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Anonymous
April 6, 2005 8:00:49 PM

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This group has always helped me before so here's another question. I
setup an IFR flight plan from one airport to another but want to avoid
the pushback and taxi part. So I choose "Start on the active runway".
But it seems to always put me on a different runway than what the
controllers want me to take off from. So I see there is a controller
window choice for something like "Request to depart from a different
runway" but the runway that *I'm on* is not one of the choices. So I am
prevented from contacting the tower for takeoff clearance until I taxi
from that runway to the one they told me. If I take off from that
runway, they yell at me that I'm not authorized to take off from that
runway and cancel my IFR. So how can I setup an IFR and avoid the taxi
step? Thanks.

John Black

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Anonymous
April 6, 2005 8:00:50 PM

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John Black <jblack@texas.net> wrote:

> If I take off from that
>runway, they yell at me that I'm not authorized to take off from that
>runway and cancel my IFR. So how can I setup an IFR and avoid the taxi
>step? Thanks.

John,

AFAIK you can't.
ATC has ultimate control, just like in real life!
Despite them calling you PIC (Pilot in *Command*) you haven't got any
command authority. But if something goes wrong - it's all yours :-(

If you want to stay Sim-legal, all you can do is taxi or quick taxi
(TM) (aka 'slew') to where they want you to go. Or face the
consequences...

-=tom==-
Anonymous
April 6, 2005 8:00:50 PM

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John Black wrote:

<snip>
> So how can I setup an IFR and avoid the taxi step?

One method, although not very realistic, is to have the flight start at
the gate/ramp, then when instructed to taxi, switch to top down view,
and slew to the departure end of the runway. When you reach the end,
you will be presented with the ATC communication choices as if you
taxied there.

--
Peter
(via Google Groups)
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Anonymous
April 6, 2005 9:11:57 PM

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"John Black" <jblack@texas.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1cbdc3d376b14e5b9897c7@news.chi.sbcglobal.net...
> This group has always helped me before so here's another question. I
> setup an IFR flight plan from one airport to another but want to avoid
> the pushback and taxi part. So I choose "Start on the active runway".
> But it seems to always put me on a different runway than what the
> controllers want me to take off from. So I see there is a controller
> window choice for something like "Request to depart from a different
> runway" but the runway that *I'm on* is not one of the choices. So I am
> prevented from contacting the tower for takeoff clearance until I taxi
> from that runway to the one they told me. If I take off from that
> runway, they yell at me that I'm not authorized to take off from that
> runway and cancel my IFR. So how can I setup an IFR and avoid the taxi
> step? Thanks.
>
> John Black

You might try turning off Active Sky or Real World Weather, as the case may
be. It sounds like the active runway changes between the start of the
flight and your IFR clearance call. This is when the weather is loaded and
prevailing winds change.
April 6, 2005 9:17:42 PM

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On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 16:00:49 GMT, John Black <jblack@texas.net>
brought the following to our attention:

>This group has always helped me before so here's another question. I
>setup an IFR flight plan from one airport to another but want to avoid
>the pushback and taxi part. So I choose "Start on the active runway".
>But it seems to always put me on a different runway than what the
>controllers want me to take off from. So I see there is a controller
>window choice for something like "Request to depart from a different
>runway" but the runway that *I'm on* is not one of the choices. So I am
>prevented from contacting the tower for takeoff clearance until I taxi
>from that runway to the one they told me. If I take off from that
>runway, they yell at me that I'm not authorized to take off from that
>runway and cancel my IFR. So how can I setup an IFR and avoid the taxi
>step? Thanks.
>
>John Black

Does this happen in FS9? In FS8.. I always start an IFR flight from
`position and hold' on runway. Would do the `gate and taxi' thing if
the steering and taxi thrust were closer to real. Speaking of which..
the gurus are working on taxi and runway friction.. so taxiing and
thrust threshold will be better soon.


-Gregory
Anonymous
April 7, 2005 1:36:53 AM

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"John Black" <jblack@texas.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1cbdc3d376b14e5b9897c7@news.chi.sbcglobal.net...
> This group has always helped me before so here's another question. I
> setup an IFR flight plan from one airport to another but want to avoid
> the pushback and taxi part. So I choose "Start on the active runway".
> But it seems to always put me on a different runway than what the
> controllers want me to take off from. So I see there is a controller
> window choice for something like "Request to depart from a different
> runway" but the runway that *I'm on* is not one of the choices. So I am
> prevented from contacting the tower for takeoff clearance until I taxi
> from that runway to the one they told me. If I take off from that
> runway, they yell at me that I'm not authorized to take off from that
> runway and cancel my IFR. So how can I setup an IFR and avoid the taxi
> step? Thanks.

I think that at the bottom of the screen from which you can choose an
airport is a pull-down menu with choices of runways. Change "Active Runway"
to the actual runway number that you want. I don't use IFR flight plans, so
this might not work for what you're trying to do, but maybe it will.
Anonymous
April 7, 2005 4:23:31 PM

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On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 16:00:49 GMT, John Black <jblack@texas.net> wrote:

>This group has always helped me before so here's another question. I
>setup an IFR flight plan from one airport to another but want to avoid
>the pushback and taxi part. So I choose "Start on the active runway".

