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a b U Graphics card
January 20, 2006 5:15:18 AM

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=310

Got the link through Anandtech

If you ask me the performance isnt ground breaking but drivers optimisations and cpu limitations might play a part in that (thats if there real).

Its another leap frog "anything you can do i can do better" but nvidia's G70 has been round for alot longer and ATi has had plenty of time to out do it.

Take note its 7800GTX (not GTX512) vs X1900XT.

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January 20, 2006 7:05:06 AM

They took their sweet time getting this thing going. I might get one...
January 20, 2006 7:32:59 AM

We should wait to compare it with the 7900 series...
a b U Graphics card
January 20, 2006 9:05:24 AM

oh yeah sorry - typo
a b U Graphics card
January 20, 2006 9:23:43 AM

All ATi has done for months is try beating nvidia's leading model rather then spend the time designing a chip properly, there about to (if nvidia makes another leading card) loose there third series.

If you ask me Nvidia has spent the many months while nvidia's 7800 was out designing an even quicker card waiting for something from ATi - what else has nvidia done for the last months - the GTX512 is just a G70 supporting 512mb and thats not much time and effort.

http://www.nforcershq.com/article5142.html - Some Nvidia GeForce 7900 specs for anyone wondering.
January 20, 2006 9:58:12 AM

It's really disappointing .

Hope this is due to the imperfection of the driver.

But if this really has been the real performance of X1900XT, then this really sxxks !!!
January 20, 2006 10:08:46 AM

Between the ATI 1900 and Geforce 7800 GTX 256MB it would make more sense to get the Geforce IMO. Paying at least $150 more for a small performance difference isn't worth it. But the ATI 1900 seems to be more worthwhile between the itself and 7900. Considering that the Nvidia was running on a faster processor and still got less FPSs it shows ATI has something good going on. Out of them all the 7800 is the one I'm going to get... at least for now.

http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=4346
a b U Graphics card
January 20, 2006 10:34:40 AM

Hey all, just stop and take a look at the benchies a little.

Fear 1600x1200 4XAA:
7800GTX 256MB: 25 fps
X1900XT 512MB: 45 fps

That's an 80% increase in performance in a GPU intesive test. I fully agree that they should have pitted it up against the GTX 512MB, so I won't even look at COD2 where the amount of RAM makes a big difference. But also note, this is the X1900XT, and not the faster clocked XTX. More real reviews should be out next week, so we'll know soon enough how it competes with GTX 512MB.
January 20, 2006 12:06:43 PM

That kind of performance is the kind i dream of. I hate africa

But just think, if it does really suck then it should be cheap. I'm all for that.
a b U Graphics card
January 20, 2006 1:12:27 PM

"the GTX512 is just a G70 supporting 512mb and thats not much time and effort. "

Although with faster core speeds, and much faster RAM (1700-1800 effective)!


The GTX512 variants should have been called Ultras!
a b U Graphics card
January 20, 2006 1:23:39 PM

"Fear 1600x1200 4XAA:
7800GTX 256MB: 25 fps
X1900XT 512MB: 45 fps "

A recent test of the GTX512 showed 39 fps in FEAR at these settings, so besting a GTX512 by 15% is hardly peanuts...and this is supposedly just the Xt, not the XTX? I'm impressed...

(Now if they can just sell them for under $500, I'd buy it!)

:-)

My 7800GT just keeps sliding further and further down the performance charts! :-(
January 20, 2006 1:46:07 PM

NO WAY AM I EMPRESSED, takes bigger FPS to empress me.

its always going to be catch up with ATI. hahahahahahaha :twisted:
January 20, 2006 2:25:53 PM

hmm now the question for me is
get the x1900XTX and & crossfire
or SLI gtx 512
or wait for the 7900 GTX and SLI it
January 20, 2006 3:15:03 PM

Here's a graph I made.

The BF2 scores were really close, but BF2 is a RAM limited game, and is a little strange when it comes to graphics cards, so I concentrated on FEAR and COD2:



This is actually pretty damn impressive: remember, this isn't the top-of-the-line X1900 XTX - it's the lower XT model... which will be the direct competitor to the 7800 GTX 256 when it's released...

