3500+7800 or 4000+6800?

[macross]

Building a PC for normal gaming and general use

Should I go with a Athlon 64 3500+ (any type) and a Geforce 7800GT

OR

Athlon 64 4000+ San Diego and a Geforce 6800GS

?

 

[lordroddington]

i doubt there is that much difference between an athlon64 3500 and an athlon64 4000, so if the cost is similar, go for the 1st option

 

[PCcashCow]

i doubt there is that much difference between an athlon64 3500 and an athlon64 4000, so if the cost is similar, go for the 1st option

Your must be joking right? Use facts not 'doubt' please.

If you have a budget, go for your first option with the winchester series.

 

[macross]

I was going to buy form newegg. However they only sell 3500+ as

Clawhammer
ADA3500ASBOX

Venice
ADA3500CGBOX

and

Venice
ADA3500BPBOX

 

[PCcashCow]

Try out the venice 3500 if money is tight( lower voltage too), if not then take a pick from a 64 x2.

 

[macross]

Which one? :?

 

[PCcashCow]

Model #: ADA3500BPBOX
Item #: N82E16819103533

If thats what you mean.

 

[lordroddington]

that was a figure of speech, the average user really wouldn't notice the difference between a 4000 and a 3500. in games it's the difference of a few frames, and in office applications and general use you wouldn't notice the difference at all.
the difference between a 7800gt and a 6800gs on the other hand is quite large. ergo, choose option a.

Your must be joking right? Use facts not 'doubt' please.

if you disagree with my facts, post benchmarks to prove me wrong.

 

[macross]

Thanks, yes it was. Was confused as to wether the versionw ith the variable voltage was better in any way.. didn't think it would make much of a difference.

 

[matthead]

just be greedy and go with a 4000+ San Diego and a 7800 GTX. lol blow that budget out of the water. Does the card have to be a 7800gtx or 6800 gs. Look into the evga 7800 series they offer an awesome upgrade plan and a great lifetime warranty. I personally went with the 4000+ SD core and eVGA 7800 GTX KO and then approx. $900.00 later.....

 

[spontayo]

Go for the 3500 venice. The winchester was not terrible but compared to the venice it is.

 

[dvdpiddy]

7800 gt all the way oh if i were you i would wait atleast ta few months for the 7900 gtx or whatever it's called then the price should drop from 300 to 250 i hope!

 

[Vile]

Ffs, he's asking a simple question. I dont know why you guys suggest X2 or Winchester vs Venice answers.

I'd go for the first option too, 3500+ with a 7800GT (If you're gaming)
CPUs are not bottlenecks most of the time, and a 3500+ is a very decent processor.

Good luck!

 

[mdd1963]

"Should I go with a Athlon 64 3500+ (any type) and a Geforce 7800GT"

True genius combination for the money!

(See sig!)

 

[mdd1963]

"Your must be joking right? Use facts not 'doubt' please.
"

Indeed, there is little framerate difference between a 2.2G/512k and a 2.4/1M rig in gpu limited gaming...

 

[parlee]

simple answer, get the 3500 and 7800gt, MUCH better perforamnce than a 4000 and 6800gs, most games are more based on video cards and the 7800gt pwns any 6800 series, the 3500 is clocked at 2.2ghz i believe with 512 mhz cache, the 4000 is clocked at 2.4 with 1mb cache, people say the extra 512 cache = about 200mhz, so if u want speed of a 4000, overclock ur 3200 400mhz and itll be on par with a 4000 in other benchmarks besides games, most games now theres little difference from a 3200 and a 4000. so GO WITH THE 3500 and 7800GT and ignore every1 else in this they are idiots, they tell u to wait? when the next gen card comes out then u will want to wait for the next ati card for the prices to drop lower and ull enver upgrade, buy now a 7800gt will last at least a year. get the venice core, there supposed to be better for overclocking, stay away from clawhammer they have a higher voltage, run hotter, and dont overclock at well..

 

[bluesquid]

I just built using the 4000+ san diego. I bought it because based on the Toms cpu charts its a beast for games. go and look for yourself. pop in yor current cpu and the 4000, and compare gaming benchmarks

 

[chuckshissle]

I would go for the 3500 with 7800

 

[the_guru]

I just built using the 4000+ san diego. I bought it because based on the Toms cpu charts its a beast for games. go and look for yourself. pop in yor current cpu and the 4000, and compare gaming benchmarks

The only good gaming benchmark here at tom's hardware is this one:
http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu.html?modelx=33&model1=238&model2=212&chart=70
and it clearly shows that there is little or no difference betweens CPUs when it comes to gaming.

