Need advise on new graphics card

I currently have a GeForce 4 Ti 4800 SE and am looking to upgrade as it does not run all games these days. (downloaded Battlefield 2 Demo only to find it would not run)

I have started looking and it seems that things are moving away from AGP to PCI Express, but I only have AGP on my motherboard.

What is the best AGP Nvidia card that is out at the moment?

From what i can gather the best i can find in the UK is :
"XFX GeForce 6800 GS Extreme XT Edition 256MB GDDR3 TV-Out/DVI (AGP)"

but there appears to be 6800 GTs that i think are better but i can not find them in the UK

Are GTs better, is there better than a GT?
is the 6800 AGP a new ish card? which might explain why the higher spec has not made it to the UK yet.

Thanks for any help
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  1. The 6800 is actually kind of old, but it is still the second fastest line of nVidia's for gaming, get the one you were looking at, it is a good card.
  2. ok, thanks

    I heard from a friend that he thinks an AGP version of the 7800GT will be coming out this year, anyone know if this is right?

    If this is the case then I guess it would be worth waiting for that?
  3. 6800GS is a very nice card and would be a huge improvement over what you have. I would however make sure that your Mobo is AGP 2.0 compliant. I would also make sure my power supply is powerful enough as well. 6800GT and the 6800gs are very similar in performance. I believe they have a 7800gt in AGP. I would like to know what your system is before recommending it. I would also recommend updating your motherboard to the lastest bios version.
  4. I have the following :

    Gigabyte GA-8INXP : http://www.giga-byte.com/MotherBoard/Products/Products_GA-8INXP.htm
    P4 478 2.4GHz 533FSB
    1GB or Corsair Dual DDR 266
    Power supply is i think a Q-Tec 500w or 550w cant remember which

    I am trying to find somewhere that might sell a P4 478 3.06GHz 533FSB HT which is the fastest CPU that will fit the motherboard, but without success and am beginning to wonder whether the Graphics card upgrade is worth it with out the CPU upgrade also

    thanks
  5. You should be fine with the 6800GS. I would not get anything more expensive than that since your system is getting older. You will still get a hefty performance boost by adding that card. You may not see the full potential of the card with that processor but I can guarentee you that you will see a significant improvement in performance. If you ever find a 3.06gig processor later you will see another bump in performance.
  6. Ok, thanks for your help

    I might get that XFX card after all, maybe it will make my system last another 2 years before i have to make such a big upgrade as last time which got me to my current system
  7. AGP 8x = 3.0 so you're good to go! A Radeon x850XT would be the best you could get in AGP if you can find one for cheap in the UK. In the states they are down to $200 now but it looks like they're still about £300 plus. The 6800GS is a damn good card though and you really can't beat the price/performance of it.

    I know the 7800GT AGP isn't out yet but it would probably be too much for your machine anyways. Ebay would probably be your best bet for proc upgrade?

    http://froogle.google.co.uk/froogle?q=P4+478&btnG=Search+Froogle&hl=en&show=dd&output=html
  8. so the ATI cards are better than the nvidia cards?
    I have never owned an ATI card before and know very little about them

    I found them here --> http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/X800_Series.html
    for a bit less, no idea on the quality of make though

    i dont mind spending up to around £200 for a new card, shall i still go nvidia or would the ATI cards be a better option?
  9. Quote:
    6800GS is a very nice card and would be a huge improvement over what you have. I would however make sure that your Mobo is AGP 2.0 compliant. I would also make sure my power supply is powerful enough as well. 6800GT and the 6800gs are very similar in performance. I believe they have a 7800gt in AGP. I would like to know what your system is before recommending it. I would also recommend updating your motherboard to the lastest bios version.

    There is no 7800 GT for AGP at this time. As far as I know; there is no plan for a 7800 GT AGP. Although it would be a good idea for people who don't want to throw away their motherboards.
  10. you guys!!! There is a new card coming out, or is already out, named the 7800GS, and its for AGP. check out this thread i posted on another site about it, you probably want to wait for this, as it is the best AGP card to date, and doesn't really cost that much!

    http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/54818/
  11. Quote:
    you probably want to wait for this,


    Probably not really. Did you actually look at the benchies?