Quite impressive indeed. Hope it lowers the prices of the X1800's...
January 20, 2006 3:21:16 PM

7800GTX's are still scarce and $700+, months after release.
Why release a new card if you can not supply the current ones, unless something is wrong with it making it un-profitable to produce? (at $750 per card or more, hardly) So, in a month or two, they will announce a new card...on paper, and you can get one in what, another couple months.


I got a retail HiSX1800XT (700mhz/1500mhz) over a month ago for $549, now they are around $500. Kick ass card, btw.

ATI will have the 1900's in 4 days, for real, paper and retail.
I imagine if you are thrifty, you can find it for under $600 at launch or within a week to wait for price to settle.
January 20, 2006 4:31:40 PM

but then crossfire requires crossfire motherboard
hmm maybe ill stick with SLI then
get 2 7800 512's
a b U Graphics card
January 20, 2006 4:35:53 PM

"hmm now the question for me is
get the x1900XTX and & crossfire
"

The Crossfire XT card runs at the XT's clock rates, so an XTX for the 2nd card might be kind of a waste...presumably it will run clocked at the same, lower speed of the XT..
January 20, 2006 4:37:05 PM

Although impressive, I believe some final driver optimizations will definetly bring up preformance levels.

I also belief ATI hasnt "lost" at all. Yes, they've given some market share to Nvidia, since the 7800 series..History...look at the FX series when compared to the R3xx *shudders* I took an X800pro instead of a 6800GT. Why? I wanted to use a smaller form factor (MATX)
I knew my Raidmax 420watt supply would have no problem with
the X wattage requirements and I also realized (in 2004) that no game
for the next 3 years would exclusively utilize SM3.0. I upgrade my GPU
every 2 years or so, unless I really have the money for refresh lines.
So the X8xx vs the 68xx was a good match up - a draw IMHO

Both companies have had their hicups. To me though, its more about product features opposed to FPS. Although a big thing yes, but when an X1800XL does 52FPS in games that support HDR, and I can finally run that while using FSAA (something NV cant do) whilst the 7800GT cant run both simultainiously, but is getting 58FPS...I'll take the features thanks.

The 7800Ultra, yes a very amazing card...unfortunately ATi had no response with the exception of allowing their board manufactorers to factory overclock their cards. I think 2006 is a good year for ATi to shine. I really dont buy hype, and I'll see the figures for myself when both cards hit market. I personally (and seeming to be the rest of the market) are now concerned with Price/Preformance, as high end cards are now hitting over $700...some of us just dont have that cash.
a b U Graphics card
January 20, 2006 4:37:41 PM

"get 2 7800 512's"

At a mere $800 each? I'll pass, but have fun! :-)
a b U Graphics card
January 20, 2006 4:39:30 PM

"...as high end cards are now hitting over $700...some of us just dont have that cash."

That is indeed a lot of $$$ for a single card...
January 20, 2006 4:53:32 PM

Quote:
but then crossfire requires crossfire motherboard
hmm maybe ill stick with SLI then
get 2 7800 512's


ahh, yes for two cards, but a single crossfire/crossfire ready card works in any PCI-e board.
SLI only works in SLI boards too.

But I really see no need in SLI or Crossfire, except for extravagence and bragging rights, and the occasion where you buy a low end affordable card, and in 6 months the mate is only around $150 to add for CF or SLI.
I mean, $500 cards like the X1800XT perform all todays games at max quality fluidly, and in a couple years when gaming steps up a notch, they will still run them at high quality, and if you need the greatest, spend another $500 on the newest fastest single card then, and you will once again have the newest and best being able to play any game at max quality you want for a few more years.
January 20, 2006 5:30:56 PM

Incorrect. There isn't a single card out that can play F.E.A.R. at it's max; at high framerates anyways.
January 20, 2006 6:10:50 PM

I'm staying with me ole TI4200. :mrgreen:
January 20, 2006 6:12:38 PM

So when will they lower the price on the X800XL AGP?????????
January 20, 2006 6:21:01 PM

I think the best way to go with all these new Over-$600 Video Cards coming out is to get either a CF or SLI of lower-end and it will equal or beat a single card solution of a higher-end. My SLI of 2 6800GS's is on par or beats a 7800GTX 256 in most instances, and I've seen it best a GTX512 in 1 benchmark (can't remember which). I merely paid $390 for my GS's and they perform to the level of these $500, $600 cards. The best thing to do is get 2 x1800XL's in CF or 2 7800GT's in SLI and you're set for at least a year or 2 and by that time you'll be able to get the next latest-greatest thing.

