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January 21, 2006 8:37:56 AM

Can someone please explain to me why these people exist?

What motivates a person to vehemently defend a particular brand of component :?:

I, of course, have my hardware presences now. But, in two years, they may very well change. It depends on what I perceive to be the best value, performance, upgradeability, etc.

If someone asked me today, “AMD or P4?”
I’d, probably say, “AMD.”

But, if I were tending a bar, and someone said, “What should I drink?”
I would say, “What do you like?”
The choices are abundant, and mostly equal at achieving the same goal. It comes down to a matter of preference.
I wouldn’t say, “Budweiser beer. It has a 6% higher alcohol to price ratio than half of the leading competition in 45% of lab tests. Budweiser is the only way to go. You, sir, need a Bud.”

Perhaps this is a bad example, but I just don’t understand why people insist on touting their preference as the end all be all of solutions. Why is there an emotional attachment to a GPU manufacturer?

If you are so sure about your brand, GO BUY THEIR STOCK :!:

Then again, this is all coming from a guy who doesn’t have a favorite sports team.

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January 21, 2006 9:54:43 AM

OK i'll bite.

AMD and Intel make GPU?

Please note how AMD is underscored but intel is'nt

Please note that this changed after I wrote the above

Now i'ts back to amd only
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January 21, 2006 10:11:15 AM

people like that exist cause of the way they were taught, through experience and other various reasons.

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But, if I were tending a bar, and someone said, “What should I drink?”
I would say, “What do you like?”
The choices are abundant, and mostly equal at achieving the same goal. It comes down to a matter of preference.
I wouldn’t say, “Budweiser beer. It has a 6% higher alcohol to price ratio than half of the leading competition in 45% of lab tests. Budweiser is the only way to go. You, sir, need a Bud.”


If you had a paticular beer and it tasted like $#!+ and made you throw up after it would you touch the stuff again? NO, and with computers and hardware things have issues and everything cant be hand tested so components have issues, for example if you owned an AMD system and the system was unstable due to crappy VIA chipsets (not AMD's fault) would you buy another one after a bad experience? Some people wont, and instead go (for example) to Intel and cause that current Intel system serves them well they stick to Intel products and give AMD a bad name (this is all an example, works with hdds and all other products etc).

Me for example, I hate MSI products - every single one of there products died on me or didnt work properly after a few months - anything from CD drives, to video cards, to there dodgy motherboards.

Other people sware by MSI and believe there products are great, and to me - i dont really care - its just my bad luck (and my experiences lead me to not touch there products again cause i dont trust em), but some people are Fanboys and if i said somethin bad against what they sware by (for example MSI) then they would have a go at me cause of my hate for there products.

A typical fanboy sticks by what they buy reguardless of how crap it is cause they bought it they think its the greatest and whatever else, Intel fanboys are numerous and bad, but i find there are more worse AMD fanboys that think AMD is the greatest when in reality if it wasnt for Intel wouldnt exist (examples are Intel's numerous new standards - intel makes most of em, a good example is when intel intro'd the 4 pin aux power plug - AMD was having stability issues at 1400 until they used it).

The last type of fanboy is the type who was taught something stupid (a typical one is being taught that Intel is reliable and AMDs arnt) - my dad wont touch an AMD cause he thinks there too hot and unreliable. If it was an older Athlon XP with a cheap VIA board id partly agree - VIA boards have issues, and cooling sometimes is an issue, BUT currently Intel's Prescotts arnt any better - there sometimes twice as hot as matching A64 models, and i think the A64 systems would last longer then prescott systems now because of less system stress (lower temps, lower power load etc).

Hope that sheds some light on your question.
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January 21, 2006 10:22:04 AM

Fellas!

You have both missed the boat.

They are getting rich and fat while you chase the latest and greatest.

The only difference between the two is their market share and hype.