    Quote:
    as it is the best AGP card to date,


    When it's announced.

    Quote:
    and doesn't really cost that much!


    For what you get it's too much. It cost about the same as the GF7800GT+MoBo deals, and it's nowhere near as fast.

    Only for the die-hards IMO.
  12. Sorry I have looked at so many cards in the last couple of weeks they are all starting to run together. I thought I had read something about an AGP 7800GT but who knows I read so many review before buying a BFG 7800GT last weekend that I don't know what I read or where I read it.
  13. Quote:
    so the ATI cards are better than the nvidia cards?
    I have never owned an ATI card before and know very little about them

    I found them here --> http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/X800_Series.html
    for a bit less, no idea on the quality of make though

    i dont mind spending up to around £200 for a new card, shall i still go nvidia or would the ATI cards be a better option?


    It's definitely not cut and dry, ATI or nVidia. It depends greatly upon how much you want to spend, AGP or PCIe, and to some extent, what games you play. The ATI x850XT is the best performance you can still buy for AGP. The 6800GS is about on par with the 6800GT. I have had both ATI and nVidia cards and have been equally pleased with both in terms of quality. Here is the last info Tom's did for AGP cards:

    http://www.tomshardware.com/2005/07/05/vga_charts_vii/
  14. i think i will wait and see what happens with the 7800 AGP and 6800GS AGP when the 7800 AGP comes out

    i have had my current card for around 3 years so i can wait a couple more months
  15. Good choice dude :)
  16. hey, have just seen that they have 7800GS AGP cards in stock in the UK

    Which one out of all the cards on the following link would you choose?

    http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/6800_Series.html

    Thanks
  17. I would either go with the BFG 7800 or the XFX 7800 Extreme Edition. You can overclock any of them and get the same result but if you don't want ot mess with oc'ing the card I would choose one of those two.

    It's strange I not aware that BFG even makes that card. This is the first I have seen of a 7800GS.
  18. The 7800GS is definitely a decent card, every bit the match of the X850XT plus some other (maybe) useless features like shader 3. I haven't looked yet in regards to the performance difference of the overclocked cards but I know BFG does offer a lifetime warranty. If you're going to spend £200 on a card you can't go wrong with the 7800GS IMHO.
  19. Some more benchies from HKepc

    http://www.hkepc.com/hwdb/gf7800gsagp-3.htm

    So once again, solid card, worth a tiny premium if you didn't already have a GF6800U/GT or X8xx and you absolutely needed only the video card while waiting for an upgrade.

    But overall still seeing it as overprice and overdue.

    Solid if your mom or dad buys one for you and that's all they'll buy for the year. But if it's your own money, there's better choices out there IMO. Remember this is based on N.Am availability and prices (I know other regions can be looney pricing)
  20. Here is the X800XT PE running 3DMark05 and getting 5875 marks...
    http://www.driverheaven.net/articles/3dmark--05/


    The 7800GS is getting 5777 marks...at 1024x768

    But I did pay $479 for my XT-PE at launch nearly two years ago, but it still kicks the newest offerings ass...
  21. No way, it gets higher than that. My 6800GT gets 5,550!!
  22. http://www.hkepc.com/hwdb/gf7800gsagp-3.htm

    That is what these guys recorded...
  23. That site shows that it is virtually as good as my card! That can't be correct...Lets wait and see some better reviews, from more known sites.
  24. Quote:
    Here is the X800XT PE running 3DMark05 and getting 5875 marks...
    http://www.driverheaven.net/articles/3dmark--05/


    The 7800GS is getting 5777 marks...at 1024x768

    But I did pay $479 for my XT-PE at launch nearly two years ago, but it still kicks the newest offerings ass...


