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April 4, 2005 4:16:35 AM

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I have some ONJ. Eagles, Chicago and other countless songs I have bought
over the years. I have many on vinyl and many cassette tapes and even
some 8 track cartridges full of music.

Can I download the songs I have already paid for, even if the cassette
tape may be broken???


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boB

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Central Texas - 5NM West of Gray Army Airfield (KGRK)

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April 4, 2005 5:08:39 AM

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boB wrote:
> I have some ONJ. Eagles, Chicago and other countless songs I have
> bought over the years. I have many on vinyl and many cassette tapes
> and even some 8 track cartridges full of music.
>
> Can I download the songs I have already paid for, even if the cassette
> tape may be broken???

No, you can't.
You are in breach of copyright laws and accordingly, will be prosecuted to
the fullest extent of the law - which carries a maximum penalty of 5 years
imprisonment.
But don't worry, Mummy will still be able to bring you sweeties in prison.
April 4, 2005 7:13:50 AM

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"boB"
> Can I download the songs I have already paid for, even if the cassette
> tape may be broken???

That thought has crossed my mind too... I've already purchased the
"license" for the song, why would I have to pay for it again in a different
format?

It is legal to make a cassette tape from a CD you own for personal use.

And, here is the weirdest of them all from the Diamond REO case: If you
download a song from a file sharing network and put it into a MP3 player...
that's Ok... but you can't burn a CD of it.

I know you guys are going to ask me to back up that statement aren't you?
Yeah, it's on my hard disk somewhere if you insist.

Dallas
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April 4, 2005 10:14:10 AM

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Dallas wrote:
> "boB"
>
>>Can I download the songs I have already paid for, even if the cassette
>>tape may be broken???
>
>
> That thought has crossed my mind too... I've already purchased the
> "license" for the song, why would I have to pay for it again in a different
> format?
>
> It is legal to make a cassette tape from a CD you own for personal use.
>
> And, here is the weirdest of them all from the Diamond REO case: If you
> download a song from a file sharing network and put it into a MP3 player...
> that's Ok... but you can't burn a CD of it.
>
> I know you guys are going to ask me to back up that statement aren't you?
> Yeah, it's on my hard disk somewhere if you insist.
>
> Dallas
>
>
>

That's good. :)  I think as long as I keep the previous purchased
songs, broken cassettes or not, I can download a copy of that song.

Man!!! I have SO many cassettes and LP records. Gotta start going
through them now.
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boB

U.S. Army Aviation (retired)
Central Texas - 5NM West of Gray Army Airfield (KGRK)
April 4, 2005 11:45:48 AM

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boB wrote:

>
> That's good. :)  I think as long as I keep the previous purchased
> songs, broken cassettes or not, I can download a copy of that song.
>
> Man!!! I have SO many cassettes and LP records. Gotta start going
> through them now.

Strange. I have another message concerning this topic which is shown on
the Google Newsgroup but doesn't show here yet.

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boB

U.S. Army Aviation (retired)
Central Texas - 5NM West of Gray Army Airfield (KGRK)
Anonymous
April 4, 2005 12:01:10 PM

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I wouldn't know about the States, but I'm pretty sure it is legal here in
the Netherlands
My personal feeling is that I feel there's nothing wrong with this.

Gerard

Yeah... I know... lots of things are legal here or half legal... or not
prosecuted ... or... well I get confused :) 

"boB" <akitaREMOVECAPS77@excite.Icom> wrote in message
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>
> I have some ONJ. Eagles, Chicago and other countless songs I have bought
> over the years. I have many on vinyl and many cassette tapes and even
> some 8 track cartridges full of music.
>
> Can I download the songs I have already paid for, even if the cassette
> tape may be broken???
>
>
> --
>
> boB
>
> U.S. Army Aviation (retired)
> Central Texas - 5NM West of Gray Army Airfield (KGRK)
>
April 4, 2005 12:01:11 PM

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Gerard Verhoef wrote:

> I wouldn't know about the States, but I'm pretty sure it is legal here in
> the Netherlands
> My personal feeling is that I feel there's nothing wrong with this.
>
> Gerard
>
> Yeah... I know... lots of things are legal here or half legal... or not
> prosecuted ... or... well I get confused :) 
>

I'm in a constant state of confusion. Remember this, If I go into a
coma, leave me plugged in, do NOT unplug my computer. I'm sure it's
only that I am in deep thought.


--

boB

U.S. Army Aviation (retired)
Central Texas - 5NM West of Gray Army Airfield (KGRK)
Anonymous
April 4, 2005 1:16:51 PM

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>
> That's good. :)  I think as long as I keep the previous purchased
> songs, broken cassettes or not, I can download a copy of that song.
>
> Man!!! I have SO many cassettes and LP records. Gotta start going
> through them now.