Enjoy making them both rich and fat!
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January 21, 2006 10:53:14 AM

they do get rich off us, but when AMD makes a better dual core chip intel releases cheap dual cores to match (well, there not as good, but there dam cheap).
January 21, 2006 11:00:12 AM

Hi

Have a good look through the topics on this forum and you'll see who's getting banged for their buck! :D 
January 21, 2006 12:48:34 PM

*cracks open a bud*
January 21, 2006 9:30:29 PM

I agree, it's normal for anyone to be 'loyal' to a brand once he has succesfully compared it to many other options, sadly, as you said, someone can get a brand new A64 processor and have a somewhat sh*tty VIA motherboard and blame the low performance on the processor. What happens next? Next comps he buys will have an Intel processor, he might be lucky enough to get his comp to work right and then what is he gonna tell his friend who's just about to build his first computer? "I had a AMD processor and the thing was so damn slow man! don't even think about getting an AMD, go straight for Intel" And so fanboys are created. Yet there are some people who have actually tested different gfx card makers, for example, and they know which are better OCers, which get hotter and which run more stable. After all, it's all about personal experience what makes you decide which product to get.
January 21, 2006 9:56:07 PM

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I agree, it's normal for anyone to be 'loyal' to a brand once he has succesfully compared it to many other options, sadly, as you said, someone can get a brand new A64 processor and have a somewhat sh*tty VIA motherboard and blame the low performance on the processor. What happens next? Next comps he buys will have an Intel processor, he might be lucky enough to get his comp to work right and then what is he gonna tell his friend who's just about to build his first computer? "I had a AMD processor and the thing was so damn slow man! don't even think about getting an AMD, go straight for Intel" And so fanboys are created. Yet there are some people who have actually tested different gfx card makers, for example, and they know which are better OCers, which get hotter and which run more stable. After all, it's all about personal experience what makes you decide which product to get.


So what if you succesfully compared all the options. Did you really?

So lets say you buy a hypothetical CPU called DMA on specs and put it in a mobo with X brand chipsets. Oh sorry there not compatible. The reveiws raved about how good they are.

Lets spend time on a forum telling ourselves how good the DMA cpu is, even though it doesn't work together.

On the other hand Intel CPU work together with Intel chipset.

Forgot the most important option - does it work together.

I know that I build for pleasure and to have a working system to use. Some people like to build and then spend time trying to work out why it doesn't work like the reveiws said.

I don't think they are fanboys but SMARTBOYS.
January 21, 2006 10:16:17 PM

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So lets say you buy a hypothetical CPU called DMA on specs and put it in a mobo with X brand chipsets. Oh sorry there not compatible. The reveiws raved about how good they are.
Lets spend time on a forum telling ourselves how good the DMA cpu is, even though it doesn't work together.


Ok, whoever does that is just plain stupid, plus you shouldn't trust everything you read on reviews or stuff on the internet, you should find a way to make sure every piece works together with the rest. I've build a few systems and had no problems with them, even tho I really don't know much about computers compared to most of the people posting in this forums, I've never had a problem with them.

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On the other hand Intel CPU work together with Intel chipset.

Forgot the most important option - does it work together.


Are you b*tchin at AMD because they don't make their own motherboards?

Maybe I misuderstood what you said...
January 21, 2006 10:57:09 PM

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Ok, whoever does that is just plain stupid, plus you shouldn't trust everything you read on reviews or stuff on the internet, you should find a way to make sure every piece works together with the rest.


My point is information is always going to be hyped up by manufacturers so as to sell their products.

Whats the point of having THG then if you can't trust them?.

How do you propose that you would find a way which would be more reliable than hardware reveiw sites. The back of the products packaging perhaps or manufacturers specs.

Then after all that, we could use trial and error and spend lots of hard earnerd money giving someone a small market share till we found the right combination to put ONE system together

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Are you b*tchin at AMD because they don't make their own motherboards?

Maybe I misuderstood what you said...
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You are right. I use Intel because less of my hard earned money and time goes into discovering the hard way what works and more into the time enjoying what I set out to do!

There is the other minor matter that the rest of the world
manufactures for the components which they perceive is going to make them rich and fat, the biggest return on their investment. Small market shares rarely do that!

People don't invest to make small amounts of return after all!

Hence the compatability issues.

It would appear that Intel is the only one that approaches anything like 100% ability to intergrate with the least chances of problems.

