I can see it now, hundreds of people putting this GF7800GS on their P4 1.8ghz rig expecting to get wonderful performance now in Quake4. :roll:
Uh, hundreds? How bout the million or so IC7 owners? And that's just a single motherboard from a single manufacturer.
And I was being pretty specific now perhaps I shoulda said S423 P41.8 to be even more anal retentive for you luddites! There's millions of MAC owners out there, it still doesn't make them gamers or worthy of wasting R&D monies on.
Many of us have spent a LOT of time and 1000's of $ building Socket478/P4 systems that blow the doors off Prescott/PCI-E boxes,
And come nowhere near the performance of the same part on a cheap AMD on a cheap ULi MoBo. Give it a rest about the $1000+, it's the MoBo and the CPU that are holding you back, especially if you're using DDR instead of RDRAM! :roll:
That $100 premium for this card, is a waste of money for a Crippled piece of crap simply so you can have an AGP card. It's like the loser n00bs who buy and FX5200SE with 256MB Ram to replace their GF4ti because it's got DX9 (and 8.1) and more ram. Seriously, better options exist.
Are we (non-SLI'ers) supposed to gut our systems just to go from AGP8X to PCI-E 16X, with no discernable benefits?
No decernable benifits is the speak of the luddite who won't quite his prefered rig. Biggest discernable benifit, consolidation of production lines.
The simple fact is, Nvidia has recognized most of the world -- including most gaming and hardware enthusiasts -- are still on AGP systems.
No gaming and hardware enthusiasts are on PCIe or want to move at their first upgrade opportunity, those who pretend to be enthusiast want to hold on to their past and put a turbo on their yugo.
These 7800GS benchmarks are proving there's a lot of life left in the "old" technology.
No compared to the CHEAPER GF7800GTX and even Cheaper GT, it shows that those old systems and the interface / HSI restrictions hamstring a good card into something that barely outperforms last generations card, and even then sometimes loses. If the card were cheaper I'd say it's worth a last hoora for anyone waiting for the R600/G80, otherwise it's an exercise that simply proves my point, AGP is now only for workstations and casual users. the only people I respect who have AGP are those looking to upgrade when it makes sense, and at this price, this card is the wrong upgrade path by a long shot as it's a dead end.
E.g. in some cases, minimum FPS at 1600x1200 with all eye candy is bettered by 50% with the new card.
No it didn't the comparison was ATi versus nV, compare some nV benchies and see if those min FPS weren't already in that corner. And it still begs the question of what the difference in processor & mobo would make.
Why begrudge these people a decent upgrade?
Because, first it's NOT a decent upgrade, this is the "64/128bit-SE version" of upgrades (until Wusy proves otherwise that it would be a "256-bitSE" with modable potential), and second it's focus that would better be spent on getting me the G80/R600, heck even the X1700 and nV equivalent. Agp is dead, and there are card there to satisfy that segment, as the X850 showed it's still quite capable of keeping up with this 'new' card.
It should also be noted ATI's financials have been in the shitter ever since they announced abandonment of AGP. Coincidence? Maybe.
It should be noted you don't know WTF you're talking about, think you're an enthusiast, and support AGP. Coincidence? Maybe
Since their financials dropped around the time they launched the X700AGP and continued through the X850AGP series, and still did not have a massive turn around with the X1300/1600 AGP, I would say it was their dedication to wasting momney on AGP that cost them, instead of having one production line. So thank you for illustrating my point with your mistake/ignorance. And if anyone abandoned AGP it's nV since this is their first card to come out in all that time, and even then it was their OEM Partner's pushing for this solution, not nV, since they had nothing to compete against ATi's X8 series which is equally dead-ended Seriously keep your Fanboi junk out of this because it's not ATi versus nV, but AGP vs PCIe or more appropriately Luddite versus enthusiast.
You can put a Turbo on your Yugo, but personally I'd prefer something that makes sense for the money I'm spending and gives me best price/performance.
Next thing someone's gonna crack out a "Why won't F.E.A.R. play on my 286?" thread!
You're holding back progress you luddites. Go smash the PPU machinery not the wheels of VPU progress.
Die AGP Die , Die n00b Die!
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