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FIRST LOOK OF AM2 MOTHERBOARD

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February 2, 2006 10:56:57 PM

Ladies and gentlemen, here it is in its full glory. :D 

Looks like we will have a new and improved heat sink.

Thanks to MSI for such a beauty.

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February 2, 2006 11:04:45 PM

yes, polished was the word i was searching for. Looks...good and polished? How does it perform?
February 2, 2006 11:13:39 PM

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hmm, I don't think anyone knows how it performs...

Exactly. So what's the point of the topic? Sharing some photo gallery? :) 
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February 2, 2006 11:18:02 PM

huge socket... what processor goes on that?
February 2, 2006 11:20:03 PM

Maybe a 940 pin cpu... Or if you like to call it a socket AM2 cpu. What would fit there, in your opinion?
February 2, 2006 11:21:18 PM

Well, it features Nvidia's new MCP55 chipset.

Here's the link from the Inquirer:
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=29451

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This might mean that AMD is on the track with M2, AM2 transition...


Once more this sentence validates my statement in some other thread that AMD is free to launch their AM2 infrastructure any time they want, but once more, they don't need to because current processors are still competitive with Intel's offrerings. :wink:
February 2, 2006 11:24:59 PM

I'm begining to suspect that there's some kind of intention behind those pointless comments of yours... Is there?
February 2, 2006 11:38:35 PM

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I'm begining to suspect that there's some kind of intention behind those pointless comments of yours... Is there?


No, I'm not. Why are you saying that?????

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February 2, 2006 11:41:17 PM

i was saying that to maypep_necro because of his topic "very old computer running"
February 2, 2006 11:44:01 PM

no there's no poiint to any of frenchie's comments
February 2, 2006 11:45:13 PM

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Once more this sentence validates my statement in some other thread that AMD is free to launch their AM2 infrastructure any time they want, but once more, they don't need to because current processors are still competitive with Intel's offrerings.


Bullshit! If they could release it on time, they would and gain market share...
There are solid reasons why it is being pushed back, obviously it is problems due to design, trying to hurry as fast as they can reasonably go to get it ready for mainstream... and the more delays, the more the indicators are that something is not right...
February 2, 2006 11:50:33 PM

Hmm, is this really the way the delay should be interpretated?
February 3, 2006 12:09:49 AM

I posted my opinion on the "AMD postponed AM2 because it can" scenario on the Intel + Apple thread. I don't believe Bullshitter responded to it so I'll post it again. I know people may not care much for my opinion, but it seems sensible to me so here it is:

Personally, the use of "because they can" as the reason for the AM2 delay doesn't seem reasonable. The problem with the reason is the fact that the AM2 delay puts its launch right on top of the Merom family launch. Even if we assume that AM2 will still maintain the performance lead over Intel, we can generally agree that the performance lead won't be as great as it currently is with the P4. AMD's power and heat lead will be similarly reduced or eliminated. With AMD no longer having a clearly outperforming chip that can sell itself, AMD will have to out market Intel. Now Intel may be a poor chip designed, but they certainly are a good marketer either due to good strategy, which can be debated, or by sheer amounts of money that they can throw out. Why would AMD put themselves in a position where they have to try to fight for the same TV time or newspaper space?

Marketing isn't the only issue. Intel can also outprice AMD if need be. AM2 will still be using the 90nm process while Intel will be using 65nm. Merom is also the 2nd generation on the 65nm and by Q3 the yields would have improved enough to surpass Intel's current 90nm process. It isn't just the processor either. By Q3, Intel will be double transitioning their chipsets from 130nm to 90nm and from 200mm wafers to 300mm wafers. The wafer transition alone increases die production by 240% and reduces energy costs by 40%. AMD may have better performance, but if Intel cuts their prices and the chipsets can easily sustain a 50% cut, AMD will have a hard time competing.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/chipsets/display/200511242...

It would make much more sense for AMD to launch as originally planned in April. That way they can do it on their own terms and market at will. Even if they don't have the initial volumes at launch, by the time Intel launches a few months later AM2 would have been mature, the market would have accepted it, and the prices would have dropped and stabilized. AMD could then easily evaluated Merom's performance and release faster processors as needed on their already proven platform. This would give them a much better market condition.

If there was a technical glitch or other hard reason to postpone the AM2 launch then of course AMD was justified. However, the "they did it because they can" argument just doesn't fly with me. AMD has the advantage right now. Why would they sit around, if they have the product ready, when they can just as easily lead the market and maintain their lead?
February 3, 2006 12:18:51 AM

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Bullshit! If they could release it on time, they would and gain market share...
There are solid reasons why it is being pushed back, obviously it is problems due to design, trying to hurry as fast as they can reasonably go to get it ready for mainstream... and the more delays, the more the indicators are that something is not right...


The board you've seen in the link is functional and ready to ship. :wink:


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Personally, the use of "because they can" as the reason for the AM2 delay doesn't seem reasonable. The problem with the reason is the fact that the AM2 delay puts its launch right on top of the Merom family launch.


You just answered your own question.

AMD will use AM2 as a spoiler for Intel's launch of their new processor. :wink: [/quote]
February 3, 2006 12:37:22 AM

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The board you've seen in the link is functional and ready to ship.