Sorry, I can't help you here. I never listen to music. Cannot understand
those who do!
Silence is golden.


Cheers,

Quilly
Anonymous
April 4, 2005 4:05:39 PM

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I was under the belief that you could as long as you had the licence i.e
buying the track in the first place

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"boB" <akitaREMOVECAPS77@excite.Icom> wrote in message
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>
> I have some ONJ. Eagles, Chicago and other countless songs I have bought
> over the years. I have many on vinyl and many cassette tapes and even
> some 8 track cartridges full of music.
>
> Can I download the songs I have already paid for, even if the cassette
> tape may be broken???
>
>
> --
>
> boB
>
> U.S. Army Aviation (retired)
> Central Texas - 5NM West of Gray Army Airfield (KGRK)
>
Anonymous
April 4, 2005 9:00:58 PM

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"Quilljar" <wykehill-flightsim@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Sorry, I can't help you here. I never listen to music. Cannot understand
> those who do!
> Silence is golden.

Interesting and I'm sure this doesn't apply to you Quilly but in my 23 years
with my local hospital radio, visiting wards, talking to patients and
getting requests for their favourite music I've found that those who say
they never listen to music always seem to be the most miserable. They are
also a very small minority. Still, it takes all sorts!

Iain
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April 4, 2005 10:57:32 PM

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"IAIN SMITH" <iainsmith.rugby@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 17:00:58 +0000 (UTC)

"Quilljar" <wykehill-flightsim@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Sorry, I can't help you here. I never listen to music. Cannot
> understand those who do!
> Silence is golden.

Interesting and I'm sure this doesn't apply to you Quilly but in my
23 years with my local hospital radio, visiting wards, talking to
patients and getting requests for their favourite music I've found
that those who say they never listen to music always seem to be the
most miserable. They are also a very small minority. Still, it
takes all sorts!

Hi Iain... I couldn't agree more! And when I am in an environment which
is dead quiet, I find it quite disturbing. Currently I am listening to
the British Invasion - Classic Rock on AOL Radio. I also like Launch.com
as well. Or my mp3s, or even my built in FM/TV card.

Nothing is like turning up the tunes when performing acrobatics or even
in dogfights. And I don't know what it is, but listening to tunes just
makes one perform that much better. I guess it takes out that stress
factor or something. Ah... what a wonderful world it is! <grin>


Cheers!


___________________________________________
Bill (using a HP AMD 1.2GHZ & Windows 2000)
-- written and edited within Word 2000
Anonymous
April 4, 2005 11:42:01 PM

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Yes, well you may have noticed how cheerful I am :-)

I put it all ddown to not listening to music. I often hear music
accidentally and I don't dislike it as such, but I wouldn't go out of my way
to hear it.

Cheers,

Quilly
April 4, 2005 11:42:02 PM

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Quilljar wrote:
> Yes, well you may have noticed how cheerful I am :-)
>


Well, whenever the colon is behaving anyway.... :-D

Personally, if I want music, the music will be the focal point of my
attention, with the Lazy Boy reclined, brandy slightly chilled, and wattage
from the vintage McIntosh being adjusted in direct proportion to the brandy
consumed.

The rest of the time I don't want the distraction.....

Cheers'n Beers.. [_])
Don
Anonymous
April 5, 2005 12:51:35 AM

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The simple answer is NO.

If you want a copy of a record on Vinyl, Tape and CD then you would have to
purchase 3 copies.

All music media (CD, tape vinyl) today has something along the lines of.....
"Unauthorised Copying .... .... .... .... Prohibited." printed somewhere
either on the disk itself or on the packaging.

This applies in the EU and USA at least... if not everywhere in the world
that acknowledges copyright.

Graham


"boB" <akitaREMOVECAPS77@excite.Icom> wrote in message
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>
> I have some ONJ. Eagles, Chicago and other countless songs I have bought
> over the years. I have many on vinyl and many cassette tapes and even
> some 8 track cartridges full of music.
>
> Can I download the songs I have already paid for, even if the cassette
> tape may be broken???
>
>
> --
>
> boB
>
> U.S. Army Aviation (retired)
> Central Texas - 5NM West of Gray Army Airfield (KGRK)
>
Anonymous
April 5, 2005 1:12:46 AM

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A couple of months ago my wife paid for and downloaded some Eric Clapton
tunes. She did this thinking she could burn it to cd to play in the
car. Wouldn't you know she picked the wrong format. Her cd burner
couldn't read the media. So she had to buy the media again to get the
right format.