[SNIP]

Hi John

When starting on the active runway I still have to go through the
"taxi and hold short of runway X" business. However, a few clicks on
the appropriate ATC command keys (numbers 1, 2, 3 etc) soon satisfies
ATC. My request for take off is soon granted and only occasionally do
I have to hold.

FS2002

James
Anonymous
April 7, 2005 6:23:12 PM

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John Black wrote:
> This group has always helped me before so here's another question. I
> setup an IFR flight plan from one airport to another but want to avoid
> the pushback and taxi part. So I choose "Start on the active runway".
> But it seems to always put me on a different runway than what the
> controllers want me to take off from. So I see there is a controller
> window choice for something like "Request to depart from a different
> runway" but the runway that *I'm on* is not one of the choices. So I am
> prevented from contacting the tower for takeoff clearance until I taxi
> from that runway to the one they told me. If I take off from that
> runway, they yell at me that I'm not authorized to take off from that
> runway and cancel my IFR. So how can I setup an IFR and avoid the taxi
> step? Thanks.
>
> John Black


Why would you want to skip pushback and taxi???!!???...it´s one of the
most interesting parts of any flight...
You can even try to follow ATC taxi instructions to the runway...without
turning on your TAXI HELP (as i call it...), and it´s a
challenge...specially at those big and busy hubs. You will get lost a
few times...but you will eventually master it. And if you have add-on AI

traffic( mine is Project AI), isn´t it great when you follow all those
departing flights to the runway...or when you have to hold as a 747 is
on final.

Carlos Sousa

LPPR - Francisco Sá Carneiro, Porto, Portugal
Anonymous
April 7, 2005 8:07:28 PM

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In article <4255343f$0$9450$a729d347@news.telepac.pt>, carlos_30
@netcabo.pt says...
> John Black wrote:
> > This group has always helped me before so here's another question. I
> > setup an IFR flight plan from one airport to another but want to avoid
> > the pushback and taxi part. So I choose "Start on the active runway".
> > But it seems to always put me on a different runway than what the
> > controllers want me to take off from. So I see there is a controller
> > window choice for something like "Request to depart from a different
> > runway" but the runway that *I'm on* is not one of the choices. So I am
> > prevented from contacting the tower for takeoff clearance until I taxi
> > from that runway to the one they told me. If I take off from that
> > runway, they yell at me that I'm not authorized to take off from that
> > runway and cancel my IFR. So how can I setup an IFR and avoid the taxi
> > step? Thanks.
> >
> > John Black
>
>
> Why would you want to skip pushback and taxi???!!???...it?s one of the
> most interesting parts of any flight...

Um, not really. Also, I don't always want to skip it; just sometimes.

John Black
Anonymous
April 7, 2005 8:09:08 PM

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In article <1112832705.3a8d9debf0b049fdfa05c49cd85d8c8d@teranews>,
XXBeeXXFlXXXow@msn.com says...
>
> "John Black" <jblack@texas.net> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1cbdc3d376b14e5b9897c7@news.chi.sbcglobal.net...
> > This group has always helped me before so here's another question. I
> > setup an IFR flight plan from one airport to another but want to avoid
> > the pushback and taxi part. So I choose "Start on the active runway".
> > But it seems to always put me on a different runway than what the
> > controllers want me to take off from. So I see there is a controller
> > window choice for something like "Request to depart from a different
> > runway" but the runway that *I'm on* is not one of the choices. So I am
> > prevented from contacting the tower for takeoff clearance until I taxi
> > from that runway to the one they told me. If I take off from that
> > runway, they yell at me that I'm not authorized to take off from that
> > runway and cancel my IFR. So how can I setup an IFR and avoid the taxi
> > step? Thanks.
> >
> > John Black
>
> You might try turning off Active Sky or Real World Weather, as the case may
> be. It sounds like the active runway changes between the start of the
> flight and your IFR clearance call. This is when the weather is loaded and
> prevailing winds change.

I don't use those but usually have weather selected other than "Clear
Skies". Everything is selected when I press "Fly Now" so it seems like
it would be a simple thing for the sim to put me on the current active
runway when I choose active runway.

John Black
Anonymous
April 7, 2005 8:10:59 PM

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In article <T805e.1837$1l7.1697@fe04.lga>, sawdust100@charter.net
says...
>
> "John Black" <jblack@texas.net> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1cbdc3d376b14e5b9897c7@news.chi.sbcglobal.net...
> > This group has always helped me before so here's another question. I
> > setup an IFR flight plan from one airport to another but want to avoid
> > the pushback and taxi part. So I choose "Start on the active runway".
> > But it seems to always put me on a different runway than what the
> > controllers want me to take off from. So I see there is a controller
> > window choice for something like "Request to depart from a different
> > runway" but the runway that *I'm on* is not one of the choices. So I am
> > prevented from contacting the tower for takeoff clearance until I taxi
> > from that runway to the one they told me. If I take off from that
> > runway, they yell at me that I'm not authorized to take off from that
> > runway and cancel my IFR. So how can I setup an IFR and avoid the taxi
> > step? Thanks.
>
> I think that at the bottom of the screen from which you can choose an
> airport is a pull-down menu with choices of runways. Change "Active Runway"
> to the actual runway number that you want. I don't use IFR flight plans, so
> this might not work for what you're trying to do, but maybe it will.

