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April 7, 2005 10:31:17 AM

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What exactly are the Medical exam and requirements to get a PPL... If you
already have a Doctor, do they fill out and submit a form? What does it
take to get grounded or disqualified?

Dallas

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Anonymous
April 7, 2005 10:31:18 AM

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"Dallas" <Cybnorm@spam_me_not.Hotmail.Com> wrote in message
news:Vs45e.2115$An2.408@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>
> What exactly are the Medical exam and requirements to get a PPL... If you
> already have a Doctor, do they fill out and submit a form? What does it
> take to get grounded or disqualified?
>
> Dallas

To exercise the privledges of a Private Pilot certificate:

Fill out the FAA form (with complete veracity) and pass an exam administered
by an AME (AeroMedical Examiner). IIRC, there are two grades of AMEs. Both
can administer the 2nd (Commercial Pilots) and 3rd class exams but only the
higher grade can administer the 1st Class medical exam (for ATPs...renewed
every 6 months...)

The 3rd Class medical is good for three years (Under Age 40) or for two
years (Over Age 40.) My exam was pretty much a normal, general physical
exam plus vision (accuity and color) and a hearing test.

There are disqualifying conditions and then there are situations where you
might need to send additional paperwork to Oklahoma City documenting that a
conditon is under control and you are not using any disqualifying meds.

You have to be careful because even the most innocent over-the-counter
medication can react strangely with altitude.

You can read more on AeroMedical Factors here:

http://www.aviationmedicine.com/meds.htm

Good FAQ regarding the path to getting your PPC here:

http://www.aopa.org/learntofly/

Don't forget:

www.beapilot.com

First flight lesson for only $49...a great deal if you are remotely curious.

Thinking of taking the plunge? I highly reccomend it!

Jay Beckman
PP-ASEL / Sim Pilot Too
Chandler, AZ
April 7, 2005 11:55:57 AM

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Dallas wrote:
> What exactly are the Medical exam and requirements to get a PPL... If you
> already have a Doctor, do they fill out and submit a form? What does it
> take to get grounded or disqualified?
>
> Dallas
>
>
>

FWIW I have always taken 2nd class medicals for the Army and later in
order to use my ATP Helicopter rating. The FAA has a list of approved
Doctors, I had to drive to Temple (30 miles)to see the closest one.

To let you in on the hearing test as conducted in the Army for a flight
physical you must get into a soundproof booth with a headset and press a
button when you hear a tone. It checks all bands in the audio spectrum.
The last time I took the exam from a civilian Doctor, he had me stand
in the corner, close my eyes, and repeat what he whispered from across
the room.

The PPL, 3d class physical is something less I would think. But I'm sure
there are pilots here that can explain more.
--

boB

U.S. Army Aviation (retired)
Central Texas - 5NM West of Gray Army Airfield (KGRK)
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Anonymous
April 7, 2005 12:32:17 PM

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Dallas wrote:

> If you already have a Doctor, do they fill out and submit a form?

Someone else already posted information about the requirements,
depending on the class of medical desired. Regarding using your own
Rx, a doctor has to be a certified aviation medical examiner in order
to sign off on a medical. Thus, as most doctors are not AMEs, most
cannot sign off their patients.

I have read that if your primary doctor *is* an AME, it is advisable
that you do *not* use him as the doctor for your aviation medicals. As
with any federal burocrat, the advice is true that one say just the
minimum needed to apply for the medical. This advice conflicts with
the obvious need to be as honest with your primary doctor as you can in
order to receive the best possible care.

> What does it take to get grounded or disqualified?

Once you have your medical, disqualifying factors are heart issues,
sinus or headache issues, drastic eye sight problems (this depends on
the class of medical), having to take a medication that is blacklisted
by the FAA, and non-medical related issues such as being convicted of a
felony or a driving while impared/intoxicated.

--
Peter
April 7, 2005 1:30:54 PM

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Jay Beckman wrote:
> "Dallas" <Cybnorm@spam_me_not.Hotmail.Com> wrote in message
> news:Vs45e.2115$An2.408@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>
>>What exactly are the Medical exam and requirements to get a PPL... If you
>>already have a Doctor, do they fill out and submit a form? What does it
>>take to get grounded or disqualified?
>>
>>Dallas
>
>
> To exercise the privledges of a Private Pilot certificate:
>
> Fill out the FAA form (with complete veracity) and pass an exam administered
> by an AME (AeroMedical Examiner). IIRC, there are two grades of AMEs. Both
> can administer the 2nd (Commercial Pilots) and 3rd class exams but only the
> higher grade can administer the 1st Class medical exam (for ATPs...renewed
> every 6 months...)
>
> The 3rd Class medical is good for three years (Under Age 40) or for two
> years (Over Age 40.) My exam was pretty much a normal, general physical
> exam plus vision (accuity and color) and a hearing test.