It would be nice to have a viable alternative.
January 22, 2006 1:05:34 AM

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Can someone please explain to me why these people exist?

What motivates a person to vehemently defend a particular brand of component :?:



You dealing with a social pattern designed by society but also by nature (similar to flocking pattern of birds). In other words people naturally align themselves in groups, form religious groups, language groups, races etc.. When emotions or feelings are used more then rational thought then you see the irrational type reasoning displayed from a fanboy. Blind to there own behavior towards others defending something as if it was sacred regardless of the evidence otherwise. Normal people behavior and patterns will make Fanboys or religious addicts of even cpu chips :lol: . So in essence it is in all of us to be fanboys.
January 22, 2006 1:12:05 AM

Alright, so maybe you have a point on the Intel mobo thingy and compatibility issues AMD can have with motherboards. But still, if you choose your hardware correctly and ask for advice it's rather hard to get it wrong.
I think we went off topic :p 
January 22, 2006 7:02:16 AM

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You dealing with a social pattern designed by society but also by nature (similar to flocking pattern of birds). In other words people naturally align themselves in groups, form religious groups, language groups, races etc.. When emotions or feelings are used more then rational thought then you see the irrational type reasoning displayed from a fanboy. Blind to there own behavior towards others defending something as if it was sacred regardless of the evidence otherwise. Normal people behavior and patterns will make Fanboys or religious addicts of even cpu chips Laughing. So in essence it is in all of us to be fanboys.


So thats why people choose AMD. They feel all warm inside protecting the weak!

We are after all discussing human likes and choice about an inanimate object produced by man to perform a certain function.

Choosing an object that is most likely to perform its function from the onset and without any further unnecessary intervention is not some form of cult following but plain common sense. I'm proud to say I am a fan of Intel. Not because I wish to follow them but simply because I got what I wanted and payed for.

Simply if you bought an AMD you don't wish to admit the results of your choice. Consequently the drum is beaten about small minor pluses, gaming which is not everything, and forgeting the other 99% of minuses which is then conveniently transformed and clothed into terms of heat namely Preshot a small minus.

The need to invent a much larger problem than actually exists to clothe ones poor choice points to a much deeper pshycological problem than being a fan of this or that.
January 22, 2006 7:37:16 AM

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OK they are getting rich BUT, nowadays we need technology in our daily lives, so there will be people who get rich, and fanboys just like things or companies just for no reason, see, we should say it like it is, Company X is better than Company Y, because X make better products, because it has been proven (through whatever methods), you should buy things that fit your needs, and that will give you best-bang-for-buck


Well put!

I buy whoever is the best at the time, like what I have now. I still have a AMD Barton 2800. Why, because I bought a 2.4intel H/T too. At the same time, I bought a 9800pro, and a 5900xt. Well, now I use a 9700pro + 1gig dual DDR. 80gig & 20 gig Raid HD's.

This was the system that gave me the best look, and speed of course. I will be doing the same next month, except going after Intel product. Dual Core, 64bit, have me sold. But the Video cards are still up in the air.

But yes, I would like to get this out in the air some more too. Why is it that people won't ever change?

I guess this is a question that would never EVER answer itself. No matter how bad one is, a person is still not knowledgable enough to bend toward the other brand name.

Hey, if a new brand that came out Called the Cleveland Browns, and kicked everyones butts in all catagories, and was the best by far!

I WOULD NEVER STOP PAYING MONEY TO WATCH MY STEELERS!!

GO PITTSBURGH, GET THAT ONE FOR THE THUMB!!

