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January 17, 2006 3:31:49 AM

i'm buying a really good system with dual 7800 gtx video cards and 2 150 gig raptors with raid 0 and 2g kingston hyperx ddr400
my question is if the athalon 4000 is good enough for extrme gaing with these other parts or if it is only worth getting the other stuff if i get an fx-55 or 57

keep in mind that i'm a newb while answering
January 17, 2006 4:23:04 AM

I play BF2 at 1600x1200 everything on high w/4xAA and average
40-60 fps with an AMD 64 3400+, 6800GT, and 2GB....
...so yeah, you should be fine.

I hope you're buying to build, not just buying. I wouldn't want to
know what they'd charge for that rig!
January 17, 2006 4:32:08 AM

The 4400+ will handle everything just fine :D 
But sure, if you can spare another 400 bucks, go for the FX series lol (Not that'll make much of a dif, since I've heard you can OC (Overclock) the 4000+ to match some entry lv FXs)
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January 17, 2006 4:32:26 AM

YEAH dude the 400064 is compairable to the fx-53 in maxuim magazine if not almost the same chip.... 1mb l2 cache 2.4ghz san dieago (you can overclock of corse) read X2 vs 4000 in cpu chart dude it will answer maybe some of ur questions maybe get dual core cuz of daul core drivers and updates that improve fps throw that into ur mix and now ur all confused at what cpu u should buy new eh? i'm in the same dilemia, but i can't affort a gtx or a xf chip... so for now i'll settle with my new buyings in a few days i'll get a 7800gt and a 380064
January 17, 2006 4:52:53 AM

with dual 7800gtx a 3000+ is enough for extreme gaming.
January 17, 2006 9:01:56 AM

4000+ Sandy would be grand, though as it was said above for the kinda rig your going with a 4400+X2 would be damn nice. Has the 1mb cache of the 4800+ (I think) without the cost.

But liquidpaper has a good point :p  :lol: 
January 17, 2006 10:29:02 AM

it would do just fine, well actually, better than fine.

What does anybody think of the new FX60? The first dualcore FX, really fascinating stuff, dont you agree?

Does anybody own it already? Any feedbacks? :lol: 
January 17, 2006 12:43:42 PM

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it would do just fine, well actually, better than fine.

What does anybody think of the new FX60? The first dualcore FX, really fascinating stuff, dont you agree?

Does anybody own it already? Any feedbacks? :lol: 


Wow, just installed it yesterday. It is about 120% faster in installing drivers and multitasking! Is all duelcores this awesome or just this one? Wow, in comparison to upgrading, it like from my old XP1700 to the new P4 3.0ghz northwood with more than the normal hyper threading.

I'm still waiting for my cosair xms 2gig of ram vs the 512mb i'm currently using from my old computer to get this thing running.
January 17, 2006 1:15:56 PM

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It is about 120% faster in installing drivers
Great! I spend 95% of my PC time installing drivers - must get one!

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January 17, 2006 1:43:19 PM

lol
January 17, 2006 2:18:15 PM

Thats what I would go with if I decide to get Dual Core, the 4400+. Its only slightly slower, but if I wanted to do two games at once for some reason, I could easy.
January 17, 2006 2:24:30 PM

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it would do just fine, well actually, better than fine.

What does anybody think of the new FX60? The first dualcore FX, really fascinating stuff, dont you agree?

Does anybody own it already? Any feedbacks? :lol: 


The only problem I have with going with the FX-60(skipped 59, change to even numbers, no 69 :D  ...anyway) is that its the last FX before the M2 switch. This means that you have the highest FX 939 processor, which is pretty great, but the 57 still leads in gaming. And then you spent $1000+ on the last generation, when the new M2 is just as priced.

Cource I always wait about 6 months for the manufacturers to figure out they screwed up the first batch, before I get new tech. And thats with any new tech. And not everyone is releasing Dual Core updates. Only a select few that I know of.
January 17, 2006 2:31:28 PM

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And then you spent $1000+ on the last generation, when the new M2 is just as priced.

