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October 17, 2012 4:35:23 PM
October 17, 2012 4:44:15 PM

He interupted every time Romney looked at him but once, when he claimed on sep 12 he was saying terrorism at that point, where Crowley then went to Obamas aid, and help keep the twist in place, where she later , after the debate, said she was wrong.

The bragging point of Obamas about oil production, all Romney need to have said was, Mr Pres, you didnt build that.
October 17, 2012 5:11:56 PM

Well its good you shouldnt just pull one number out of a series and call it a trend. When we look at the first 3 years in office we see oil production up on gov lands by 12% and 15% and a dip of 14% in 2011. So we are actually up 13% production. Thats good.

But for a better comparison lets look at the previous administration (Which I know you love) Between 04-08 only 1 of 5 years showed an increase in production for a net decrease of 16%.
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October 17, 2012 5:48:19 PM

First, get it thru your head, Bush isnt running, I repeat, he simply isnt running.
Next, dont assume I anything Bush, as he was all over the place IMO, as to being a good pres.
Finally, since he made his decision, we see the decline going forwards as this is his policy, not the previous Bush ordered and basically unchanged ways.
So, Romney is right, going forwards, this is a trend, as the policy has been changed, and shows decline, with no new actions to change it.
If Obama hadnt claimed what he has changed, it is still his policy, and that is a decline of leasing on effected lands/waters.
Its bad policy in todays economy, which is the point, again making Romney right, and certainly nothing to brag about, since Obamas policy, effecting what he can really effect is declini9ng, while he takes credit from the private sector, which makes my statement correct, he didnt build that, and shouldnt be going backwards while claiming hes moving forwards
October 17, 2012 5:59:25 PM

JAYDEEJOHN said:
First, get it thru your head, Bush isnt running, I repeat, he simply isnt running.

This is simply a way of gauging ability. See how hard it is to listen to conservative rhetoric about Obama being the worst president ever. Then when we compare him to the last president you get all defensive and remind people Bush isn't running. But as a former president his record is fair game, and when we compare Obama to Bush, Obama wins hands down. Besides could you imagine replacing an employee and when you compare how well the new employee is doing vs the old they freak out and yell BUT HE DOESN'T WORK HERE ANYMORE! HOW CAN YOU COMPARE US!

Next, dont assume I anything Bush, as he was all over the place IMO, as to being a good pres.
Finally, since he made his decision, we see the decline going forwards as this is his policy, not the previous Bush ordered and basically unchanged ways.
So, Romney is right, going forwards, this is a trend, as the policy has been changed, and shows decline, with no new actions to change it.

You cant get a trend from one year, any analyst will tell you that. Because when we look at all the numbers it appears as though the Trend is it is in fact going up.

If Obama hadnt claimed what he has changed, it is still his policy, and that is a decline of leasing on effected lands/waters.
Its bad policy in todays economy, which is the point, again making Romney right, and certainly nothing to brag about, since Obamas policy, effecting what he can really effect is declini9ng, while he takes credit from the private sector, which makes my statement correct, he didnt build that, and shouldnt be going backwards while claiming hes moving forwards

Really oil is just a political side show. Unless Romney is going out there and personally drilling for oil (Note to Mitt: after election drill oil...).

October 17, 2012 6:00:16 PM

JAYDEEJOHN said:
He interupted every time Romney looked at him but once, when he claimed on sep 12 he was saying terrorism at that point, where Crowley then went to Obamas aid, and help keep the twist in place, where she later , after the debate, said she was wrong.

The bragging point of Obamas about oil production, all Romney need to have said was, Mr Pres, you didnt build that.



His croney side-kick Biden did the same thing. Mock, laugh and interrupt as if these are trivial matters. Maybe Romney/Ryan aren't the best candidates that the American people can come up with but they'll be better than the dumb and dumber duo of Obama/Biden! I'm sure other countries just think they're a joke... esp. Biden.