It's my money; I can spend it on whatever I choose! But I am not stuck on one brand name like so many of these so called Rookie computer experts!
January 22, 2006 8:04:43 AM

I see your point.
Lost would have us believe that he is an idiot Intel fanboy because of some halftruth that happened before he owned a computer.
I might say that I'm an idiot Amd fanboy because they have always given me the best price performance in my price range.
Truth about me is that I do go with the underdog a lot, and I've been sucked in by Intel's hype once too many times.
Still, if Intel offered better value than Amd, I would consider them, so maybe I'm not that good a fanboy.
January 22, 2006 8:26:22 AM

Who knows why some people are fanboys like amd or intel. All I can say is they keep amd and intel in business. I my self currently us a P4. So far no problems expect one of my IDE doesn't work on the intel mobo, but other than that no problems. I also use a western digital HD and the first one I had died on me. But I still use WD HD, not a fanboy of WD, it's just when I got my first PC and I was told WD was a good company and just don't need to change unless it keeps giving me problems. But for my new rig i'm getting a Opty 175, DFI, corsair mem 2gb, raptor 74gb. This is my third comp, and the reason i'm switching to AMD is because I hear good things about them. I've heard of AMD, but never really gave any thought about that company. But now all I hear is AMD. So, i'm going to give them a try and hopefully it will go all smooth and last for a long time. Samething goes for the mobo as well. I mean I've been doing a lot of reading in this forum and other's as well, and I read some bad stuff so, I hope I don't fall into that category about how my stuff wasn't compatible and stuff. But if it doesn't run smoothly, it's not like i'm going to bash AMD or other companies. Because sh*t happens. Unless it keeps happening then that's a different story. So, hopefully within a couple of weeks I will have my new rig set up. :twisted:
January 22, 2006 8:35:57 AM

About the benchmark result
der's no big diff. in 4%,5%,6%~7%
about brands just make sure the manufacturer isnt lyn.
About AMD vs. Intel
I choose intel
January 22, 2006 9:10:28 AM

I prefer a wallet that still has money in it, so you can guess what i buy. That is my only real motivation for buying amd, however i did have a really kickass 333 that was an intel it could run Baldur's Gate 2!!!!
January 22, 2006 9:12:27 AM

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I see your point.
Lost would have us believe that he is an idiot Intel fanboy because of some halftruth that happened before he owned a computer.
I might say that I'm an idiot Amd fanboy because they have always given me the best price performance in my price range.
Truth about me is that I do go with the underdog a lot, and I've been sucked in by Intel's hype once too many times.
Still, if Intel offered better value than Amd, I would consider them, so maybe I'm not that good a fanboy.


My friend I have built more systems than you have had hot breakfasts.

If my memory serves me right AMD has had "problems" for a very long time of one sort or another.

You obviously don't perouse through the rest of this forum. The w_ank_rs that continuosly ask "I've built my AMD system can you please toss over it like I do" or " I put this together and it don't boot".

I have had seven systems which I have built for myself and used personally. The longest lasted 10 years overclocked. I have never had an Intel based system that didn't boot first time.

When I first started to view THG when it first began it was all about AMD and incompatability and scrutinising Intel. You could purchase software with the knowledge that if you had AMD you would probably be searching for patches and pulling your hair out.

The posts today although somewhat different in nature still reflect this.

The performance gains you talk about a really so little. Cheap chips with lots of RA's.

PS how about u all get a life and breath some fresh air!!! :D 
January 22, 2006 11:34:25 AM

Fresh air is bad for my transistors.
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January 22, 2006 10:40:41 PM

compatibility problems? post some plz
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January 22, 2006 10:51:58 PM

I used to choose intel but the way prescott went (more useless cache, hotter cpus, equally expensive cpus), if i bought a new system right now, it wouldnt be Intel, especially when i can get a matching, cooler and faster AMD.

Intel Conroe which is coming in a few months tho, that might be worth looking at, but i aint expecting any mirracles.
January 22, 2006 11:06:09 PM

I used Intel mostly with 3 AMD's mixed in. Latest is an Opteron 175 939pin and it is great. Beats what I could have gotten with Intel and sure beats the socks off last years build of a P4 Prescott 3200.
Beginning with the first P4's Intel started losing the performance edge, and when AMD released the Athlon64's on 939pin is when they became a serious competitor in performance and stability.
At the end of this year I see Intel as becoming the one to buy again, but realistically speaking, it depends on what chips are available currently and how much as to which ones are the best to buy now, which currently it is AMD, but Intell is pulling up close behind.
January 22, 2006 11:22:14 PM