Cource I always wait about 6 months for the manufacturers to figure out they screwed up the first batch, before I get new tech. And thats with any new tech. And not everyone is releasing Dual Core updates. Only a select few that I know of.


I'll probably get a M2 stuff in 1-2years after most of the bugs is taken care of. It is about 6 months since the X2 appearance and figure the last X2 for the 939 should work best.
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January 17, 2006 5:09:12 PM

"What does anybody think of the new FX60?"

At $1330 from Newegg, thinking is all I'd ever do regarding that processor..

:-)
January 17, 2006 5:31:50 PM

If you're going to fork over the bucks for dual 7800GTX and 150Gig raptors why not go for the FX57. Sounds like you have some $$$ to burn anyways! 8) Dual core is crap for gaming.
January 17, 2006 5:51:00 PM

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Dual core is crap for gaming.

:roll: :roll: :roll: jealous I see...
January 17, 2006 6:06:51 PM

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:roll: :roll: :roll: jealous I see...
:lol:  :lol:  :lol:  I know that I am. I wish I had even half of the money going into that system to build myself a new one.

Though two things that I'm not jealous about would be the power bill and the noise. :o  I just can't even imagine it.
January 17, 2006 6:17:02 PM

This guy is thinking about spending about $600 dollars on 300Gb of hard drive. Around $900 in video cards. Then asks if a $330 dollar processor is enough. Does anyone else see the irony? I wonder if even half the people who post this stuff ever buy it. :roll:
January 17, 2006 6:24:09 PM

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I play BF2 at 1600x1200 everything on high w/4xAA and average
40-60 fps with an AMD 64 3400+, 6800GT, and 2GB....
...so yeah, you should be fine.

I hope you're buying to build, not just buying. I wouldn't want to
know what they'd charge for that rig!


I call shenanigans.
January 17, 2006 11:49:08 PM

I would say yes it is enough for awsome gamming the 4000 is actually and fx -53 they both are rated at 2.4 or 2.6 gightz cant remember and they each have 1 mb of cache pretty much the same chip performance wise.It is not an extreme processor but its the best bang for the buckyou can buy the 4000 for around 350 bux and the fx 57 cost close to a thousand there is only either 200-400 megahertz difference not worth all the money you would be better off buying a high quality colloing unit that will last you a long time than buying an extreme processor at the moment. I hope my info is correct just trying to help.
January 18, 2006 4:04:48 PM

Yes the AMD4000 is definitly fine for gaming and will save you quite a bit of money compared to an FX xhip. With good cooling, mobo and memory the 4000 can be OC's to near FX speeds.
January 18, 2006 6:10:14 PM

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i'm buying a really good system with dual 7800 gtx video cards and 2 150 gig raptors with raid 0 and 2g kingston hyperx ddr400
my question is if the athalon 4000 is good enough for extrme gaing with these other parts or if it is only worth getting the other stuff if i get an fx-55 or 57

keep in mind that i'm a newb while answering


Look at the mother of all cpu charts on THG's website, you will see that the 334$ 4000+ scores roughly 5-10fps lower on every game when compared to the 811$ FX-55

Is 10 fps worth 500$ to you?
January 18, 2006 10:38:53 PM

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This guy is thinking about spending about $600 dollars on 300Gb of hard drive. Around $900 in video cards. Then asks if a $330 dollar processor is enough. Does anyone else see the irony? I wonder if even half the people who post this stuff ever buy it. :roll:


I agree on that. But man 4000+ is gonna do good on gaming. Just dont worry about getting the most expensive hardware to do excellent in gaming. I agree on the guy from ealier post about the 7800gt and the 3800+, i believe that will do excellent on gaming(getting that like in 2 days) and save a bunch of money for other things. Tell you the truth I rather take all that money i save and put it in my honda. Do more research theres about a million articles on building a high end gaming rig without spending 4grand.
January 19, 2006 1:44:24 AM