Romney/Ryan have an air of class that Obama/Biden seem to be vacant of. A disturbing trend of liberals - they claim equality, fairness, etc yet are the most bigoted, ignorant, pretentious and hateful people on the face of the planet and seem to think their way is the only way instead of reaching across the aisle for different perspectives to try and come up with answers.
October 17, 2012 6:02:24 PM

I couldn't stand to watch it.

Obama = Impetuous man-child
October 17, 2012 6:05:20 PM

Obama cut in half the nearly 21,000 permits to explore public land that Bush issued mingo.

What do you think that will do to the "trend" year over year?

October 17, 2012 6:11:11 PM

Oldmangamer_73 said:
Obama cut in half the nearly 21,000 permits to explore public land that Bush issued mingo.

What do you think that will do to the "trend" year over year?


i dont know lets reelect him and find out. :p 
October 17, 2012 6:25:58 PM

Oldmangamer_73 said:
I couldn't stand to watch it.

Obama = Impetuous man-child


It was pretty bad... I'm bipartisan and am registered as such. But seeing Obama/Biden's frivolous attitudes is embarrassing being they are the face of the American people.

As we see the egress of Bush from office we think to ourselves that we will not see another administration as bad, yet, here comes Obama and what does he do? Makes it worse! Rhetoric is one thing and actions another... proof is in the pudding and the record shows the truth.

October 17, 2012 6:48:35 PM

Oldmangamer_73 said:
Obama cut in half the nearly 21,000 permits to explore public land that Bush issued mingo.

What do you think that will do to the "trend" year over year?


Cutting permits that aren't being used doesn't mean anything.
October 17, 2012 7:21:30 PM

How do they know when theyll be used?
A permit is made for usage when that entity chooses to use it.
Its obviously had an effect, as well as no pipe line, nothing in coastal Virginia etc etc.
No coal, another green energy company going bankrupt.
And no ones touching the most important thing a president does, foreign relations/policy, and its a shame Hillary had to wear the pants, as we were confused for over 2 weeks, officially, about Libya.
Its fail fail fail.
Libya, theres simply no excuses for, they knew, they deferred, and we sat waiting to finally hear the truth, as we already heard it thu Al Jazeera, Fox, The Libyan leaders etc etc, and hes slowly trying to make it go away, truly a shame for our foreign relations, and those who serve our interests there, and their losses.
Like Obama said, go ahead governor, as he wouldnt still go there, just sybolism and deflection as to whos responsible, not who did it, but why we simply didnt know, and theres no room for this, at all

Just as Hillary came to save him, so too did he look for Crowley to save him as well, as he uttered, go ahead Candy, and her comments were later walked back by her, after the damage was done for those that dont watch Fox, or simply dont have a clue.
Little man hiding behind women?
October 17, 2012 7:41:22 PM

johnsonma said:
Cutting permits that aren't being used doesn't mean anything.



The permits were for exploration johnson, not production. You can't have production unless you explore first which takes years.
October 17, 2012 7:52:01 PM

the why is there no correlation with domestic production and gas price? Could it be because the world oil economy is more of a driving factor?

Besides would you force oil companies to sell lower to American markets?

October 17, 2012 9:16:18 PM

Oldmangamer_73 said:
The permits were for exploration johnson, not production. You can't have production unless you explore first which takes years.



Good point!

Quote:
Little man hiding behind women?


That he does...
October 17, 2012 9:25:06 PM

JAYDEEJOHN said:
How do they know when theyll be used?
A permit is made for usage when that entity chooses to use it.
Its obviously had an effect, as well as no pipe line, nothing in coastal Virginia etc etc.
No coal, another green energy company going bankrupt.
And no ones touching the most important thing a president does, foreign relations/policy, and its a shame Hillary had to wear the pants, as we were confused for over 2 weeks, officially, about Libya.
Its fail fail fail.
Libya, theres simply no excuses for, they knew, they deferred, and we sat waiting to finally hear the truth, as we already heard it thu Al Jazeera, Fox, The Libyan leaders etc etc, and hes slowly trying to make it go away, truly a shame for our foreign relations, and those who serve our interests there, and their losses.
Like Obama said, go ahead governor, as he wouldnt still go there, just sybolism and deflection as to whos responsible, not who did it, but why we simply didnt know, and theres no room for this, at all

Just as Hillary came to save him, so too did he look for Crowley to save him as well, as he uttered, go ahead Candy, and her comments were later walked back by her, after the damage was done for those that dont watch Fox, or simply dont have a clue.
Little man hiding behind women?


