What's the best way to go on a external HDD??? I'd like to get these 50 or 60 discs of photos on one....
I was wondering if you'd format it in NTSF??? If so & you have all your data on a external HDD & the file system changes, would that be a problem???? I want it so the data can be taken forward into the future, Vista & beyond.....
NTFS will be support for years to come. I'm not certain about the new file system Vista will have but it will be backwards compatible. Most likely, they'll offer a utility to convert your existing NTFS over to the new Vista format.
NTFS at this time is the best, and only, way to go.
Microsoft seems devoted to Vista. It should take care of you, in terms of support.
I thought so, myself, but wanted to run it by here....
What type of unit is good? Should you get a kit & buy a HDD for it or just go with a know company like WD????
I tried to find some info on the ins & outs of them.... Didn't seem to find what I was looking for though.....
I figure the data will be safer than on discs.....
WD makes a good USB one but my rep over at CDW is telling me these other name brands I've never heard of make really good external USB Drives. I bought a 300GB, USB2.0 for $187 or something with my discount. It works good, includes software to copy stuff if needed.. works good so far.
I've got a couple of these I picked up at a computer show. I've had them for over two years and they work fine (even have their own cooling fan and external PS) - USB 2. I use them with IDE HDD to back up. I got the external enclosures since I've got a handful of IDE drives - easy to assemble.
BYTECC ME-320U2 Plastic 5.25" USB2.0 (type B) External Enclosure - Retail
I like the fact that the fans still work after 2 years - although I don't have them on all the time - just back up stuff.
Great!!! As cheap as HDDs are now, this would be nice.....
I bought some Fantom Drives brand 250gig USB drives from Buy last year - they're under $100 now, or were in an ad a couple weeks ago. Sounds like a WD drive inside. No complaints and they're used every day.
I have another one - forget the brand, has a Maxtor drive in it (unmistakable sound) and its flakey. Works most of the time.
Kit or bare drive - whichever turns up cheapest.
Mike.
I'll check that out man...... I don't want to spend a ton of money, but want quality..... I'm like WD drives, myself... I've never had one go belly up on me yet, Knock on wood!!!! Thanks.....
LOL, in my mailbox this PM is a flyer from Buy.com. Here's the drive I mentioned:
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Mike.
maxtor = teh suck.
RC - that external enclosure link I gave you is a predominately plastic shell - I've read where aluminum is better (serves as a heat-sink). Since I've only bought two and they both work fine, keep in mind that the exterior is plastic.
I've got two of the same enclosures Jake has and have had no problems in the last year and a half. One of them has a HDD and the other an optical drive. Like Jake, I don't run them all the time but only when I'm going to use them. Pretty cheap way to go and you can move drives in and out of them if you really want to be skin-flint.
Vista also uses NTFS.
Thanks to both you & Jake
I'm looking to carry my Family history forward... That's what I'm after, really!!!!
I've scanned every photo I've taken since I was married...... It's on 39 discs..... I had my own color darkroom for a long time..... [shrug] They've all gone red, but with PhotoShop, I've restored them......
Now I have all th B & W photos of my growing up to scan all the way through to where Bibles left off for Family History & photos came into being......
I want them on something that will go forward.......
Good idea.
I wish I had more pics of my grandparents and such when they were younger.
I've got a cousin that is a Pro with shooting video..... He knows nothing beyond that...... He digitized some of the first video ever shot on VHS, which was a way back!!!!! He also digitized all the 8mm films shot at Family gatherings..... He put out a 4 disc set of video of my Grandmother & the Family since VHS came out!!!! It's awesome, Man!!!!
When he put it out, he had video of my Father I'd never seen on the set!!!! I lost it!!!!! The sound of his voice is worth more $$$$ than I can ever pay!!!!! I want to pass my voice & Family forward!!!!
It's like this for me...... My Family history is written in a Bible until my Grandmother was born in 1902...... I want to go from that, to actually having my future generations hear my voice & sharing my feelings!!!!