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they do get rich off us, but when AMD makes a better dual core chip intel releases cheap dual cores to match (well, there not as good, but there dam cheap).


ever wonder how a single 7800gt beats 2 6600gts in sli?
ever wonder if the next gen single cores will destroy the current dualcores?
(2years later)
ever wonder wat u were thinking wehn u payed 1k for that 4800+ two years ago when the lowest end single core is pawning it?

just a thought..
and yes VIA sux ass, same with SIS
January 22, 2006 11:24:00 PM

That's too bad, because I own an AMD, and still like Intel's products. All of my other systems are Intel, such as my Centrino laptop, or my second desktop (Pentium 4 HT northwood at 3.6GHz). The only reason I picked an X2 4800+, was the price difference between that and the Pentium X. The X would have cost me over 200$ more, so I went with the AMD and was also able to reuse some PC3200.
January 23, 2006 12:11:07 AM

personally i dont really care as long as i have a comp i can play on, just that amd is nicer on the wallet
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January 23, 2006 12:35:48 AM

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If my memory serves me right AMD has had "problems" for a very long time of one sort or another.

You obviously don't perouse through the rest of this forum. The w_ank_rs that continuosly ask "I've built my AMD system can you please toss over it like I do" or " I put this together and it don't boot".

I have had seven systems which I have built for myself and used personally. The longest lasted 10 years overclocked. I have never had an Intel based system that didn't boot first time.


This is the exact fanboy thing were talkin bout - have you ever build a AMD system to vouch for this? Ever heard of Noobs? Perhaps they come here to get "help" cause there first build wont post cause they forgot something. There have been no reports of dead AMD's yet (that iv heard), its the cheap crap boards if anything that cause issues (it seems most are MSI LOL, but its true!!!) - check it out for ur self.

Now heres the funny thing - if you have built systems for 10 years then you surly have build a socket7 (Pentium 1) based system - AMD and Intel used the exact same boards and socket - if you put an AMD in there it would allow that system to double the speed (p1 max=233mmx, AMD=K6-2/3 550) compared to and Intel, and the system would last just as long (until the board or other components die). AMD's socket7 processors breated life into old outdated boards so people didnt have to buy expensive P2's.

As for Intel's issues - did you hear bout the first boards "supporting pentium D" - THG went through bout 3 which the pentium D physically toasted, and what about the THG stress test - the AMD system kept on going while the Intel system's PSUs and boards die and other issues (mass system resets) - tell us who has more troubles?

Intel P1's also had a know math issues where it would calculate somethin wrong - cant remember the details but they had issues - If anyone knows bout this shed some light on our Fanboys.

INTEL AND AMD BOTH HAVE HAD THERE ISSUES

Fanboys just make one look worse then the other.
January 23, 2006 1:33:16 AM

The original pentiums (specifically the Intel 286) had a problem utilizing high memory. The term high memory was coined because it was a bug in the Intel processor programming (yes, even processors have programming). It caused the first 64 kb of extended memory to be unavailable, or missing.

Even though this was a bug on Intel's side, Microsoft used this bug by storing portions of their OS(Dos 5) in this "missing" memory. Thus freeing more memory for application use. So I guess it was still beneficial.

As it stands now, AMD does have the lead. Intel just has too many problems with its processors not performing well enough to justify the heat and power consumption. Until Intel improves its processor architecture, and moves back to a processor more like the PIII or Northwoods, I am sticking with AMD. I will give Intel a chance when real world benchmarks say they deserve it.

I admit, I am an AMD fanboy, but even I still admit Intel dominates the business sector for good reason, their processors just perform better on those types of apps.

In short, AMD for gaming people like me, Intel for businesses.
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January 23, 2006 1:53:02 AM

Intel also leads cause they offer Intel Chipset for Intel CPU's - everyone has to agree - intel do make the best chipsets for intel cpu's, no compatibility, stability and reliability issues and that prolly one reason Intel is the biggest, and cause companies like Dell can make reliable boards from reliable chipsets.