The last debate will be about foreign policy. If Romney wants to get a shot in there it would be a good time to do so. He did get his *** handed to him when he approached the subject of Libya in this debate so I bet he will be a little more guarded in the next debate. Romney also took a beating on that question about women's rights, was pretty funny to watch. :D 
October 17, 2012 9:40:36 PM

Oldmangamer_73 said:
The permits were for exploration johnson, not production. You can't have production unless you explore first which takes years.


Well lets see, the number of producing acres on federal lands is higher now then it ever as under bush except in 2005. The number of producing leases on federal land is higher now then it was under all of bush except in 2005 and 2006. The number of producible and service well bores on federal lands is higher now than it has ever been. Also the number of producible and service completions on federal lands is higher now than it has ever been. Its amazing how diluted some things can get in politics. Its obvious that repubs are cherry picking numbers to get the desired effect. A quick check with the BLM for the data regarding their claims proves this point sufficiently.
October 17, 2012 9:44:40 PM

johnsonma said:
Well lets see, the number of producing acres on federal lands is higher now then it ever as under bush except in 2005. The number of producing leases on federal land is higher now then it was under all of bush except in 2005 and 2006. The number of producible and service well bores on federal lands is higher now than it has ever been. Also the number of producible and service completions on federal lands is higher now than it has ever been. Its amazing how diluted some things can get in politics. Its obvious that repubs are cherry picking numbers to get the desired effect. A quick check with the BLM for the data regarding their claims proves this point sufficiently.



B.S.

Stop reading HuffPo
October 17, 2012 10:03:43 PM

RussK1 said:
It was pretty bad... I'm bipartisan and am registered as such. But seeing Obama/Biden's frivolous attitudes is embarrassing being they are the face of the American people.


They are only the face of the entitlement-using or the severely mentally ill people in America. I would hope the world doesn't carry that opinion for the rest of the country with normal people.

After all, other than having a severe mental illness, I cannot have any other explanation for voting for Obama in 2012. I can perhaps forgive voting for him in 2008, but not in 2012. However by all means, if anybody can prove me wrong and have a legitimate reason than I'm just breathless here trying to hear it.
October 17, 2012 10:04:28 PM

Oldmangamer_73 said:
B.S.

Stop reading HuffPo


LOL, got the information from an excel spreadsheet I downloaded from the BLM. You crack me up OMG.
October 18, 2012 1:18:25 AM

Obama/gas price
Starting Day 1/$1.80
Today/4.00
Why?
Obama: because our economy was going into recession
Unemployment rate then/7.8%
Unemployment rate now/7.8% not counting theres more people here now than then
Weak answers
In policy denial
Attacked the coal industry with regulations and attitudes


The few things he really can directly effect, hes failing at.
Whether its policies or ineptness.

October 18, 2012 2:16:19 AM

JAYDEEJOHN said:
He interupted every time Romney looked at him but once, when he claimed on sep 12 he was saying terrorism at that point, where Crowley then went to Obamas aid, and help keep the twist in place, where she later , after the debate, said she was wrong.

The bragging point of Obamas about oil production, all Romney need to have said was, Mr Pres, you didnt build that.
Simple who do want a president or a boss? Think about it carefully.
October 18, 2012 2:17:27 AM

RussK1 said:
His croney side-kick Biden did the same thing. Mock, laugh and interrupt as if these are trivial matters. Maybe Romney/Ryan aren't the best candidates that the American people can come up with but they'll be better than the dumb and dumber duo of Obama/Biden! I'm sure other countries just think they're a joke... esp. Biden.

