X2 3800 OR THE 4000 64 FOR GAMING

Hello i am upgrading from a 3000+xp agp (bought 2 weeks ago) agp 8x 6800gs 2gb of corsiar 200gbmaxtor s-ata 16mbcache audigy2 sound card lightscribe benq in a lanboy2 case with a true blue 480 psu.

Now i am in a crazy delemia I have had a chance to make a good amount of money and i would like to upgrade my mother board and processer. I have picked the motherboard already a8v-uayz asus agp 8x. Now the delemia is to get a 4000 64 san dieago or a x2 3800 manchester or even a 4200 if i can afford it, all i do is game, battlefield,fear,cod2,etc I have been getting crazy mixed messages from the froms not getting the right questions answered, i like the cache size on the 4000 1mb @2.4 and the the 3800 x2 is only 2.0ghz and 512 cache should i wait to make the big leap to dual or buy the 4000 and stay in single core? PLZ HELP AND NO MIXED REVEIWS PLZ THNX I HOPE I GET AN ANSWER SOON ps i run a antivirus/firewall 24/7 like every online player

But running these background programs people been doing it for years will it really make a diffrence making a cpu fully dedicated for gaming with lowers ghz and lower casche, and with the hotfixs for multi-threading does it increase fps with a multi-threading patches offered by cod2 or quake and future games

if ur gonna stay agp my recommendation is to get a socket 754 as they are incredably cheap, i got a 3700+ and a mobo for 200 bux... mobo isnt the greatest but its stable, if u dont wish to overclock then i believe this is the best choice for you, considering people who buy 939 are usually buying them with pci express to "future proof" since u have an agp card i suggest u spend 200ish on a socket 754 3700+ with mobo and use the rest of other stuff.. like soundcard if u dont have 1, that can help boost fps.. this is just my opinion, its also what i have done, this is because by the time your looking to upgrade ur cpu ur video card will be outdated more than the cpu, so an entire system overhaul would be needed and then move to pci express and socket 940 or 939..

That Could = A Nice Mid-Range Too

The 754 Will Give You Memory Bottleneck Due To The Fact That It Has A Single Channel Memory Controller...... And The Socket 939s Are Dual-Channel (Double The Bandwidth) And Dual-Core Doess Make A Diffy (If You Use An Nvidia With The Latest Drivers Due To The Dual-Core Enhancments) And The Socket 939 Stuff Is Only A Few $$ More But You Will Get Better Performance... But Thats Your Choice I Was Just Giving My Opinion

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lol i could be like that if i had my own paypal account .. my parents dont let me buy new computer stuff thats over like 200 bux so i have to make due... hence the reason why i have

amd 754 3700+
x700pro 256 mb 128 bit
1gb corsair
thermaltake tsunami
chaintech nforce3
soon to have xfi soundcard

Lol so ya when do i start waiting for real answers plz i just want to know performance wize what would be better bang for my buck 400064 $399 and the starting daul is $379 4200 $469 and so on i just want to know whats the best bang for like $450 for a cpu for a 939pin with my agp card for bassicly just gaming with a anti-vir or avg running never both. plz i'm in desprite need this money is buring a hole in my pocket i'm leaning towards the 4000 cuz of the 1mb cache and 2.4ghz core plz don't make me regreat my dicision i need help, not a genuis here... thnx again for all ur replys tho

I overclock of corse, one question i should have asked along time ago if u overclock the x2 3800 is the cache size going to increase with the clock speed and and ram? and so in a "future proofing" myself a dual 3800 would be more ideal even tho its a starting line? comparied the huge cache size and ghz of the core of the 4000[/quote][/code]

Well is there any agp boards that take opteram and do i have to buy registered ram?

if im not mistaken any 939 mobo will support opteron, no u dont need registered memory the memory u have no (granted its dd400 for best performance) will run... but i believe some boards support all teh way down to pc2100, as long as it isnt ddr2 it should work

now now now not dramatically, either way u go u wotn notice the diff, down to whichever is fastest out of the box for pure gaming x2 3800 or 4000+ the 4000 is because it has a higehr clock speed but this isnt a BIG difference were talking 5 fps at most. the problem is your 6800gs will be the major bottleneck in this new system so getting a proc faster than a 3500 is a waste of money, this is of course my opinion.. also if u get a 3500 u can get maybe another gig of memory which will decrease load times in games like bf2... so final opinion is

amd64 3500+
another gig of memory

this will be just as good as having an amd 4000 due to the bottleneck, ur video card... plus the extra gig will improve load times..

oh didnt notice u said u had 2 gigs and didnt notice ud have antivirus running the amd x23800 will be more powerful if u have a powerful antivirus running, because then u could run that on a diff core than the game making it a little bit faster.. hope that helps

If you are running an anti-virus you will need the dual core. I dont know of any anti-virus, including mine that when its checking for viruses doesn't use the cpu for almost everything.

i agree but if throwing away the card is out of the picture (prob is since he just got it most likely) he should get a cpu that matches the speed of his card, which is about a 3200/3500, buying a 4000 is a waste since ur card wont be able to keepup and its a lot more expensive, but if u wish to throw money at sotmhing that u wont need be my guest... i duno how many/wich hd's u have but if u want more speed then why not try running in raid for more performance, you cant get more out of a card when its the bottleneck

yea, i believe he has no reason to save his money, he just wants the fastest proc with a last gen card... and expects it to perform just as well as this gen of cards... the fact is that with that card you probably still wont be able to max games at 1024 with AA and AF and get fps over 60 constant, this is due to the fact that the card is dated, if you want to be able to run at higher res, or have AA and AF on sell the 6800 on ebay or somthing, buy a 939mobo with pci express get a 3200/3500 and overclock then spend the rest on a 7800gt, this will be far better than anything a 6800gs can produce, the 7800gt may still be the bottleneck if you overclock the 3200/3500...

yea me either im just proving that a 4000 is a total waste of money for gaming due to his graphics card, im trying to match him up with a cpu that matches his card.. instead of having a crazy fast proc and just a fast gpu, it shows no performance diff than a fast proc and a fast gpu..

i third that and move to strike... yea, im a faggot.

exactly... even with the x1800 the card will probably be the bottleneck (in gaming) gaming is mostly gpu now, its like 70% 30%... and yea i suggest getting 939 with an agp/pci express mobo if u can find it, that way when ur card cant handle games it just a quick card swap and ur all set... not having to worry abotu finding a good 939 board when all the M2 mobos are out...

Why not go to a San Diego (1 meg cache s939) 3700. They have the same OC limit as the 4000 anyway.
As to making the gfx card the bottleneck, I kinda dissagree. What you are doing is making sure the chip isn't the bottleneck. When we get another game like Halo, no cpu power is enough.

and since his gpu is older then why not get a cpu that was from the same time the gpu was to keep the system at similar speeds, same thing when people want to buy an fx60 with a 6600gt, ur not gonna notice u have an fx60 ur gonna notice crappy fps when u try to max out a game and wondering why when u spent so much on the cpu! also goes for spending 600 bux on a 7800gtx 512 and having an amd 2800, its gonna be to slow for the card. if only the kid with the fat walet could understand that a 4000+ is a waste of money given the time he wants to purchase it, when dual cores are becomming more popular and more used and M2 is comming out, now is a bad time to be buying top of the line single core chips.