Mike

Graham Walters wrote:
> The simple answer is NO.
>
> If you want a copy of a record on Vinyl, Tape and CD then you would have to
> purchase 3 copies.
>
> All music media (CD, tape vinyl) today has something along the lines of.....
> "Unauthorised Copying .... .... .... .... Prohibited." printed somewhere
> either on the disk itself or on the packaging.
>
> This applies in the EU and USA at least... if not everywhere in the world
> that acknowledges copyright.
>
> Graham
>
>
> "boB" <akitaREMOVECAPS77@excite.Icom> wrote in message
> news:D H%3e.8584$Xp.6620@tornado.texas.rr.com...
>
>>I have some ONJ. Eagles, Chicago and other countless songs I have bought
>>over the years. I have many on vinyl and many cassette tapes and even
>>some 8 track cartridges full of music.
>>
>>Can I download the songs I have already paid for, even if the cassette
>>tape may be broken???
>>
>>
>>--
>>
>>boB
>>
>>U.S. Army Aviation (retired)
>>Central Texas - 5NM West of Gray Army Airfield (KGRK)
>>
>
>
>
April 5, 2005 1:28:38 AM

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Graham Walters wrote:

> The simple answer is NO.
>
> If you want a copy of a record on Vinyl, Tape and CD then you would have to
> purchase 3 copies.
>
> All music media (CD, tape vinyl) today has something along the lines of.....
> "Unauthorised Copying .... .... .... .... Prohibited." printed somewhere
> either on the disk itself or on the packaging.
>
> This applies in the EU and USA at least... if not everywhere in the world
> that acknowledges copyright.
>
> Graham

Nah... I don't think so. No where on my records or tapes is there any
mention of copyright to individual media. I bought the song, it's mine. :) 


--

boB

U.S. Army Aviation (retired)
Central Texas - 5NM West of Gray Army Airfield (KGRK)
Anonymous
April 5, 2005 1:46:01 AM

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"Quilljar" <wykehill-flightsim@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
>>
>> That's good. :)  I think as long as I keep the previous purchased
>> songs, broken cassettes or not, I can download a copy of that song.
>>
>> Man!!! I have SO many cassettes and LP records. Gotta start going
>> through them now.
>
>
>
> Sorry, I can't help you here. I never listen to music. Cannot understand
> those who do!
> Silence is golden.
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Quilly

Well, your mother warned you ... except you went deaf ! :) 

Cheers,
John
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April 5, 2005 1:55:49 AM

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"boB" <akitaREMOVECAPS77@excite.Icom> wrote in message
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Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 21:28:38 GMT

Nah... I don't think so. No where on my records or tapes is there
any mention of copyright to individual media. I bought the song,
it's mine. :) 

Hi boB! They try to scare you and add copy protection on the newer
stuff, but if you own it, it's yours according to US laws. You just
can't sell it or give it away. I too have purchased LPs, 8-tracks, and
CDs all for the same albums for years. But it isn't really necessary.

In fact, one recording of Pink Floyd on cassette (Dark Side of the Moon)
I purchased was just terrible! I listened to it once and it just had to
go. So I taped over the protect tabs, placed it in my Kenwood KX-1030
cassette deck (three heads) and started up my turn table with an Empire
2000 cartridge and started recording it over. Man what a difference!
It's sad when the duplication equipment is far less quality than my own
equipment.


Cheers!


___________________________________________
Bill (using a HP AMD 1.2GHZ & Windows 2000)
-- written and edited within Word 2000
April 5, 2005 2:14:24 AM

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BillW50 wrote:

> "boB" <akitaREMOVECAPS77@excite.Icom> wrote in message
> news:aki4e.31349$ij5.27906@tornado.texas.rr.com...
> Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 21:28:38 GMT
>
> Nah... I don't think so. No where on my records or tapes is there
> any mention of copyright to individual media. I bought the song,
> it's mine. :) 
>
> Hi boB! They try to scare you and add copy protection on the newer
> stuff, but if you own it, it's yours according to US laws. You just
> can't sell it or give it away. I too have purchased LPs, 8-tracks, and
> CDs all for the same albums for years. But it isn't really necessary.
>
> In fact, one recording of Pink Floyd on cassette (Dark Side of the Moon)
> I purchased was just terrible! I listened to it once and it just had to
> go. So I taped over the protect tabs, placed it in my Kenwood KX-1030
> cassette deck (three heads) and started up my turn table with an Empire
> 2000 cartridge and started recording it over. Man what a difference!
> It's sad when the duplication equipment is far less quality than my own
> equipment.
>
>
> Cheers!