Romney/Ryan have an air of class that Obama/Biden seem to be vacant of. A disturbing trend of liberals - they claim equality, fairness, etc yet are the most bigoted, ignorant, pretentious and hateful people on the face of the planet and seem to think their way is the only way instead of reaching across the aisle for different perspectives to try and come up with answers.
Romney and Ryan have one thing in common they are both LIARS!
October 18, 2012 12:14:22 PM

I think my point got bull dozed but maybe one of you can answer.

Why is there no relation between domestic production and oil price?

What would keep an oil company from selling oil into the world market, isnt that what free enterprise does? Sell to the highest buyer?
October 18, 2012 12:37:38 PM

wanamingo said:
I think my point got bull dozed but maybe one of you can answer.

Why is there no relation between domestic production and oil price?

What would keep an oil company from selling oil into the world market, isnt that what free enterprise does? Sell to the highest buyer?



It does. The idea that it does not is a lame stream media narrative. It is also heavily determined by futures and speculation.

The price of gasoline is different. This is based on the per barrel pricce plus availability and refining capacity. See California. The fact is, oil companies just done't make a lot of dough on refineries and gasoline. Huge expense and huge overhead for pennies on the dollar return.

More refineries would help the gasoline price but the government has made it so cost prohibitive to build a new refinery the companies are taking a pass on it.
October 18, 2012 12:47:39 PM

So is the problem here according to you there arent enough refineries or there isnt enough oil to refine"?
October 18, 2012 12:52:16 PM

wanamingo said:
So is the problem here according to you there arent enough refineries or there isnt enough oil to refine"?


You know I think the real problem is speculation and the petrodollar. As long as the value of dollar is tied to oil and not something else tangible, then speculation will never go away. Sort of why drugs are still illegal. More people are making money off of it being illegal than if it were legal. Make sense?

There is plenty of oil really. But, as you can see in California, because of an accident and scheduled maintenance on 2 of 3 refineries, they are now stuck with almost $6.00/gal. gas. More refineries would have helped in this particular case.
October 18, 2012 12:55:35 PM

musical marv said:
Romney and Ryan have one thing in common they are both LIARS!



I don't think there's a politician on this planet that holds a monopoly on virtue. Obama has proven to be a big one... promised all kinds of things and did the opposite.

Hell Clinton was a big one as well. He openly lied lied to the American people about his sexual relationship with an intern and that was a personal matter (and trivial) yet, he was a good president.

Obama is a Marxist yet people fail to realize this, which wants a Super "omnipotent" Government when this country is designed to "LIMIT" government and leave matters to the sovereign states with limited government oversight.

Power in the hands of the few = tyranny. Obama's administration has completely been about subjugation and division of the people which results in weaker a populace and ire for one another.
October 18, 2012 1:30:53 PM

But these aren't American oil companies (Unless you want the US gov drilling for oil), they are large multinational companies. Wouldn't any oil that they produce go into the world oil markets?

Not to mention every state taxes oil differently, Alaska has the least tax on oil and NY has the highest. Shall we force states to lower their oil taxes?
October 18, 2012 4:34:31 PM

The second debate was nothing exciting. It was basically a repeat of the first debate but with an obviously bias moderator and in the Town Hall format. Neither candidate provided much more beyond their existing talking points.

The only reason the punditry can say Obama won was because he performed 100 times better than in the first debate.

If anything, the second debate only showed that Obama is a Big Government Democrat and Romney is attempting to be a Reagan Republican.

RT News had an interesting angle on the second debate, "Two sides of same coin? US presidential debate underwhelms."

Also from RT news and something the main stream media very much wants the American people to NOT know about is, "Police arrest US presidential candidate Jill Stein at debate site."

First Gary Johnson, who is on the Presidential ballot in 48 States as well as Washington D.C., was blocked from attending the debates (a gross injustice) and now the Green Party candidates are escorted off Hofstra property.

The representative republic is dead and it died in the halls of Congress.
October 18, 2012 10:09:58 PM

RussK1 said:

Hell Clinton was a big one as well. He openly lied lied to the American people about his sexual relationship with an intern and that was a personal matter (and trivial) yet, he was a good president.