If a P4 (prescott and above) produced maybe ~80w for the dual core 3.2ghz then that would be acceptable - slightly slower then AMD but cooler, but they aint. Not only that, but they cost more.
January 23, 2006 1:54:48 AM

Yeah, this was my first AMD build, and I had no problems. Although I've had no problems with my Intels either.
January 23, 2006 2:25:15 AM

lol intel does make the best intel chipsets but nvidia and ati are catching up..
now if intel werent such jerks cuz they change chipsets everytime a new series of procs come out..byebye 955 here comes 975 and the ppl who bought new stuff recently instantly become futuref_ck3d instead of future proof
January 23, 2006 3:33:25 AM

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So thats why people choose AMD. They feel all warm inside protecting the weak!

We are after all discussing human likes and choice about an inanimate object produced by man to perform a certain function.

Choosing an object that is most likely to perform its function from the onset and without any further unnecessary intervention is not some form of cult following but plain common sense. I'm proud to say I am a fan of Intel. Not because I wish to follow them but simply because I got what I wanted and payed for.

Simply if you bought an AMD you don't wish to admit the results of your choice. Consequently the drum is beaten about small minor pluses, gaming which is not everything, and forgeting the other 99% of minuses which is then conveniently transformed and clothed into terms of heat namely Preshot a small minus.

The need to invent a much larger problem than actually exists to clothe ones poor choice points to a much deeper pshycological problem than being a fan of this or that.


lol, generalization, people choose one cpu or other items for many different reasons. Topic is Fanboys, not why people feel fuzy inside. You probably have rational reasons to choose what you do, Fanboys do not, but in many cases believe they do. I picked AMD this time for many reasons, was seriously considering Intel but went with AMD not because of the chips but because of a motherboard.
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January 23, 2006 4:08:53 AM

Actually now that you mention, Nvidia's first shot at taking on intel chipsets they did exceptionally well (actually didnt they win most of the benchmarks?) - concidering VIA has taken so many attempts and they were just 'siht.

On the otherhand there are too many chipsets, how many are there for socket 775? 915, 925, 945, 955, 975. WHAT HAPPEND TO THE GOOD OLD I440BX DAYS WHEN ANYTHING YOU THREW AT IT WORKED, IF NOT GET YOUR SOLDIERING IRON OUT AND MOD IT TILL IT DOES (celeron bx boards, some allowed mods mendocino (default) -> coppermine (cut one pin and soldier some wire onto the back of the socket) and tualatin (insulate and cut a few pins of the socket) - its dam intel changing the pin out just enough to stop backward compatibility when the cpu is exactly the same but they dont want us to think that. The only major diffrence between the S775 chipsets are RAM SPEED and thats not a feature - im sure all of em could get that speed if it was allowed, same with some supporting FSB1066 - THE INTEL 865 COULD DO THAT and even some of the 845pe boards even managed it.
January 23, 2006 4:17:25 AM

Old systems? I keep a few around, for people who's emachine is broken, or for thier young kids to use.
I have a 286 here somewhere. Intel chip, but made by Amd. It's not a loaner though, just a keepsake.
The three K6/2s are working as is the Athlon 750. Unfortuneatly the P2 266 died, so did the 2 P3-450s, and the socket celerons.
I've only built about 3K systems, I think, but it's just a sideline for me.
As for chipsets, the 865 has an issue with usb ports killing the south bridge.
The 820 wasn't that great either.
As to whether Intel chipsets caused a lot of the capacitor problems a few years back, I think they did.
While everybody loved the 440 chipsets, they were hard on mobos. The boards often got hotter than the chips.
As to why Intel chipsets were so slow to increase thier fsb speed, I'll never know. I mean they went from 133 to 200, what was that all about?
I also wonder how many chipsets Intel has needed for the P4s
No my friend, Intel's chipsets haven't been any better than thier chips.
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January 23, 2006 4:51:20 AM

intel prolly blames there poor chipsets for poor performance LOL
January 23, 2006 6:41:43 AM

I think they stopped whipping those little intel men in their colourful suits, some anti cruelty foundation probably tried to sue them or some such. I hear they have actually been giving the little bastards meat and vegetables. :x
January 23, 2006 8:21:33 AM

more filling

better taste

If there were 6 companies making CPU's there wouldn't be fan boys.