Puters have made it possible!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
True that. I've got 8mm's of me as a kid that were long ago put on VHS when they
were the latest and greatest and now have been captured on my computer.
Tranfer them every decade or so is all it takes.
That & give a copy to my kids..... Something happens, there's always 2 of them floating around!!!!
Beyond games & such, I believe this is what all the puter work I've ever done is for..... 100 years from now, I hope they will know what I was about & what I felt in my lifetime.....
Don't get me wrong.... I'm going to be around for a long, long time..... I just look ahead.......
I did the same. All my pics are on my drive, a couple of DVD's and my dad's
got copies too.
My dad found a treasure trove of photos and movies when he cleaned out his folks' place. Going way back. Has been working on organizing and scanning it for years. Great stuff.
Cool to look at, huh? Especially it they're shots of places you know. A trip to see the
changes.
I'll tell you one thing!!!!! He's got his hands full....
Once I started on it, it's became a quest or something.... Weird how you see your whole life go before your eyes.....
That's no BS......
Yeah, it is. He's given me half a dozen CDs and two thick albums so far, with plenty of thick stacks still left on his table.
Yeah, RC, he has his hands full, but he retired near the same age as you (54), so he's in no rush. *
* I realize I risked a serious breach of riser's quoting rules with this, but I assume he'll get over it
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Unlikely, so I covered for you.
I retired at 51 Man!!!!!
Credit is due!!!!
So you retired 30 years ago? [/harsh]
*Blinks*
[shakes friggen head]
It's 4am here. Don't expect Mr Nice Guy at this time in the morning.
It's late here as well......
I'm off to the water bed & a good sleep....
Don't worry, I've protected Command Central from a Wingy attack!!!!
The whistlin' foot o' doom is better than a nuclear deterrent anyway
I just had this thought: Can you do a low level format on an external (USB or Firewire) connected HDD? I know I can download a small (floppy) file from the HDD manufacturer and write zero's to internal drives by booting to the floopy and running the low level format ... but has anyone done this with an external drive.
I'd like to "wipe" the external drive rather than just format the thing.
TMI - ok, I want to just write zero's a couple of times to the external drive. I suppose I could disassemble the external enclosure (pain in the arse) and install it in a box, boot to the floppy and "write zero's" that way - but I'm looking for the lazy man's way to do it externally.
My master backup is a Seagate USB2.0 bought it as a complete stand alone unit and it has worked great and stayed cool the enclosure is ventilated well, formated it to NTSF and I use it to backup, and transfer files from one machine to the other, its real convenient when you want to transfer a really large file.
If you remember I'd gotten into the mobile DJing and had to build up my music database which is up to somewhere around the 40gb range, I have 2 DJ computers and swap data back and forth.
Since I bought the Seagate external HDD, I also bought some external HDD enclosures for drives I had laying around from previous upgrades that were in excellent condition one is even sporting a SATA drive and both of those are USB2.0 enclosures.
I've been running these external HDDs now for about 2yrs and the brand really doesn't matter if you go for a brand named already together out of the box model, if its for backup purposes you won't leave it running all the time, I just fire mine up do what I need and shut them back down, my music is backed up to 3 external HDDs.
When looking for whatever you decide to use brand name unit, or enclosure for an existing HDD, look for versatility in how it transfers data, some are USB2.0 and Firewire, and some can ESATA if your M/B has that kind of output.
When shopping for external enclosures do they have internal cooling fans, if you're going to leave it on long times that might be a consideration, whats the internal interface, IDE or SATA or both, Both is better. Does if have sufficient cooling vent slots, and by what means does it transfer data to the computer USB2.0 Etc., and also that it has its own independent power supply.
Well thats about all I guess.
Hope all is well with you and your family RC!
