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Anonymous
August 23, 2004 3:56:40 PM

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I have a text file encoded as Windows Cyrillic. But it is always displayed
as Windows Western. On the Font dialog in Notepad, I selected Cyrillic
(with Courier New), both before and after going to the Open File dialog
(with ANSI encoding selected). I tried the same thing using the character
set selector in Wordpad (with Arial).

How do I get Notepad or Wordpad to display Windows Cyrillic text files
correctly?

Thanks,
Emilio
Anonymous
August 23, 2004 5:02:56 PM

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The text file must be saved in Unicode format in order to keep the cyrillic
characters. If it is saved in ANSI format they will be lost.

"Emilio Echeverría" <spam@spam.com> wrote in message
news:%23JjTpITiEHA.1512@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>I have a text file encoded as Windows Cyrillic. But it is always displayed
> as Windows Western. On the Font dialog in Notepad, I selected Cyrillic
> (with Courier New), both before and after going to the Open File dialog
> (with ANSI encoding selected). I tried the same thing using the character
> set selector in Wordpad (with Arial).
>
> How do I get Notepad or Wordpad to display Windows Cyrillic text files
> correctly?
>
> Thanks,
> Emilio
>
>
Anonymous
August 23, 2004 5:02:57 PM

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You are showing your ignorance, Thane, and making a nuisance of yourself.
Now I'm going to have to re-post this question in hopes someone who knows
what they're talking about will answer. Please do not reply to my re-post,
Thane.

Windows Cyrillic is an 8-bit code like ISO-8857-9, one character per byte,
with the Cyrillic characters in the 0x80-0xff range, just as Windows Western
and ISO-8857-1 use that area for letters with accents, umlauts, etc. If you
go to the XP Character Map, it shows these encodings as well as the Unicode
encodings.

"Thane of Lochaber" <NONE> wrote in message
news:e1Rh5LTiEHA.1040@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> The text file must be saved in Unicode format in order to keep the
cyrillic
> characters. If it is saved in ANSI format they will be lost.
>
> "Emilio Echeverría" <spam@spam.com> wrote in message
> news:%23JjTpITiEHA.1512@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> >I have a text file encoded as Windows Cyrillic. But it is always
displayed
> > as Windows Western. On the Font dialog in Notepad, I selected Cyrillic
> > (with Courier New), both before and after going to the Open File dialog
> > (with ANSI encoding selected). I tried the same thing using the
character
> > set selector in Wordpad (with Arial).
> >
> > How do I get Notepad or Wordpad to display Windows Cyrillic text files
> > correctly?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Emilio
> >
> >
>
>
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Anonymous
August 23, 2004 9:17:20 PM

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What I was doing was trying to help you, which I regret doing now. I am
wrong sometimes and if I have wasted your valuable time I'm very sorry.
Don't worry though, this will be the last time I ever reply to any posts
from you. As for you saying you have to re-post this that itself is a good
example of ignorance. Go ahead if you like, perhaps someone else will be
willing to help you despite your hateful attitude. Good luck with your
documents.

"Emilio Echeverría" <spam@spam.com> wrote in message
news:eSufiYTiEHA.1656@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> You are showing your ignorance, Thane, and making a nuisance of yourself.
> Now I'm going to have to re-post this question in hopes someone who knows
> what they're talking about will answer. Please do not reply to my
> re-post,
> Thane.
>
> Windows Cyrillic is an 8-bit code like ISO-8857-9, one character per byte,
> with the Cyrillic characters in the 0x80-0xff range, just as Windows
> Western
> and ISO-8857-1 use that area for letters with accents, umlauts, etc. If
> you
> go to the XP Character Map, it shows these encodings as well as the
> Unicode
> encodings.
>
> "Thane of Lochaber" <NONE> wrote in message
> news:e1Rh5LTiEHA.1040@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>> The text file must be saved in Unicode format in order to keep the
> cyrillic
>> characters. If it is saved in ANSI format they will be lost.
>>
>> "Emilio Echeverría" <spam@spam.com> wrote in message
>> news:%23JjTpITiEHA.1512@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> >I have a text file encoded as Windows Cyrillic. But it is always
> displayed
>> > as Windows Western. On the Font dialog in Notepad, I selected Cyrillic
>> > (with Courier New), both before and after going to the Open File dialog
>> > (with ANSI encoding selected). I tried the same thing using the
> character
>> > set selector in Wordpad (with Arial).
>> >
>> > How do I get Notepad or Wordpad to display Windows Cyrillic text files
>> > correctly?
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Emilio
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
Anonymous
August 29, 2004 8:13:32 PM

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Hello!

"Emilio Echeverría" <spam@spam.com> wrote in message news:<#JjTpITiEHA.1512@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl>...
> I have a text file encoded as Windows Cyrillic. But it is always displayed
> as Windows Western. On the Font dialog in Notepad, I selected Cyrillic
> (with Courier New), both before and after going to the Open File dialog
> (with ANSI encoding selected). I tried the same thing using the character
> set selector in Wordpad (with Arial).
>
> How do I get Notepad or Wordpad to display Windows Cyrillic text files
> correctly?
>

Both are Unicode programs now (unlike Windows 95 times) and
both are _bad_ choice of reading Cyrillic text
(it still can be done, but with some tricks):

No need to change your system settings.

1) The best choice is a NON-Unicode plain text editor - there are
many of them on shareware.com or on tucowes.com
I use http://UltraEdit.com
In such editor, because it's a non-Unicode program you _can_
choose say "Courier New" then choose "Script=Cyrillic" and
work with Cyrillic text files normally

2) Second choice is MS Word ver. 2000 and higher
There you can _explicitely_ specify the encoding of your
text file and thus it will work Ok - please see the instruction
in the "Unicode and Cyrillic" section of my site. But here is
the direct link:
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/PaulGor/cp_e.h...

3) In Notepad, you can do that with a trick - you can use, instead
of standard Unicode fonts of your system such as "Arial" or
"Courier new" another font, old Cyrillic font, non-Unicode one
made for Windows 3.1 - just choose it in Notepad's menu

There are a lot of such fonts, you can download say
"ER Kurier 1251" from my site:
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/PaulGor/fonts_...

If it still does not work (I tried it long ago, so am not sure(
then you need to modify such font first:
see "Method _2_" here:
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/PaulGor/word_r...


--
Regards,
Paul Gorodyansky
"Cyrillic (Russian): instructions for Windows and Internet":
http://RusWin.net
Russian On-screen Keyboard: http://Kbd.RusWin.net
Anonymous
August 29, 2004 8:18:16 PM

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"David Candy" <david@mvps.org> wrote in message news:<uc$gLjViEHA.2400@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl>...
> ...
> The encoding in File Open is unicode setting as programs have to guess
> the encoding for unicode and can guess wrong as unicode has a two byte
> header but someone may have an ANSI file with those two characters
> first so it checks further and can guess wrong.

No, there is no guessing in File/Open in Notepad -
it just assumes, without any guessing, that the non-Unicode text
belong to the system encoding - System Code Page - which is
"Western, 1252" on Western machines. That is, ANSI in the
Notepad menus is really "System Code Page", non-Unicode, legacy
encoding.

It's why - as you correectly pointed - one of the solutions could
be (though, it would be an overhead) to change System Code Page -
in Control Panel/Regional Options/Advanced -
"Language for non-Unicode programs" (it's not really Language
it's Code Page, encoding).

--
Regards,
Paul Gorodyansky
"Cyrillic (Russian): instructions for Windows and Internet":
http://RusWin.net
Russian On-screen Keyboard: http://Kbd.RusWin.net
!