It wasn't too long ago that fights could be started over who had a faster car, Ford or Chevy. Then Dodge built the Charger.
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January 23, 2006 9:15:47 AM

There is (or was) about six companies making cpu's - the two obvious ones (Intel and AMD) then Transcend, Cyrix (or VIA), and back in the days was way more like IDT (i got two of em) Cyrix, NexGEN? (anyone got any details of them) and other smaller ones.

In the end all that was left after a buying out spree was AMD (bought NexGEN and their designs later called K6), Intel and Cyrix (who bought IDT if i remember correctly).

The thing is both companies offer close to full market coverage (budget, mid and high end processors and the same for the mobile market) so any other company wanting to come into the market will have to offer something better then them which is tough.

Same deal with the video card industry except there have been companies more recently trying to take em on - XGI and S3 (they aint new but they have returned) - even if they offered decent performance, compatibility is another issue.
January 23, 2006 5:24:06 PM

One thing I have noticed, and in particular certain people on this forum, are very quick to label anyone that posts any information (cost, benchmarks, experience for those of us that have it) supportive for company x a fanboy.

For instance, I currently run and AMD system with an ATI vid card. Any time I say anything in support of eitehr, I am labeled a fanboy. I've seen this happen with other people as well.

The reason I run AMD is because I feel that they currently had a better chip design for the price (based on my education in hardware engineering) when I bought my system (That, and Intel didn't have 64 bit support at the time). I know this will change in the future, and when I buy laptops, I stick with Intel, because they have better mobile products.

The reason I run ATI is becuase I had some bad experiences with NVidia a long time ago and switched at that time, then stuck with AIW cards for the extra features. However, next card I buy will most likely be NVidia because they are a little better currently.

I do agree that a lot of it is sheep mentality too. people get in groups and stay in them just for the sake of being in them, or because someone they respect told them they should always use X product.

People, By being loyal to one co. or another, you only hurt yourself and stifle innovation. If companies see that their market share is dependent on the quality of their product and not on brand loyalty, then they are more likely to spend money on R & D, and to put out better products.

Thats my thoughts, not that any of you care... :D 
January 23, 2006 7:53:09 PM

As i have said in one of my very first posts in this forum, INTEL or AMD is a personal choise depending on what you want to do with it. I chose an Intel (for now) coz it suits my current demands perfectly and if those demands change, i amy change my brand. This forum in particular is plagued by the so called "fanboys" and i think anyone who puplicly identifies as one is just a fool and sounds same to me as a person who will keep arguing that a certain brand of underwear is the best just cos he has 20 pairs of it.

Games though important are not all some people want to do with their PCs.

I multitask a lot and even though i play games (farcry n fear) my PC hasnt
been shut down for the last 4 months but is contributing to mankind by
helping find cures for diseases by Folding proteins at home.(which may
be just what will keep you alive infuture :? )

Try loading Folding@home program on your current PC to always run in
the backgroung at normal priority, then at the same time run an antivirus
scan while you are listining to music and encoding a DVD.plus your messenger
running at the corner. If your system can survive this then to me it has
proven its worth. whether your system is AMD or INTEL , it must be able to cope with that in my opinion. Not just hitting supersonic points in a Game benchmark,
this means nothing to me.

Some folk like a sleek Honda with its fuel economy and fast acceleration, others like a cadillac even though it consumes more fuel and doesnt have all the electrical gadgets the honda does.
Cadillac people, made that choice based on personal reasons. I dont understand why people can just have the decency to accept people the way they are.
You drive a honda ,i drive a cadillac, lets try and live together.

i guess we all have our own different opinions right?.
January 23, 2006 8:24:47 PM

I see nothing wrong with a brand preference. What I see wrong is how the business world always wants Intel.
January 23, 2006 8:31:39 PM

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I wouldn’t say, “Budweiser beer. It has a 6% higher alcohol to price ratio than half of the leading competition in 45% of lab tests. Budweiser is the only way to go. You, sir, need a Bud.”