Yes, the 70's. I remember all my friends buying those reel to reel
systems, recording 18 hours of music and leave them on day in and day
out through those 4 ft tall speakers. I only had 2 of the big Pioneer
Speakers that, when I checked them after retuning from Germany, were
missing the actual speakers. But the case and pretty cover were there
and I could use them as a storage box. I'm pretty sure my step-son
installed them in his jeep. Like mother, like son. :( 

--

boB

U.S. Army Aviation (retired)
Central Texas - 5NM West of Gray Army Airfield (KGRK)
April 5, 2005 7:56:21 AM

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"boB"
> Yes, the 70's. I remember all my friends buying those reel to reel
> systems, recording 18 hours of music

Actually, you could make a party mix tape using a HiFi VCR that would run
for 6 hours. The Playboy Advisor gave me the idea.

You just plugged into the audio jacks and left the video jack empty.

The actual quality of the sound output was nearing CD quality.

Dallas
April 5, 2005 9:16:02 AM

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Dallas wrote:

> "boB"
>
>>Yes, the 70's. I remember all my friends buying those reel to reel
>>systems, recording 18 hours of music
>
>
> Actually, you could make a party mix tape using a HiFi VCR that would run
> for 6 hours. The Playboy Advisor gave me the idea.
>
> You just plugged into the audio jacks and left the video jack empty.
>
> The actual quality of the sound output was nearing CD quality.
>
> Dallas
>
>

That sounds easy.... HMMMMM

MWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWM

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boB

U.S. Army Aviation (retired)
Central Texas - 5NM West of Gray Army Airfield (KGRK)
April 5, 2005 9:44:49 AM

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"boB"
> That sounds easy.... HMMMMM
> MWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWM

Yeah! Don't throw out those old VCRs.


Dallas
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April 7, 2005 8:30:00 PM

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"boB" <akitaREMOVECAPS77@excite.Icom> wrote in message
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Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 22:14:24 GMT

Yes, the 70's. I remember all my friends buying those reel to reel
systems, recording 18 hours of music and leave them on day in and
day out through those 4 ft tall speakers.

Hi boB... Yes those were the good days! <grin> A couple companies came
out with something they called an Elcassette about in '76. It had the
best of both worlds! Had the quality of real to real and the ease of a
cassette. It was a great idea except it cost more and sales were poor.
So it was dropped in about a year. I'd love to get my hands on one of
them today. But you never see one. Not even on eBay.

I only had 2 of the big Pioneer Speakers that, when I checked them
after retuning from Germany, were missing the actual speakers.

You know, I've heard this from many. I was so scared of this happening
with my stuff, I had taken them to the local post office and shipped
everything that way. And nothing was missing, broken, or stolen. That's
too bad in your case, boB.

When I was a young teenager, my father gave me or loaned me this good
size speaker which I wired up to a small portable radio. It had a door
in the back and I used to hide my Playboy magazines in there. Boy there
was lots of room in that speaker.

Later I went in the service and now my father still has it somewhere.
Maybe in the barn I think just sitting there doing nothing. Hmm... I
wonder if those Playboys are still in there?

But the case and pretty cover were there and I could use them as a
storage box. I'm pretty sure my step-son installed them in his
jeep. Like mother, like son. :( 

I better not touch that one. <grin>


Cheers!


___________________________________________
Bill (using a HP AMD 1.2GHZ & Windows 2000)
-- written and edited within Word 2000
April 8, 2005 3:28:48 AM

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Boy boB, this sure brings back a lot of memories. Bought my stereo
system in Okinawa in '72. This was when the 4 Channel discreet systems
were brand new on the market, and were going to be the "only thing to
have" in stereo systems! I had a Pioneer 4-channel AM/FM tuner, an
Akai 280D 4-channel reel-to-reel tape deck, and a 4-channel discreet
turntable....to which I added four Pioneer CS-811 speakers. The
electronics are long gone, but the speakers are still in my living
room, hooked up, and in use! Each enclosure has 5 speakers.... 12",
two 4", one 3", and a 2", and each enclosure weighs in at 41 lbs. In
all these years, I only managed to blow out one woofer, which was back
in '74, and was easily replaced.