RIght now i have the amd 4000+ sandiego, 2x1 gig stick 3200..7800 gtx oc and asus a8n sli delux mobo. the 4000 + rules. how ever, i have one gripe with the processor, and i know its the processor. this is most likely just me, because im not happy until i can run a game at max settings and resolution with out ANY slow downs. i mean if i see a noticable frame drop in a small area of a game, i hate that, which is prolly why i upgrade so often...so instead of upgrading..i simply went into my bios , over clocked 9% (which made it 2.6 or an fx-55 processor, which costs 811 bucks, more than double the price of the 4000+) and that made my day! that extra 200mhz boost makes all the parts that i saw a frame rate drop disappear. the 4000+ rules hands down tho. if you have good cooling and air flow, you can over clock it with ease like i have, and i idle at 31 degrees c, and after 2 hours of cs source, its at 41c..which is good in my opinion, awesome processor, especially since it went down 40 bucks since i got it :cry: 
February 16, 2006 10:19:57 PM

wow nice to see such responce for once, well the guy decided to do exacly what i did i got
370064 1mb l2 cach oc'ed 2.4 (same as 4000 with outthe $400 pricetag and multyplier)
2bg dual channel xms cossair
a8n-sli
7800gt evga co 470mhz sli ready
200gb 16mb cache maxtor dimonmax 10
sound adugy2
good psu of corse antec
and yeah there you go extream gaming a t a decient price and go sli anytime he has $400 laying around maybe tax season
February 16, 2006 10:28:42 PM

yes it is its extreme to the max bazookas that shoot chainsaws to the extreme to the max! lol the san diego is better than the clawhammer so buy sandiego
February 17, 2006 2:50:00 AM

so i see you read one of my recent posts. i got an enermax by the way.
February 17, 2006 11:35:58 AM

2 7800 GTX is really not the best choice. In fact, right now for extreme gaming ATI 1900 XT/XTX will rule.
You are paying 1000 $ for something that:
-generates heat
-obviously consumes more power
-is SLI so some games will actually run worse than on a single GTX
-it's weaker than a 1900XT/XTX in most games while being much more expensive
Getting a second card should be considered only when having a card already.
February 17, 2006 12:19:20 PM

with dual 7800GTX should go dual X2 4800 with your cpu. :D 
February 17, 2006 12:36:42 PM

I have to agree with you there LordBelial.

Most benchmarks concentrate purely on video, usually with sound off, and no or very little AI. Sure this provides a comparison between video cards only.

Then people build the machines, and realise, sound takes CPU time, AI takes CPU time, interacting with the game (vs a static demo, with easy prediction) requires CPU time, etc, etc

I run a Radeon X800 XL, and when overclocking my processors +17% to 2.34 GHz (from 2.0 GHz) I notice the increase in performance in various areas of games. (Using nTune to overclock as Tyan BIOS prohibits it).

An Athlon 64 FX is nice in the respect they are not multiplier locked though, so overclocking is a very simple task on most boards.

Honestly think this guy is better off with 1 x 7800 GT, just too see if it is enough, then installing a 2nd 7800 GT for SLi if required (not GTX, not GTX 512, but just GT), and look into processing power.

Thanks to the way benchmarks are performed (with no sound, very little AI, etc) the processor looks unimportant to maintain 'extreme / pro gaming grade' performance..... however going from a 2.2 to 2.4 GHz processor may permit you to beat someone else with a 2.2 GHz and a higher end video card.

As the Athlon 64 4000+ runs at 2.4 GHz, and can be overclocked with a little effort it should be fine. (More effort than an FX, but still possible, just they are multiplier locked when trying to raise the multiplier only, so need to plan RAM and mainboard settings in advance).

The reason video cards cost so much compared to processors is simply because people are willing to pay it, and that many games require the added performance... but don't skimp on processor either because it will increase the 'weighted minimum frame rate'.... the most important 'frame rate' of them all :p .

Many systems with lower end processors and the latest and greatest SLI / Crossfire cards, when actually in games (not benchmarks), give varied performance.... frame rate can be very high, then jump down heaps, then jump back up, etc..... so the minmum weighted fps will be lower, the maximum frame rate higher, and the average will rise.... on paper and in the 'benchmarks' anyway... even though actual game-play might be worse.