When Multi-Core Gaming arrives, the load won't even be so much on the GPU anymore, being Phsyics and A.I. are being taken away from the CPU with the Ageia PhysX and that new A.I. card some company's working on, thus providing a Multi-Core CPU with the game written for Multi-Core to not require such a $600 GPU to run good. Benches on Multi-Core performance on Quake 4 alone show frames jumping from 60-80 to 120-140 using Dual-Core. My SLI of GS's for $390 plays COD2, FEAR, BF2, Quake 4, etc. with very high settings just fine, better than most single card solutions, and I say this being that it's cheaper by $60 at least.

So I say save the $ on these $1200 SLI/CF solutions and buy a fast Multi-Core CPU and a cheap SLI solution, and you'll be right up there with the big boys in performance (Until somebody buy's an FX-60 and 2 GTX512's:(  )
January 20, 2006 9:50:22 PM

Incorrect...correct :lol: 

There are benchies (need to find them) of an X1800XT @ 725/1700mhz
that (forced custom res) 1600x1200 max settings and achieve a constant (average) 30FPS.

I think those were the clock speeds, I'll see if I can find the article.

EDIT:

The thing about these physics cards, although a great idea.
Dual core or Multi would make them obsolete. Especially when games
start to become multi-threaded. With one execution on the game architecture and the other on the physics and A.I...Those add in cards better be reasonably priced and marketed quickly to single CPU systems.
January 20, 2006 11:46:37 PM

Ever heard of a little company called matrox? You get professional cards that will wax the living skyte out of FEAR. And matrox is not even a good company for professional graphics cards.
January 21, 2006 3:15:18 AM

It looks and feels pretty playable at max to me, the demo anyways...
January 21, 2006 3:36:43 AM

Those cards, much like the FireGL and Quatro, are produced for graphic desigh, workstations, Maya, CAD...etc.

Although they have vertex shaders and memory out the ass, their driver fuction kills them as none of those cards are any good for gaming.
January 21, 2006 3:44:12 AM

I have used high end Matrox, Quattro and Fire GL cards, and imo, they suck $$$ for gaming, but benchmark high on 3D grafix.
I have settled fine on high end gaming cards for work.
a b U Graphics card
January 21, 2006 6:29:12 AM

Iv been wondering for a while now - whats the diffrence between (for example) a geforce and a quattro of any comparable series?

Iv heard you can mod some geforces into quattro's so i take it there not that much diffrent.

Quote:
Ever heard of a little company called matrox? You get professional cards that will wax the living skyte out of FEAR. And matrox is not even a good company for professional graphics cards.


Whats with people thinking matrox is powerful? in gaming there not impressive (cause there not really a gaming card!!!).

As for the X1900 vs 7800GTX - the 6800 and 7800 doubled previous performance records where as X1900XT vs 7800GTX - wow Fear runs better on an ATi - big deal - everything else is within 10fps of each other and its not as if the X1900 XTX is going to be much quicker (25mhz on GPU and 100mhz on mem).

Why wait for a card that will be expensive and slightly quicker when i can already get a 7800 based card cheaper and instead of buying an even rarer and more expensive crossfire master card i can get a second matching card for SLI.

ATi needs to get there act back together.
January 21, 2006 6:56:07 AM

I used a matrox with DX9 drivers that was faster than any x850xt pe on most games, esp ut2004, but you are right about the drivers, they are not meant to be used by mere mortals. You have to tweak them and use different settings for every game.
January 21, 2006 5:19:32 PM

Apache, the X1900XT for $550 available, where as the 7800GTX is $750 or more and not available and performs less...
Hmmmm.... I will have to think about that one...not
January 21, 2006 5:38:50 PM

Apache, maybe your thinking of the 5950 --> 6800U
and 9800XT --> X850XTPE, that was double the preformance, however
the 6800 to 7800 series was nowhere near double the preformance.