Have a great day! Ry
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Jake you may want to consider using Eraser it has varying levels of wipe capability even department of defence wiping capability, single pass encrypted[Fastest], 3pass, 7pass, or even 35pass wipe level capability if you need to go that far in erasing the data but the erased data could never be recovered.
Its a free program you can Google it I've used it myself now for about 5yrs and found it extremely convenient on the external HDDs it treats them the same as the internal HDDs.
Just make sure what you erase you don't ever want back cause a recovery program like PC Inspector, that I've actually recovered data from an accidentally formatted HDD, is useless against it.
I just Googled Eraser and the original creator of the program Tolvanen turned it over to another company which appears is now charging for the newest available program, they do supply links to older versions, I'm using Eraser 5.7 and it works great for WinXP SP2, never had the first problem with that version, If you cannot attain that version free, let me know and you can get the free file from me.
If you're interested. Ry
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Don't kid yourself. Google 'Off-track reading' + 'electron microscope'. If you want it gone drop it into some molten steel.
I trashed some HDDs the other day I'd removed from failed machines and took a sledge hammer to them before I trashed them, those drives are completely unrecoverable I guarantee it!
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Will the program work on external USB connected drives? If yes, I'd love to have that utility. Thanks.
Note: Yeah, when I want a HDD to be discarded, I have this sledge hammer - works well.
Edit: I googled the utility and found the free version available. It's a 2.68MB zip file (too big for a bootable floppy) - will it "write zero's" to an external hard drive without screwing up my internal drive? There was no "read me" thing with it.
yeah no sh|t....
i happen to know of a program that certain people use that can recover data from 7 lowlevel formats....
and as for the sledgehammer method, anything can be recovered with time.
| Quote : I just Googled Eraser and the original creator of the program Tolvanen turned it over to another company which appears is now charging for the newest available program, they do supply links to older versions, I'm using Eraser 5.7 and it works great for WinXP SP2, never had the first problem with that version, If you cannot attain that version free, let me know and you can get the free file from me.
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Will the program work on external USB connected drives? If yes, I'd love to have that utility. Thanks.
Note: Yeah, when I want a HDD to be discarded, I have this sledge hammer - works well.
Jake you install the program on your running machine and when the external HDD is connected to the computer it shows up in My Computer as your internal HDD and other drives do, the program will be accessable after installation in the task bar, and has a feature to erase Unused Disk Space, if you wanted to completely erase an entire HDD just delete everything on the HDD, right click the drive and choose the Erase feature.
With the program having right click access, its really easy to eliminate just 1 or multiple files individually, or wipe an entire HDD, the 35pass takes a really long time, generally I use the single pass or the DOD 3 pass, because after erasing the HDD will be rewritten with new data anyway, 7passDOD, or 35pass is really way overkill in my book, but it wouldn't be if you were detroying some kind of Top Secret Data.
If you need configuration help PM me.
Edit: I googled the utility and found the free version available. It's a 2.68MB zip file (too big for a bootable floppy) - will it "write zero's" to an external hard drive without screwing up my internal drive? There was no "read me" thing with it.
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For someone to go to that kind of recovery expense $$$$$$$ you'd probably have had to of killed someone and kept computer records of the kill, and the HDDS I sledgehammered you'd be still trying to recover 10 yrs from now.
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Eraser writes more than just zeros, and its an excellent program to run on your existing machine if you have a file you want to disappear you right click on it choose Erase and Eraser erases it to whatever extent you wanted it erased, which you select in the erasing features setup, its default set at the 35pass for erasing files, and single pass for freespace, but you can change those settings to whatever extent you want the files erased.
I started using Eraser about 5yrs ago because when you delete a file its designation is changed to the recycle bin, but its still on your computer even when you delete from the recycle bin the file is still on your HDD just cleared to be written over.
Deleting files to the recycle bin is good if you may possibly want to get that file back, but erasing it with Eraser its instantly not recoverable, so make sure the file you're erasing you do not ever want to get back.
Eraser writes over the file you want to get rid of immediately and its gone.
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