Benchmarks should cap the maximum frame rate at 80, as you only care when it is lower than this, and include 16 - 64 3D sound sources, and 32 - 256 players / AI / characters. Thus the highest score it could get is 80 fps (assuming 80fps min/max and thus avg). Once systems start getting close, make the benchmark more demanding (both video wise, eg: higher resolution, etc, aswell as other above mentioned areas, CPU, Sound, AI, large model counts, large action --> effect counts [CPU+Video], etc ). 3DMark tried to do this when under the MadOnion label, now that's FutureMark and they concentrate on Video Performance, and do a few CPU tests to mix the scores up a bit...

There is much truth to this, and not enough coverage of it in the media / press..... but look who sponsors them / supplies the 'free' hardware, etc
February 17, 2006 1:20:10 PM

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Dual core is crap for gaming.

:roll: :roll: :roll: jealous I see...

I wouldn't say 'jealous' so much as e-penis envy. If that wife of mine ever graduates (college, not high school, just to nip that now!) I may be able to afford a real rig. :twisted:
February 17, 2006 3:34:23 PM

So lets see what are you picking
AMD4000~350
2 GTX 7800 256 mb~900
=1250$
When you could get
X2 4400~470
1900XTX~650
1120 lets say roughly 1200 and that will outperform a 4000 with 2 GTX combo anyday.
BTW, i didn't even take into consideration the fact that you no longer have to buy a SLI ready mobo.
I know it's tempting to get single cores at very high clocks but dual core holds the future, even in gaming.
February 17, 2006 8:06:06 PM

just to clear this up, this is an old thread and since then, i basically scrapped the whole setup i was going to get and decided to save money. this is what it is now.

3700
evga 7800gt co 470mhz
2x1gig ocz el platinum 2-2-2-5 ram
asus a8n sli premium
x-fi xtreme music sound card
g5 gaming mouse
viewsonic e90fb crt monitor
and some nice z5500 speakers.

without tax, shipping, insurance it came to 2600cad thats including some stuff i didn't mention like os and keyboard ect
with tax,shipping, and insurance, and pre built from ncix-3119cad
February 17, 2006 8:34:23 PM

to save a bit more cash if ur interested, get 2 gig of value memory, low latency memory is almost double the price and is only better if u plan to oc to the max... with value memory on a 3700 ull still hit 2.4 pretty easily (amd 4000 speeds)
February 17, 2006 9:23:17 PM

actually, when it comes, i want to overclock it to 2.6ghz. the aerocool 2 case has good cooling and supposedly it come with a good heatsink. btw, what would i set the voltage at?
February 17, 2006 9:48:08 PM

check out these benchmarks:

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/cpu-games2...

your graphics card is the most important factor in gaming. Also important is having a good motherboard chipset and quality memory. Pretty much any athlon/sempron processor can give you great fragrates if you've got those two taken care of.

I don't recommend value memory. You can get decent 1GB performance memory for DDR 400 CAS 2-3-3-6-T1 for $100 or less. Double that for 2GB. Crappy RAM can cripple an otherwise great system.
February 18, 2006 3:17:27 PM

i think the vcore for 3700 on 939 is 1.4 or 1.35... kepe it under 1.55 is what people have told me... try not to add more than that as overvolting can burn ur cpu
February 18, 2006 6:42:56 PM

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just to clear this up, this is an old thread and since then, i basically scrapped the whole setup i was going to get and decided to save money. this is what it is now.