Anywho, the X1900 series is a little more than just the 25 and 100mhz increases you think, there's also a more refined 90nm process and more shader and arithmetic units. So its going to be a much better preformer than
you turn it out to be.
January 21, 2006 7:35:29 PM

Quote:
I think the best way to go with all these new Over-$600 Video Cards coming out is to get either a CF or SLI of lower-end and it will equal or beat a single card solution of a higher-end. My SLI of 2 6800GS's is on par or beats a 7800GTX 256 in most instances, and I've seen it best a GTX512 in 1 benchmark (can't remember which). I merely paid $390 for my GS's and they perform to the level of these $500, $600 cards. The best thing to do is get 2 x1800XL's in CF or 2 7800GT's in SLI and you're set for at least a year or 2 and by that time you'll be able to get the next latest-greatest thing.

When Multi-Core Gaming arrives, the load won't even be so much on the GPU anymore, being Phsyics and A.I. are being taken away from the CPU with the Ageia PhysX and that new A.I. card some company's working on, thus providing a Multi-Core CPU with the game written for Multi-Core to not require such a $600 GPU to run good. Benches on Multi-Core performance on Quake 4 alone show frames jumping from 60-80 to 120-140 using Dual-Core. My SLI of GS's for $390 plays COD2, FEAR, BF2, Quake 4, etc. with very high settings just fine, better than most single card solutions, and I say this being that it's cheaper by $60 at least.

So I say save the $ on these $1200 SLI/CF solutions and buy a fast Multi-Core CPU and a cheap SLI solution, and you'll be right up there with the big boys in performance (Until somebody buy's an FX-60 and 2 GTX512's:(  )

Too bad I already have 7800 GTs in SLI, unless you replied to me just because my name was the closet one. Also, I outperform the 7800 GTX 512 and X1800 XT in every benchmark I've used. Now a pair of them is a different story.
January 22, 2006 7:12:54 AM

Quote:
Iv been wondering for a while now - whats the diffrence between (for example) a geforce and a quattro of any comparable series?

Iv heard you can mod some geforces into quattro's so i take it there not that much diffrent.

Ever heard of a little company called matrox? You get professional cards that will wax the living skyte out of FEAR. And matrox is not even a good company for professional graphics cards.


Whats with people thinking matrox is powerful? in gaming there not impressive (cause there not really a gaming card!!!).

As for the X1900 vs 7800GTX - the 6800 and 7800 doubled previous performance records where as X1900XT vs 7800GTX - wow Fear runs better on an ATi - big deal - everything else is within 10fps of each other and its not as if the X1900 XTX is going to be much quicker (25mhz on GPU and 100mhz on mem).

Why wait for a card that will be expensive and slightly quicker when i can already get a 7800 based card cheaper and instead of buying an even rarer and more expensive crossfire master card i can get a second matching card for SLI.

ATi needs to get there act back together.

Come on, ATI, ATI, ATI!!

ATI has still cards that can be used in today’s new games. 9700Pro, yes, it will soon find its fate as with all you Geforce Fans came to realize when BF2 came out and thousands cried and cried they couldn't play it. Now you’re once again, saying buy buy buy.

I'm a man that has plenty of money to buy a high end card. But we people, who have money, aren't going to blow it on a video card right at this moment. You'd be stupid too. Just bring yourself back to the day TI series came out, you all bought, bought, bought! Few months later, woot, 9700 series comes out from ATI. Just downing Geforce for years. Yet you people are so into a brand name that you still bought crap cards from GF.

This may not be a faster card, but as many have said, who cares, I want looks if I'm paying all that loot for a new card. I don't want to brag, I want my game play to be perfect.

So let’s just wait and see what really the specs of this X1900 card really are before trashing it.

I am just saying this from experience, no, I don't have many posts. I've been reading THG for years. I had a Voodoo, and then went to TI-4600, to 9700pro, then to a 9800pro, to a 5900xt, took it back, back to a 9700pro, after I sold my 9800pro, modded to a 9800xt on E-bay.