Wait a second...did you just say Clinton was a good president. Bill Clinton right?
He ignored a huge aspect of national security by ignoring various attacks. He is also one of the largest reasons the economic recession under George Bush's watch. He was the one who attacked banks to provide sub-prime mortgages under low interest. He made tons of provisions to the 1977 CRA-Act. The economy was good under his watch, but not due to any of his policies. He rode the wonderful economic wave created by the government before he took office and enjoyed the fame. Clinton was a VERY bad president...probably not the in same league as BO, but somewhere in that area on the bottom.
October 19, 2012 3:05:30 AM

Oldmangamer_73 said:
I couldn't stand to watch it.

Obama = Impetuous man-child
What the hell was Romney a BOSS trying to control the whole debate. Let him stick to being an executive type and not a PRESIDENT!
October 19, 2012 5:45:44 AM

Candy Crowley wasnt the boss/moderator, she was an Obama cheerleader, someone needed to lead, so good for Romney
October 19, 2012 12:40:09 PM

musical marv said:
What the hell was Romney a BOSS trying to control the whole debate. Let him stick to being an executive type and not a PRESIDENT!


Yes I want an executive, a leader, a decision maker. Not the mealy mouthed, spineless, whiny man-child who blames his foreign policy failure on a woman who currently occupies the head decision maker's office.

October 19, 2012 12:47:37 PM

It sounds to me like whining when conservatives blame the moderator. Grow a pair, and let the possible future leader of the free world show that he knows how to handle himself.

Boo hoo Obama had 3 extra minutes. Boo Hoo the moderator pointed out one of Romney lies. Go cry me a river.
October 19, 2012 1:06:07 PM

wanamingo said:
It sounds to me like whining when conservatives blame the moderator. Grow a pair, and let the possible future leader of the free world show that he knows how to handle himself.

Boo hoo Obama had 3 extra minutes. Boo Hoo the moderator pointed out one of Romney lies. Go cry me a river.



Would you be saying the same if the situation were reversed?

October 19, 2012 1:12:09 PM

Oldmangamer_73 said:
Would you be saying the same if the situation were reversed?


I certainly wouldnt be a part of Fox News's pity party.
October 19, 2012 1:22:19 PM

Oldmangamer_73 said:
Yes I want an executive, a leader, a decision maker. Not the mealy mouthed, spineless, whiny man-child who blames his foreign policy failure on a woman who currently occupies the head decision maker's office.


I've never seen anyone more spineless than Romney. His platform is like ferris wheel when its comes to his stances on issues. Thats just during this election too, if you widen the spectrum back to when he was governor he doesn't look remotely the same. Not to mention he was a far more moderate candidate during the presidential debates than he was during the republican primaries. If he does get elected I wonder which version will be the president?
October 19, 2012 1:27:37 PM

Gary Johnson anyone?
October 19, 2012 1:32:16 PM

http://mittromneyflipflops.com/ - Lots of funny in here. Now if you arent a Romney shill then some of these flip slops must affect you.

http://mediamatters.org/research/2012/10/11/fox-news-di... - And here is a nice example of Fox news giving Romney the reach around on his abortion flop.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/17/romney-binders... - The actual lie he told about binders full of women. Lies.



I dont know how you guys can be so fervently for Mitt Romney. The guy doesnt even know what his first name is. He doesnt even know what his policy is, his campaign slogan should have been "Ill support whatever gets you to vote for me!"
October 19, 2012 1:35:54 PM

ctbaars said:
Gary Johnson anyone?


And Jill Stein. I think it might be a while before a viable third party comes into being. Some people wanted the tea party to fill that 3rd party void but the republicans have absorbed a weird mix of tea baggers and libertarians that made them less effective in the long run.

I picture the republican party splitting after this election, the common sense conservatives could have a really good platform to run on, one that I would vote for under certain conditions. The other half of the republicans will continue their crap spewing just to get enough votes to f*ck up the political stage.