I can choose any runway at that point but the problem is that I don't
know at that time which runway ATC will want me to take off from.
That's why I thought choosing "Active Runway" would do what I needed but
it doesn't.

John Black
Anonymous
April 7, 2005 8:15:29 PM

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In article <gc9a51ha0fiqrgm6n2stsgtvkbvcotc6gi@4ax.com>,
jUNDERSCOREhodson@ntlworld.com.invalid says...
> On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 16:00:49 GMT, John Black <jblack@texas.net> wrote:
>
> >This group has always helped me before so here's another question. I
> >setup an IFR flight plan from one airport to another but want to avoid
> >the pushback and taxi part. So I choose "Start on the active runway".
>
> [SNIP]
>
> Hi John
>
> When starting on the active runway I still have to go through the
> "taxi and hold short of runway X" business. However, a few clicks on
> the appropriate ATC command keys (numbers 1, 2, 3 etc) soon satisfies
> ATC. My request for take off is soon granted and only occasionally do
> I have to hold.

That is how it should work but in FS2004 I am frequently put on a
different runway than what ATC wants me to take off from when I choose
start from active runway. There seems to be no way to convince ATC at
that point to allow me to take off from the runway that I'm on.

John Black
Anonymous
April 7, 2005 8:15:30 PM

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Hi,

What I find it that FS sometimes makes "mistakes". I can usually fix it
by going to World/Map, changing my heading by one degree, and then
clicking OK. This resets ATC. Then use World/Goto Airport to put
yourself onto the correct Active Runway.

Hope this helps,

John Black wrote:
> In article <gc9a51ha0fiqrgm6n2stsgtvkbvcotc6gi@4ax.com>,
> jUNDERSCOREhodson@ntlworld.com.invalid says...
>
>>On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 16:00:49 GMT, John Black <jblack@texas.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>This group has always helped me before so here's another question. I
>>>setup an IFR flight plan from one airport to another but want to avoid
>>>the pushback and taxi part. So I choose "Start on the active runway".
>>
>>[SNIP]
>>
>>Hi John
>>
>>When starting on the active runway I still have to go through the
>>"taxi and hold short of runway X" business. However, a few clicks on
>>the appropriate ATC command keys (numbers 1, 2, 3 etc) soon satisfies
>>ATC. My request for take off is soon granted and only occasionally do
>>I have to hold.
>
>
> That is how it should work but in FS2004 I am frequently put on a
> different runway than what ATC wants me to take off from when I choose
> start from active runway. There seems to be no way to convince ATC at
> that point to allow me to take off from the runway that I'm on.
>
> John Black
Anonymous
April 7, 2005 10:55:08 PM

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"John Black" <jblack@texas.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1cbf17aff7dd38979897ce@news.chi.sbcglobal.net...
> In article <T805e.1837$1l7.1697@fe04.lga>, sawdust100@charter.net
> says...
>>
>> "John Black" <jblack@texas.net> wrote in message
>> news:MPG.1cbdc3d376b14e5b9897c7@news.chi.sbcglobal.net...
>> > This group has always helped me before so here's another question. I
>> > setup an IFR flight plan from one airport to another but want to avoid
>> > the pushback and taxi part. So I choose "Start on the active runway".
>> > But it seems to always put me on a different runway than what the
>> > controllers want me to take off from. So I see there is a controller
>> > window choice for something like "Request to depart from a different
>> > runway" but the runway that *I'm on* is not one of the choices. So I
>> > am
>> > prevented from contacting the tower for takeoff clearance until I taxi
>> > from that runway to the one they told me. If I take off from that
>> > runway, they yell at me that I'm not authorized to take off from that
>> > runway and cancel my IFR. So how can I setup an IFR and avoid the taxi
>> > step? Thanks.
>>
>> I think that at the bottom of the screen from which you can choose an
>> airport is a pull-down menu with choices of runways. Change "Active
>> Runway"
>> to the actual runway number that you want. I don't use IFR flight plans,
>> so
>> this might not work for what you're trying to do, but maybe it will.
>
> I can choose any runway at that point but the problem is that I don't
> know at that time which runway ATC will want me to take off from.
> That's why I thought choosing "Active Runway" would do what I needed but
> it doesn't.

Have you tried changing this after you've started the flight find out the
runway that ATC wants you to use? You can use the pull-down menus to access
the change airport screen, then just select the same airport but change the
runway. Don't know if this would interrupt the flight plan or not, though.
!