    I won't deny that your XT-PE is a great card and probably worth every penny, but note that the card they tested on your link (in your 2nd post) was at NVidia's recommended stock speeds. This card overclocks very nicely from what I've seen in a number of places and the eVGA and BFG versions come overclocked out of the box. So these numbers you listed may not be the best estimation of these cards power.

    Other Sources with Overclocked/OEM Stock benchmarks:
    http://ckturbo128.proboards4.com/index.cgi?board=computerhardware&...ion=dis

    http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/bfg_geforce_7800_gs_agp/page20.asp

    Edit: Now that I look further down on the page you linked, I see they OC'd the 7800 GS to 495/1410, which is not that far away from the eVGA card that's clocked at 460/1350. The 3DMark05 score they list for their OC'd card is 6719 at 1024x768.

    Found card clocking in AnandTech's article: http://anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2686&p=3
  25. i think i will get the BFG 7800GS AGP, but in a month or so.
    BFG seems to be a popular choice.

    thanks all for the advice
  26. ok, i still have not bought a new card, was just looking in to whether my psu is good enough to run the new card (BFG 7800GS).

    I have a Qtec 550w psu, and looking at the spec on the side it says the 12v can go up to 20A peak and 14A max
    This seems a little low going by what i have heard is the required amps on a 12v rail (20A), but there does not seem to be many PSUs out there that will meet that requirement.

    I found this puse, a FSP 600watt :

    Output Voltage Min. load Max. load Load Reg. Ripple & Noise
    +5V 0.5 A 30.0A +-5% 50mV P-P
    +12V1 0.0A 15.0A +-5% 120mV P-P
    +12V2 0.0A 15.0A +-5% 120 mV P-P
    +12V3 0.9A 15.0A +-5% 120mV P-P
    +12V4 0.1A 15.0A +-5% 120mV P-P
    +3.3V 0.8A 36.0A +-5% 50mV P-P
    -12V 0.0A 0.5A +-10% 120mV P-P
    +5Vsb 0.0A 2.0A +-5% 50mV P-P

    which seems like a high spec psu, buteach individual rail does not meet the 20A requirement

    and another, Enermax 600watt :

    DC Output, Rippe&Noise, Tolerance, Current, Min. / Max.

    +3.3V, 50mV, ±5%, 0.5A / 34A
    +5V, 50mV, ±5%, 0.3A / 34A
    +12V 1, 120mV, ±5%, 0.5A / 18A
    +12V 2, 120mV, ±5%, 0.5A / 18A
    -12V, 120mV, ±10%, 0A / 0.8A
    +5Vsb, 50mV, ±5%, 0A / 2.5A
    +3.3V & +5V, 320W

    Total Power 600W

    again each rail not merting the 20A requirement

    would my existing psu run the 7800GS AGP, and if not could anyone point me in the direction of a psu that would run it?

    thanks for your help
  27. Your Qtec is most likely enough. Buy the card and throw it in though. If the PSU can't cut it the game will crash but it's not going to damage any of your hardware.
  28. i have a truepower 380W and it runs the XFX 7800 GS OC extreme just fine. along with 2 hard drives 2 disc drives sound card etc.

    btw my opinion is go for the xfx cause it has 440 MHZ compared to 400MHz of the BFG. look on ebay, it has better prices because the retail price on it has gone up by about $50 since it was released, after people realized how good it is for agp
  29. thanks for the replies guys
    I will do that then , try the new card with my current psu, then if it is nto enough to run it then i will look for a better psu.

    you think go with the XFX? i have no experience with either XFX or BFG, but i was thinking of going BFG due to their warranty.
    do you think there will be any problems short or long term due to the XFX extreme being clocked much higher than standard?

    the XFX is not too much of a price difference to the BFG at the place i get my stuff from :

    XFX GeForce 7800 GS Extreme Edition £234.94
    BFG GeForce 7800 GS OC 256MB £229.07

    http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/7800AGP_Series.html

    thanks again
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