hehe dont make me laugh Bud is a 8yr olds pop.


try a goerdie shandy(bottle of brown ale with a smirnoff ice)

or a pint of stella mixed with a bottle of vk...both will have you on the floor after 1.

or a pint glass filled with one shot of everything behind the bar.

anyway back on topic.

i choose AMD cause even when Intel was branded as being the best there systems felt slow, and i had a multitude of problems with them, when i switched to AMD all my problems cleared up apart from a slight heat issue which didnt bother me, it just meant buying a better HSF.

as for the ATI and Nvidia, ive only ever used on ATI system and hated there drivers, i stuck with Nvidia because of there excelent driver support but as i understand it recently ATI has gotten into shape and started to make better drivers although everyone i talk to hates there control panel thing. it might be enough to make me swap over to AMD but why make the leap if i *MIGHT* loose 300-500quid on a part i completly hate when i could just stay with the brand that ive never had a problem with.

BTW i know nvidia had a bad patch with the FX series i stayed up to date with that and went to the 5900 as soon axs it came out cause that was the only card that actually worked properly.
January 23, 2006 9:07:34 PM

I'm too lazy to read all the other bait but my response to the original question is MMA - Mass Market Advertising! The same reason people want a Ford instead of a Chevy, they bought some markting hype or saw a commercial and just wanted one. They may have bought the Ford even though a Chevy might have more horsepower, last longer, and have a higher resale value. (note, this is just a comparison!) It's the same with computers.

AMD boyz probably read some benchmark confirming their faith and Intel boyz like the catchy jingle. Brand recognition is also a stong force for consumers. I don't know the percentages but consumers are usually likely to buy the same brand as they did before when replacing the item.

If you're happy with what you have that's all that matters!
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January 23, 2006 9:12:20 PM

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I see nothing wrong with a brand preference. What I see wrong is how the business world always wants Intel.


thats what i aint like - A64's have the same features (including cpu overheat protection which the XP's didnt) and faster and cheaper and buisnesses still use Intels - hotter, slower and more expensive.
January 24, 2006 1:43:11 AM

In my experience consulting to the business world, Intel dominates there for three reasons:

1. The business world is slow moving and slower to adopt newer technologies than us enthusiasts. (Not to say they should move away from Intel, just that any apparent shift would take longer to show up).

2. The business world buys, at least in the US, buys most of their PCs from Cos such as Dell, Gateway, IBM, and HP. Most of these companies sell mostly Intel chips, so they get Intel by default.

3. Priorities - Businesses do not really have time to constnantly research who has the best part every few months and switch back and forth. They prefer stability, they know Intel works, and they would rather have what they are familiar with.

AMD is starting to make its way in the business world though, with their Opteron Servers, which have mostly proved to be a very viable alternative to Xeons.
January 24, 2006 3:40:10 AM

I think you have pretty much hit the point.

Companies who use computers don't need computers that play games faster or burn dvd's in three minutes. What they want is reliability, servicability, fast data transfer, security and compatibuility.

Intel is the bully with billions of dollars and years of experience in selling their products.

Have you ever played poker and you are sitting with a pot of $5.00 against someone with a pot of $5000.00? you may win but it takes a lot of luck and even more time.
January 24, 2006 3:51:44 AM

Exactly.

As others have pointed out, the worst thing that could hapopen to us is one company take over, whether it be Intel, AMD, IBM, etc.

Maybe you guys remember the troubles caused when that happened for a little company called M$oft??
January 24, 2006 4:49:56 AM

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Exactly.

As others have pointed out, the worst thing that could hapopen to us is one company take over, whether it be Intel, AMD, IBM, etc.

Maybe you guys remember the troubles caused when that happened for a little company called M$oft??


True but he was smart in what he did. Plus, he's getting hit with all kinds of law suits as well. I'm surprised Intel isn't getting hit with all kinds of law suits such as controlling most of the market. What is it? Like 80+ percent. :twisted:
January 24, 2006 5:36:54 AM

Actually, they are. AMD and several other companies are suing them for just that.
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