October 19, 2012 1:41:23 PM

wanamingo said:
I certainly wouldnt be a part of Fox News's pity party.



So that's a no then. I figured so you hypocrite of a shill. At least you are consistently shill-tastic.

October 19, 2012 1:42:56 PM

wanamingo said:
http://mittromneyflipflops.com/ - Lots of funny in here. Now if you arent a Romney shill then some of these flip slops must affect you.

http://mediamatters.org/research/2012/10/11/fox-news-di... - And here is a nice example of Fox news giving Romney the reach around on his abortion flop.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/17/romney-binders... - The actual lie he told about binders full of women. Lies.



I dont know how you guys can be so fervently for Mitt Romney. The guy doesnt even know what his first name is. He doesnt even know what his policy is, his campaign slogan should have been "Ill support whatever gets you to vote for me!"



I'm not dude. I keep telling you. You're the shill because no matter what Obama does you forgive/support him. That's a shill.

I'm only voting for Romney becuase he is not Obama. And I only want one term out of Romney too.
October 19, 2012 2:14:10 PM

Oldmangamer_73 said:
So that's a no then. I figured so you hypocrite of a shill. At least you are consistently shill-tastic.


Time for a new word of the week.
October 19, 2012 2:35:58 PM

johnsonma said:
Time for a new word of the week.



How about "Obama butt-muncher"?
October 19, 2012 2:44:26 PM

Oldmangamer_73 said:
How about "Obama butt-muncher"?


Thats more of a phrase....but we can go with phrase of the week instead.
October 19, 2012 3:06:22 PM

This is like some messed up Pee Wee's playhouse secret word stuff.
October 19, 2012 3:38:57 PM

musical marv said:
What the hell was Romney a BOSS trying to control the whole debate. Let him stick to being an executive type and not a PRESIDENT!
Hahaha!

Marv, you are aware (I hope) that the Branch of our government the President is the head of is called the Executive Branch, right?

So, if you want Romney to be an executive type and the President heads the Executive Branch, then it seems to me that you actually want Romney to be President!


October 19, 2012 4:10:12 PM

ctbaars said:
Gary Johnson anyone?
wanamingo said:
And Jill Stein.
Jill Stein is on the Presidential ballot in 38 States as well as Washington DC. Gary Johnson is on the ballot in 48 States as well as Washington DC. That certainly seems to be large enough support for both candidates to warrant being part of the Presidential debates. Instead, Gary Johnson is blacklisted and Jill Stein is arrested.

The Debate Commission requires the candidate get at least 15% on 5 national polls. The kick in the ass is that Stein and Johnson will never score that high on national polls if the main stream media does not provide them with an outlet.

wanamingo said:
Some people wanted the tea party to fill that 3rd party void but the republicans have absorbed a weird mix of tea baggers and libertarians that made them less effective in the long run.
I think that history will show the Tea party was the movement that re-awakened the electorate's interest in America's Constitutional roots. If anything, the Tea Party's influence is what has halted larger federal deficits, increased federal spending, greater growth in government, and has called for a more pragmatic approach to solving America's spending and unemployment issues. Sad truth is tho, generations of Americans have been raised with the belief that the federal government's primary job is to provide the individual with a lifestyle. It is because of that liberal indoctrination that the tea Party is viewed as being bad for this country.

wanamingo said:
I picture the republican party splitting after this election, the common sense conservatives could have a really good platform to run on, one that I would vote for under certain conditions. The other half of the republicans will continue their crap spewing just to get enough votes to f*ck up the political stage.
Doubt that the Republicans will split anymore than the Democrats will split as a result of Obama losing. As a result of the Tea Party influence within the Republican Party, the RINO's are being voted out and pressure is mounting on our elected officials to move towards smaller government and less federal spending; two items that have been in the republicans platform for many years.
October 19, 2012 4:21:33 PM

You are giving the tea party wayyyyy too much credit. I can understand that you want smaller government and less spending but the other issues are the ones that are holding the tea party back. Its people like michelle bachmann and sarah palin that have painted the tea party in a negative light, not liberal indoctrination.
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