So, I've had all the cards, and this 9700pro has held it's own since early last year. I played F.E.A.R. at high settings 1024x768. But got real slow in a few sceens. It's time to upgrade, but I'm not in a hurry neither.

I am still a GF man in heart, but I have yet to see anything to make me buy a card from them again! Too many dam drivers to mess with ATI.

I will be building a complete new system in February. I am, like many others, waiting to see how ATI fires back or vise versa.

If I was to have to buy a card today< I would have to go with the x1800 512mem series. Or X800xt 512, any one with atleast 512 of mem!

But I play BF1942, mod called, Forgotten Hope. I've played F.E.A.R., COD2, BF2; none of them have online gaming like Forgotten Hope. I like REAL playing games. So I'm in no hurry to upgrade.

So, IMO, Why not wait it out, let the dust clear before buying another card that will be out of date in a few months again?
a b U Graphics card
January 22, 2006 2:49:26 PM

"You get professional cards that will wax the living skyte out of FEAR. "

What does this mean? (I'd be surprised if a Matrox card could even play FEAR..)
January 22, 2006 3:35:18 PM

Quote:
Apache, the X1900XT for $550 available, where as the 7800GTX is $750 or more and not available and performs less...
Hmmmm.... I will have to think about that one...not



Dude what are you buying the "black pearl", you can find the 7800 GTX for $450, pull your head out of the wiskey bottle and step back into reality. your just prejudice and that is very blatant, you can keep your slanderous lies to yourself.
January 22, 2006 5:16:00 PM

Well looks like ati beats nvidia for now it would be interesting to see how the 7900 performs. The 2 companies trying to out do each other means cheaper cards sooner :) .

It would be cool if a 3rd player decides to compete though like Matrox, but thats unlikely for now.

I'm not a fanboy of either brands I will buy whatever has the best performance for its price when it's time for me to upgrade.
January 22, 2006 6:02:02 PM

I'm so excited! Only a few days now...
a b U Graphics card
January 22, 2006 8:46:59 PM

"I used a matrox with DX9 drivers that was faster than any x850xt pe "

And what Matrox card was that?
a b U Graphics card
January 22, 2006 9:40:35 PM

The Mighty Magical Matrox Mystique. :roll:
a b U Graphics card
January 22, 2006 10:46:31 PM

If ATi makes a faster and cheaper card nvidia will drop there prices, nvidias only charging a premium cause they can and theres nothing to match.

I expected some really huge performance gains from the X1900 series.

As for cards being rare - crossfire cards anyone?

When nvidia releases the 7900 in march we will see how well ATi does.

WHAT IS THE DIFFRENCE BETWEEN A GEFORCE AND A QUATTRO!?!??!?
January 22, 2006 11:41:55 PM

Quote:

WHAT IS THE DIFFRENCE BETWEEN A GEFORCE AND A QUATTRO!?!??!?


Quadro*s are meant for CAD and graphic design. They are also unbelievably expensive. A Quadro 4500 would probably run you between 1750-2100$
January 22, 2006 11:42:00 PM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...


http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Sc...


And the X1900XTX is available now, but where is the 7800GTX 512MB? and for how much??? $800 ouch, when an available X1900XT will beat it and goes for $500 to $600 and is below retail price... nVidia better start shakin to get those cards that will beat ATI in to stores.
BTW, in March nVidia will paper launch their secret weapon, and again low quantities and high prices just to get on the waiting list.
a b U Graphics card
January 22, 2006 11:46:50 PM

thats there use i already know that but whats the diffrence chip wise cause i heard you can software and hardware mod some geforce models to make them into quattro's
January 22, 2006 11:53:13 PM

why would you SLi a gtx 512 when the 7900 comes out in march will cost the same if not less and will smoke the gtx 512 running at 3/4 its max
January 23, 2006 1:26:27 AM

Quote:
why would you SLi a gtx 512 when the 7900 comes out in march will cost the same if not less and will smoke the gtx 512 running at 3/4 its max


True That!!
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