Thanks Jay. I might have confused him. I was able to get by on the
class 2 medical (yearly) because I was flying for a company that only
required the Commercial rating. They did have scheduled air flights but
I didn't stay on with them for a full time position.

--

boB

U.S. Army Aviation (retired)
Central Texas - 5NM West of Gray Army Airfield (KGRK)
Anonymous
April 7, 2005 3:18:48 PM

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When I was taking my PPL some years ago, I went to a doctor nearby. He
claimed he had approved The Duchess of York for her helicopter licence. It
all went downhill from then on.

He pointed to a jar on a shelf about ten feet away and said, 'Would you pee
into that for me?'

I said 'What, from here?' He did not laugh as apparently it is a very old
joke...

He then gave me a complete eye test with the usual charts and an
electrocardiagram test. He spent the whole time telling me about the famous
people he had tested, and about how many sick airline pilots he had got
through their medicals!

Needless to say he also passed me! Cost 150 UKP.

Cheers,

Quilly
April 7, 2005 11:04:08 PM

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"Quilljar"
> He spent the whole time telling me
> about how many sick airline pilots he had got
> through their medicals!

Remind me to not fly British next time.

<G>

Dallas
Anonymous
April 8, 2005 3:56:43 PM

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On 2005-04-07, Quilljar <wykehill-flightsim@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> When I was taking my PPL some years ago, I went to a doctor nearby. He
> claimed he had approved The Duchess of York for her helicopter licence. It
> all went downhill from then on.
>
Seeing as medicals are being discussed perhaps someone would point me at
relevent information regarding colour-blindness and PPL?

Justin.

--
Justin C by the sea.
Anonymous
April 8, 2005 4:16:55 PM

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I found these two letters through Google which might help

Quilly

Dunc, in the USA you can go to an FSDO (Flight Standards District Office)
and take what's called a SODA (Statement of Demonstrated Abilty) test. It
simply involves showing an FAA examiner that you are capable of flying your
aircraft.
As I understand it; color-blindness is fairly common in men...I have a
friend who got his licence and can't tell a green light from a white light.
His problem was he couldn't tell green from white light gun signals...once
he realized that in the air there are no white light gun signal from the
tower (in case of radio failure) he was home free!!!
I have no central vision in my right eye due to a viral infection...my
periferal (sp) vision is fine ( I still fly Remote Control Helicopters...)
as is the vision in my left eye. Though I can never get a Class 1 Medical
certificate and fly Commercial, I can and did get a Class 2 which will
enable me to be a Flight Instructor (my goal) and fly for fun!
The steps are simple in the US: contact the FAA in Oklahoma City, explain
your problem and they will walk you thru the prosess. You will be sent a
letter of authrozation to take the SODA test and a name of someone at your
regional FSDO. Make your flight test apointment...show up and fly...get your
waiver! It's good for as long as you're problem remains unchanged.
Contrary to what I've been led to believe; the FAA people in both the
Oklahoma City and the Baton Rouge LA. FSDO were nice, helpful and went the
extra mile to help me attain my licence...(thanks Mr. Micellei!!!).
I hope this helps you...
Chris Carlson

Hello,

I'm Capt. J.Louw

I already sended an E-mail to the Dunc Fellow. but this is one for the
Co-pilot!! I'm a Capt. on a private jet and i'm color blind. but there are
many ways to help you're eyes to become normal again. But the thing is if
you go for an eye test in america if you are color blind they will give you
a Class 1 medical cause there are no laws in America about color blindness
and flying. I am color blind and they gave me a class one medical in
America. but i was not allowed to fly in South - Africa cause the law and
all the rules and regulations are much higher over here as in America. So
incase the Dunc fella is going to do his medical in the usa he will be able
to fly but only in america, so if he just do all the things i told him to do
he will be able to get he's class one medical and will be allowed to fly all
over the world. but ya..if he really want's to fly he will have to do allot
for it. (Incase you would like to know what color blindness can stop - Just
send me an E - Mail)

Kind regards
Capt.J.Louw

Springbok305@hotmail.com

------------------
Capt. J.Louw
April 8, 2005 11:40:28 PM

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"pr"
> having to take a medication that is blacklisted
> by the FAA

How do they find out what you're taking? I mean, if they ask.. some would
just say, "Nope, nothing".