3700
evga 7800gt co 470mhz
2x1gig ocz el platinum 2-2-2-5 ram
asus a8n sli premium
x-fi xtreme music sound card
g5 gaming mouse
viewsonic e90fb crt monitor
and some nice z5500 speakers.

without tax, shipping, insurance it came to 2600cad thats including some stuff i didn't mention like os and keyboard ect
with tax,shipping, and insurance, and pre built from ncix-3119cad


i don't think anybody bothers to read because they keep telling me what to get as far as ram and video card and not to get value ram, which i already went with uber ram and a mid to high end vid card :?
February 18, 2006 7:10:10 PM

lol corvetteguy you shouldnt say anything and see how long it goes. Next some one is going to tell you to wait for the new stuff. :lol: 

Nice build though. :D 
February 18, 2006 7:57:38 PM

what I did was get...

dfi land party ultra d
opteron 165 dual core oced to 2.6ghz stock cooling and 1.3 volts
sapphire x1900xt stock clocks
ocz 2-3-2-5 2GB dual channel memory
maxtor 250 gig sata150
nec3550a dvd burner

I can play almost any game maxed out with 4xaa and 16af F.E.A.R is the only game that I have alittle problems with above 1024x768

Im running 12k in 3dmark05 and 6.1k in 3dmark06
February 19, 2006 1:44:36 AM

If you can't play F.E.A.R on full with THAT, then i must be in trouble. What sort of problems are you haveing, slow framerates or what? Thats the same RAM i got but its advertised as 2-2-2-5 but comes at 2-3-2-5, but your supposed to overclock it to 2-2-2-5 when you get and not have any sort of problems.
February 20, 2006 12:45:41 AM

1 1900xt shouldnt be able to run fear at max with high fps... even sli'd 7800gtx have some problems at 1600x1200 with max AA and AF, fear is a crazy demanding game..
February 20, 2006 2:16:25 AM

first of all if your going to oc, never get kingston ram.dont get the 4000. its the same as the fx-53 and its a waste of money get a 3500 or 3700 but if you want to oc the hell out of like me get a opty
February 20, 2006 2:42:13 AM

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first of all if your going to oc, never get kingston ram.dont get the 4000. its the same as the fx-53 and its a waste of money get a 3500 or 3700 but if you want to oc the hell out of like me get a opty
kingston does suck and the only reason that they stay in business is that they sell the ram to unsuspecting ppl at bestbuy
February 20, 2006 3:58:41 AM

Quote:
just to clear this up, this is an old thread and since then, i basically scrapped the whole setup i was going to get and decided to save money. this is what it is now.

3700
evga 7800gt co 470mhz
2x1gig ocz el platinum 2-2-2-5 ram
asus a8n sli premium
x-fi xtreme music sound card
g5 gaming mouse
viewsonic e90fb crt monitor
and some nice z5500 speakers.

without tax, shipping, insurance it came to 2600cad thats including some stuff i didn't mention like os and keyboard ect
with tax,shipping, and insurance, and pre built from ncix-3119cad


i don't think anybody bothers to read because they keep telling me what to get as far as ram and video card and not to get value ram, which i already went with uber ram and a mid to high end vid card :?

AGAIN no one (KAIS) decides to READ anything... you were right vascular.
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February 20, 2006 5:10:20 AM

athalon - now thats extreme spelling

yeah extreme gaming is more video card based
February 20, 2006 6:03:32 AM

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i'm buying a really good system with dual 7800 gtx video cards and 2 150 gig raptors with raid 0 and 2g kingston hyperx ddr400
my question is if the athalon 4000 is good enough for extrme gaing with these other parts or if it is only worth getting the other stuff if i get an fx-55 or 57

keep in mind that i'm a newb while answering


dont buy it.

you dont need two 7800GTX's. and should spend that extra cash and get a dual core processor. it also doesent need dual 150gig raptors, just need 2 74 gig raptors.
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February 20, 2006 7:28:02 AM

agreed - SLi is twice the price for the small gain, have a look at the ATi x1900 series or if your a nvidia fan stick to one 7800 GTX512, and yes dual core is becoming important - spend the money there, and the 150gb raptors are a bit expensive and pointless - get one or two 74gb raptors and one larger storage drive
February 20, 2006 7:46:30 PM

I really can't believe that no one reads any posts except the first and last post, or else they would have noticed my new system which i already bought sice that first post is old, so i know the x1900xt is the best card(well the xtx is but not for another 100 buckx) and sli is a waste.
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