Propwash
April 8, 2005 1:58:14 PM

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Propwash wrote:
> Boy boB, this sure brings back a lot of memories. Bought my stereo
> system in Okinawa in '72. This was when the 4 Channel discreet
> systems were brand new on the market, and were going to be the "only
> thing to have" in stereo systems! I had a Pioneer 4-channel AM/FM
> tuner, an Akai 280D 4-channel reel-to-reel tape deck, and a 4-channel
> discreet turntable....to which I added four Pioneer CS-811 speakers.
> The electronics are long gone, but the speakers are still in my living
> room, hooked up, and in use! Each enclosure has 5 speakers.... 12",
> two 4", one 3", and a 2", and each enclosure weighs in at 41 lbs. In
> all these years, I only managed to blow out one woofer, which was back
> in '74, and was easily replaced.
>
> Propwash

Yep, those wienie bookshelf size speakers just don't have "the look", or
some might argue, "the sound"!! [he said, combing his chest :)  ]
I'm also running 70's era McIntosh ML-1C speakers (65 lb ea. but did have to
recone the woofers & mid-range maybe a decade back), plus the venerable Mac
1900 tuner/amp (Mc's first foray into solid state I believe) still works
flawlessly.........

I spent a few weeks on Okinawa in '63, waiting for a MATS flight to Oakland
for processing out of active duty. After being threatened with water
rationing aboard ship for years, and never happening, I end up at Okinawa
during a drought, with water rationing - go figure!!

Cheers'n Beers.. [_])
Don
April 12, 2005 4:55:47 AM

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Propwash wrote:

> Boy boB, this sure brings back a lot of memories. the speakers are still in my living
> room, hooked up, and in use! Each enclosure has 5 speakers.... 12",
> two 4", one 3", and a 2", and each enclosure weighs in at 41 lbs. In
> all these years, I only managed to blow out one woofer, which was back
> in '74, and was easily replaced.
>
> Propwash
>

Yea the memories. that's how I remember my wives. One took the reel to
reel and the Sansui speakers, don't remember the model but in Camp
Stanley Korea playing the marching songs on low and when the Jets flew
over, turning the sound "almost" all the way up and watched the guard
outside the quonset hut looking up, trying to see the fast movers.

2nd wife, lost another pair of Sansui speakers along with the Amp and
Cassette deck. She's the second one who I surprised coming back from
Korea unexpectedly to find the house stripped bare. Only had 30 days
leave so I didn't have time to fight for anything.

3d wife, lost the pioneer speakers and would have lost more but I had my
amp and cassette up in the attic. No more Sansui speakers, too
expensive to give to any future ex wives.

--

boB

U.S. Army Aviation (retired)
Central Texas - 5NM West of Gray Army Airfield (KGRK)
April 12, 2005 4:55:48 AM

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boB wrote:
> 3d wife, lost the pioneer speakers and would have lost more but I had
> my amp and cassette up in the attic. No more Sansui speakers, too
> expensive to give to any future ex wives.

Yep, by the time we learn the right moves, like pre-nuptial agreements,
hidden assets, etc., we may have been lucky enough to make a choice (notice
I didn't say right, analyitical, deductive, or any of that nonsense - it's
pure luck!) that works. My last one is going on 28 years now. Last one at
least I had a pre-nub that saved my ass! Don't ask before that........
April 12, 2005 7:22:46 AM

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CRaSH wrote:

> boB wrote:
>
>>3d wife, lost the pioneer speakers and would have lost more but I had
>>my amp and cassette up in the attic. No more Sansui speakers, too
>>expensive to give to any future ex wives.
>
>
> Yep, by the time we learn the right moves, like pre-nuptial agreements,
> hidden assets, etc., we may have been lucky enough to make a choice (notice
> I didn't say right, analyitical, deductive, or any of that nonsense - it's
> pure luck!) that works. My last one is going on 28 years now. Last one at
> least I had a pre-nub that saved my ass! Don't ask before that........
>
>

Flying Helicopters will never make a person rich but after a year with a
company the salary goes up and up. After flying for papillon I had an
interview with PHI. Then I met Gabriella and told PHI I would call them
after I returned from staying with Gabriella in Stuttgart for a bit. So,
I did not have a lot that wife #3 could take, with the exception of
credit cards. It took over a year for me to learn how many credit cards
(YOU HAVE BEEN PRE-APPROVED) that I received in the mail at my Texas
address that she forged my signature on the application. All in all I
think 5 cards that she ran up to max.

But that's old stuff. I started getting very sick with some bad pain and
even if I wanted to, I would not be able to fly helicopters for a living
any more. And even Gabriella kept secrets from me. After living together
for a year she then told me about her buying a new apartment (Condo) in
Germany and after 2 years sold it for quite a nice profit which was just
sitting there in her bank account.

--

boB

U.S. Army Aviation (retired)
Central Texas - 5NM West of Gray Army Airfield (KGRK)
!