Dallas
Anonymous
April 8, 2005 11:40:29 PM

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"Dallas" <Cybnorm@spam_me_not.Hotmail.Com> wrote:

>"pr"
>> having to take a medication that is blacklisted
>> by the FAA
>
>How do they find out what you're taking? I mean, if they ask.. some would
>just say, "Nope, nothing".
>
>Dallas

Just like with a lot of things - you can get away with it until
something happens.

-=tom=-
April 8, 2005 11:41:53 PM

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"pr"
> non-medical related issues such as being convicted of a
> felony or a driving while impared/intoxicated.

Whoops! There goes CRaSH's chances of getting current.

Varmit
April 8, 2005 11:43:03 PM

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"Jay Beckman"
> Thinking of taking the plunge?

Yeah.. for the past 10 years. :-)

Dallas
April 9, 2005 2:11:34 AM

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Dallas wrote:
> "Jay Beckman"
>
>>Thinking of taking the plunge?
>
>
> Yeah.. for the past 10 years. :-)
>
> Dallas
>
>
>

Hey Dalli,

Did you ever look at all the aircraft that fall under the "sport pilot"
rating? No medical required. If not you can look here:

Come to think about it, doesn't that aircraft you are standing beside
qualify as a sport plane???????


Scroll down to the aircraft list
http://sonrisesportaviation.com/spl.html

or here - don't bother with the ultra-micro-light aircraft.
http://www.aircraftsuper-market.com/forsale.shtml

--

boB

U.S. Army Aviation (retired)
Central Texas - 5NM West of Gray Army Airfield (KGRK)
April 9, 2005 9:40:37 AM

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"boB"
> Come to think about it, doesn't that aircraft you are standing beside
> qualify as a sport plane???????

No that's actually a Citabria... a version of the Champion... Decathlon...
Scout... etc... I think it's way too fast for the sport class, you can be
at 120 kts in just a few seconds after take off. 150 kts is nothing to be
concerned about.

Besides, that one is a monster... you can't just rent it with a PPL...
you have to get certified in tail draggers... and you have to rent it every
89 days or you can't take a passenger up until you take a check ride again.

Dallas
April 9, 2005 9:50:26 AM

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"boB"
> Did you ever look at all the aircraft that fall under the "sport pilot"
> rating? No medical required.

Fortunately the medical is no problem. But, you got me thinking about the
"sport pilot" thing with your gyrocopter essay and I just purchased Bill
Lyon's QC Challenger II just to get the flavor of the concept.

I saw a Challenger II for sale in Tennessee for $16,000 and thought about it
for a second, then the realities of the ultralight world came into focus.
Getting that thing home from Tennessee at 60 knots/hour in daylight hours
would be like the Bataan Death March . :-)


Dallas
April 9, 2005 10:22:41 AM

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Dallas wrote:

> "boB"
>
>>Did you ever look at all the aircraft that fall under the "sport pilot"
>>rating? No medical required.
>
>
> Fortunately the medical is no problem. But, you got me thinking about the
> "sport pilot" thing with your gyrocopter essay and I just purchased Bill
> Lyon's QC Challenger II just to get the flavor of the concept.
>
> I saw a Challenger II for sale in Tennessee for $16,000 and thought about it
> for a second, then the realities of the ultralight world came into focus.
> Getting that thing home from Tennessee at 60 knots/hour in daylight hours
> would be like the Bataan Death March . :-)
>
>
> Dallas
>


But it would be a BLAST for you to fly it from Tennessee. Man, it's not
that far, just a couple states. I would do it for you but I'd have to
stop all this medication I'm on, but damn, I'd love to do it.

But keep looking. I've flown a Challenger II and wasn't too impressed
and there is the problem of 2 seats. 2 seat ultra (micro) lites are for
training only. You would have to register it and get an N number so you
could fly it under the Sport Pilot category. Since you will have to do
that you should look for a more stable and solid aircraft.

I have read some complaints about the RAF2000 Gyro. It comes down to
people complaining that it's not stable and you have to fly it 100% of
the time. DUH... They should fly a Bell 206. Well, maybe not. I have
been able to set the aircraft up so I could turn by leaning right or left.


--

boB

U.S. Army Aviation (retired)
Central Texas - 5NM West of Gray Army Airfield (KGRK)
Anonymous
April 10, 2005 10:41:40 PM

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Dallas <Cybnorm@spam_me_not.Hotmail.Com> wrote:

> "pr"
>> having to take a medication that is blacklisted
>> by the FAA
>
> How do they find out what you're taking? I mean, if they ask.. some would
> just say, "Nope, nothing".

A pilot is expected to be honest when filling out the medical form.
However, there are many pilots who break this rule and the NTSB accident
database has at least a few accidents where a post-accident autopsy on the
pilot revealed unapproved medication.

--
Peter













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