16...
> Your scenario 1 is correct, but 2 is not:
>
> You can choose between Per User and Per Device licenses, both for
> server CALs and TS CALs.
> Let's for simplicity reasons assume that you buy all Per Device
> licenses (the 5 CALs that came with your server probably are).
> You would never need more (nor less) server CALs as you have
> devices. A single Device CAL gives you the right to connect both
> to the SBS (for authentication, etc) as well as to the TS. And
> then you would need a Per Device TS CAL for every device.
>
> You don't need licenses for printers or other devices.
>
> To claim your transition TS CALs for XP Pro desktops, you only
> need the license key. You enter it in the website and receive a TS
> CAL license key.
>
> Terminal Server CAL Transition Plan FAQ
>
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/howtobuy/licensing/tsca
> ltransfaq.mspx
>
> --
> Vera Noest
> MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
>
http://hem.fyristorg.com/vera/IT
> --- please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ---
>
>
> "Andre" <nomade1999@hotmail.com> wrote on 28 okt 2004 in
> microsoft.public.windowsnt.terminalserver.client:
>
>> Ok, I am getting confused here, sorry to ask again but before we
>> spend the money or make plans I want to make sure I understand
>> correctly.
>>
>> 2 senarios:
>>
>> 1 - SBS 2003 (5 CALS included)
>> we then uses 10 WS (XP Pro), each of them has an OS license
>> and we need
>> for SBS 5 more Device CAL's
>> TOTAL: 5 CAL's
>>
>> 2- SBS 2003 + TS 2003
>> we then use 10 Thin Clients (XPe, XP Pro or CE) and we need
>> 5 more CAL's
>> for SBS, and 10 for TS
>> TOTAL: 15 CAL's
>>
>> Do we also need for the printers, scanners or other devices?
>>
>>
>> Also, what is required to Upgrade our XP Pro licenses that were
>> bought before April 24, 2003? Is the Key sufficiant? or we do
>> need a copy of the purchase? In case of purchase, most of them
>> we included with the computer, therefore there is no way to tell
>> which license what bought with wich PC.
>>
>> Andre
>>
>> "Vera Noest [MVP]" <vera.noest@remove-this.hem.utfors.se> wrote
>> in message
>> news:Xns958FB65B8Cveranoesthemutforsse@207.46.248.16...
>>> Since you run Windows 2003 on your Terminal Server, *all*
>>> clients need a 2003 TS CAL.
>>> W2K Pro and XP Pro clients receive a free TS CAL from the TS
>>> Licensing Server when they connect to a W2K TS, *not* to a 2003
>>> TS. You can, however, get a free transition TS CAL for every XP
>>> Pro desktop that you owned before 24 April 2003 (the release
>>> date of 2003).
>>>
>>> Windows CE is not threated in the same way as XP. Even when
>>> they connect to W2K TS, Windows CE needs a purchased TS CAL.
>>>
>>> Note that "per seat" is not a valid concept anymore. W2K can be
>>> licensed per seat or per server, for 2003 you buy "Per User" or
>>> "Per Device" licenses, both server CALs and TS CALs.
>>>
>>> This might be worth reading:
>>>
>>> What's New in Windows Server 2003 Licensing
>>>
>
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/howtobuy/licensing/ov
>>> er view.mspx
>>>
>>> Windows Server 2003 Pricing and Licensing FAQ
>>>
>
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/howtobuy/licensing/pr
>>> ic licfaq.mspx
>>>
>>> --
>>> Vera Noest
>>> MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
>>>
http://hem.fyristorg.com/vera/IT
>>> --- please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ---
>>>
>>> "Andre" <nomade1999@hotmail.com> wrote on 26 okt 2004 in
>>> microsoft.public.windowsnt.terminalserver.client:
>>>
>>>> Thanks Jeff,
>>>> I'm doing fine, just that SBS has been a full time job with
>>>> all the patches and settings...
>>>>
>>>> So you said 15 device CALS for SBS, then X User CALS for TS?
>>>>
>>>> Now, DI was under the impression that each terminals which
>>>> will be running XP Pro or Windows CE had there own licenses to
>>>> connect to TS...
>>>>
>>>> I have configured TS on a perseat licence, but SBS is per
>>>> DEVICE.
>>>>
>>>> This is still unclear as why we need to buy more licences if
>>>> we already bought licences with XP Pro. I believe that CE is
>>>> the same.
>>>>
>>>> Now, that would mean that we will need over 30 lincenses to
>>>> run on a network with less than 15 computers with licences...
>>>> good way to make MS$$$
>>>>
>>>> Now, I am doing the computer budget and I need to explain a
>>>> bit more in depth as how exactly it works. The reference I
>>>> found at MS is not very clear as how this work in the
>>>> mentionned configuration.
>>>>
>>>> As for connecting to Exchange we only have few email accounts,
>>>> the rest of the users don't have nor wil lhave emails.
>>>>
>>>> Now, if I keep SBS for Exchange and ISA only, and move
>>>> everything else on the TS, would that save me lincense since
>>>> all WS will have there own licences?
>>>>
>>>> And the last but not least question is; Will SBS lock us down
>>>> if we exceed the number of users/computer? I need to know,
>>>> because if so I need to push them, with strong arguments, that
>>>> they need to allocate urgently budget for the CALS before we
>>>> all get lock out.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Andre
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Jeff L" <newsgroups_jeff@availabletech.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:eDHstrzuEHA.4084@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Andre,
>>>>>
>>>>> How are you....
>>>>>
>>>>> You need to aquire licenses for each office user.
>>>>> Additionally you need terminal server licenses for each user.
>>>>>
>>>>> Additionally it seems that you need 15 Device Cals for SBS. I
>>>>> do not recommend using user cals in this application since
>>>>> you will have more users than devices.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Jeff Loucks [SBS MVP]
>>>>> Available Technology ®
>>>>> Solutions For Professionals ®
>>>>> www.availabletechnology.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Andre" <nomade1999@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:ePSsCdzuEHA.2832@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> We have SBS 2003 Premium Edition, where I installed ISA and
>>>>>> SQL Server (for futur use?)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now, we have currently 2x win98 and 7x XPPro
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We are planning to make some major change, all to XP Pro or
>>>>>> Windows CE+RDC
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 5 would actually be Thin Clients connecting via RDP to a
>>>>>> Windows Server 2003 to run our POS application.
>>>>>> 6 WS or Thin Clients (??? XP or CE ???) would be running
>>>>>> Office 2003, Outlook, and some other accounting and
>>>>>> management programs. 2 of them are Laptops running the same
>>>>>> apps. 2-4 Internet Cafe WS, but not connecting to the Domain
>>>>>> (of course).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So we have SBS 2003 Premium (5 CALs) and Windoes Server
>>>>>> Standard 2003 configured in Terminal and Application Server.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One of my plan is also to offload the SBS server by moving
>>>>>> the "roaming" profiles to the TS server???
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How would the licensing goes with this?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Andre
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