I mailed several complaints against the old tests since the do not show the truth and now it seems like they listened.

There are some CPU limited games out there like BF2, Serious Sam and Half-Life 2 but those games have pretty low system requirements compared to F.E.A.R and other games. A AMD 64 3500+ is more than enough.

 

[mdd1963]

"pop in yor current cpu and the 4000, and compare gaming benchmarks"

Lets instead compare a 3500+ at $220 to an FX57 in FEAR when both are equipped with 7800GTX cards at high res (above 1024x768/4xAA/16xAF)...


The FX57 does indeed win...by about 1 frame per second. Well worth the addtional $700!

 

[mdd1963]

"pop in yor current cpu and the 4000, and compare gaming benchmarks"

The 4000+ is indeed a fine cpu, no one is knocking it....and with teh recent price drops, it is a fine choice.

And I am sure at 800x600, it will have a lead over lesser clocked cpus in gaming, and in benchmarks of 800x600 and 1024x768....

But crank the res up to 1280x1024, as most do, and the balance of power is now entirely shifted to the gpu.

Moral of the story: in gaming at high res, have 'enough' processor, and more than enough gpu!

Which will outperform the other in FEAR at 1280x1024? An FX57 or FX60 with a 7800GT, or a 3200+ with an X1900XT?

 

[bluesquid]

I love people throwing out things like "I have built gaming pc's for 15 years" and all these other assertions and "facts".

compare the cpu's yourself. use the very website we are on to answer all your questions.

who are you gonna trust. me, who says "you can learn everything from objective facts"?

or "I know what I know for these reasons. toms hardware guide is wrong. I am right. I know because I build PCs."

comeon already. I trust the fine folks that put toms together. not these "master PC know it alls

 

[the_guru]

I love people throwing out things like "I have built gaming pc's for 15 years" and all these other assertions and "facts".

compare the cpu's yourself. use the very website we are on to answer all your questions.

who are you gonna trust. me, who says "you can learn everything from objective facts"?

or "I know what I know for these reasons. toms hardware guide is wrong. I am right. I know because I build PCs."

comeon already. I trust the fine folks that put toms together. not these "master PC know it alls

You don't have a clue, do you?

How come Tom's hardware added these better gaming benchmarks after I complained a couple of times.

It's a well known FACT that at higher graphical detail the games are GPU limited and then the CPU isn't that important.

What does this benchmark tell you:
http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu.html?modelx=33&model1=246&model2=240&chart=70

That the 3500+ is faster than the 4000+. And what did you just say? I trust the fine folks that put toms together
Hmm.... I wonder what he should pick.

 

[bluesquid]

LMAO , all because of you? please

I can name myself the terminator, but am I half robot?

your name doesnt mean shit to me. I believe what is reputable and published by people that make the website, not a dweeb with a login in the forumz.

besides. i thought it was a given that we wernt talking one or the other at this point. Im saying "buy a 4000, its better."

as far as cpu limited games go? yes, buy what you can afford. buy a great vid card and cpu. but a year from now i think most mobo's would be slightly more accepting of a new vid card, versus a psu.

also the 6800 is enough for almost every game. buy that, and a 4000. and then when a game comes out that you need,and isnt playable on your vid card. sell your video card and buy another card to play it.

Im sorry i didnt say it clearly. get the cpu first, video card after. the video card is only used during games. if you do anything else, buy the better cpu.

 

[the_guru]

LMAO , all because of you? please

I can name myself the terminator, but am I half robot?

your name doesnt mean shit to me. I believe what is reputable and published by people that make the website, not a dweeb with a login in the forumz.

besides. i thought it was a given that we wernt talking one or the other at this point. Im saying "buy a 4000, its better."

as far as cpu limited games go? yes, buy what you can afford. buy a great vid card and cpu. but a year from now i think most mobo's would be slightly more accepting of a new vid card, versus a psu.

also the 6800 is enough for almost every game. buy that, and a 4000. and then when a game comes out that you need,and isnt playable on your vid card. sell your video card and buy another card to play it.

Im sorry i didnt say it clearly. get the cpu first, video card after. the video card is only used during games. if you do anything else, buy the better cpu.

Did you even look at the benchmark? It's a benchmark made by Tom's hardware.

The thing is that general usage is not very CPU demanding so you won't see any difference between a 4000+ and a 3500+. The guy who started the thread said "normal gaming and general usage" and he posted two configurations. So it's obvious that the 3500+ and 7800GT is the right thing to pick. And still if he was going to do some CPU-demanding things he could easily change some settings in BIOS and his 3500+ would beat the 4000+. My 3000+ beats a 4000+.