Have you read that Inquirer article you posted?

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SOCKET M2 or AM2 motherboards are almost done. At least MSI has sort of finished its one.

The operative words are "almost" and "sort of". It isn't ready to ship yet.

Even if it was basically ready, its doubtful that OEMs have seen much of them. OEM's haven't seen the processors yet anyways.

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=29346

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Sources close to AMD's plan said that Socket M samples are likely to be delivered to its OEM (original equipment manufacturing) customers as early as late February.

If OEMs were getting final chips, then maybe the AM2 platform would be nearly ready to ship. As it stands, OEM's haven't even received samples yet and won't until the end of the month, meaning they have no chips to go with their "sort of finished" motherboards. With OEMs not having all the pieces until the end of February, they would have very little time to integrate all the parts together, test for stability, design systems, build them, and prepare marketing. This is no doubt why a late March launch and April availability was unlikely and therefore postponed.

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AMD will use AM2 as a spoiler for Intel's launch of their new processor.

If AM2 had a large performance gap over Conroe and a significant lead in power consumption and heat then it would be a viable spoiler. As it is, if AM2 has the lead it will be fairly small, meaning it won't have much wow factor. It may be a good alternative, but it's doubtful it will come across as a replacement. Making AM2 a spoiler also requires good marketing, however, like a said in my original post, if Intel decides to pump millions into marketing its next-generation families, which is likely considering the changes in every segment, AMD may not be heard above all the noise and buzz.
February 3, 2006 12:50:33 AM

Agree.

I don't know why you say "I know people may not care much for my opinion" when, what really matters here, is the quality of the posts.

Marketing issues aside, i find the MSI board very simple, to put it bluntly, considering the step taken into a new... well, socket.
Curiously, what appears to be a 'major' change is the implementation of a single IDE (+ FDD), as if this was the final countdown towards SATA (there are six of them, actually); on the other hand, there still are 3 standard PCI.
The socket seems to sit closer to the DIMMs than in previous boards; and, as for power related issues, there are - just - three power voltage regulators & a plain four-pin, 12V CPU connector. Though it might be a mid-to-low-end MSI solution, it appears that the next AMD CPUs which will be sitting on the M2, will follow AMD's power efficiency requirements...


Cheers!
February 3, 2006 5:36:52 PM

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Have you read that Inquirer article you posted?

Yes, I've read it.
It's up to you if you want to think that the board from MSI isn't yet functional and ready.

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OEM's haven't seen the processors yet anyways.

Are you sure about that statement??? 8)

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AMD will use AM2 as a spoiler for Intel's launch of their new processor.

If AM2 had a large performance gap over Conroe and a significant lead in power consumption and heat then it would be a viable spoiler. As it is, if AM2 has the lead it will be fairly small, meaning it won't have much wow factor. It may be a good alternative, but it's doubtful it will come across as a replacement. Making AM2 a spoiler also requires good marketing, however, like a said in my original post, if Intel decides to pump millions into marketing its next-generation families, which is likely considering the changes in every segment, AMD may not be heard above all the noise and buzz.


Well, once again, AMD will use the AM2 launch as a spoiler just the way Intel did when they launched their Pentium "Emergency Edition" against the first Clawhammer set of processors (anyone remember?). :roll:
And about marketing, AMD shouldn't be concerned about that. They do just fine with their type of "guerrilla marketing" against Intel.

People already knows what to expect from a single and dual Athlon 64 processor (performance wyse), the problem here is that people doesn't knows how Merom, Conroe and friends will perform once they see the light of day. All we know from these processors is paper launches and "expected" performance against current Intel offerings (once again, exuberant optimism :wink: ).

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I know people may not care much for my opinion...

Why do you believe that??
Maybe, there's something (or someone) that makes you feel that way, but don't you worry, everyone here loves you.
February 3, 2006 5:40:43 PM

thanks for the info when i get 1 hundred post's ill show some nice pics of am2 and f sockets and proc's
February 3, 2006 6:02:19 PM

tou know with a name like bull shitter i don't think i can trust you lol
February 3, 2006 6:03:16 PM

:idea:
February 3, 2006 6:07:38 PM

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thanks for the info when i get 1 hundred post's ill show some nice pics of am2 and f sockets and proc's


:?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?:

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tou know with a name like bull shitter i don't think i can trust you lol


Thanks. You encourage me even more.
February 3, 2006 8:20:05 PM

you are welcome
February 3, 2006 8:51:40 PM

This is a shout to ltcommander data...

In all your posts you seem to be very blunt in saying things...like..

"I know the reason why AMD isn't releasing their M2's" - Does this mean you work for AMD?

"OEM's haven't even seen M2 socket CPU's yet" - Really? Is that because you are an OEM?

"The architecture of this CPU is designed like this and done like this because of this reason" - Have you seen a CPU at a fabrication plant and talked to the designers?

"The next-gen CPU performance with DDR2 will not be big" - Is that because you've used an M2 socket CPU?

"That M2 MSI motherboard isn't ready yet" - Is that because you work at MSI too and have seen the motherboard and spoke to the company peeps?

There is a huge list I can continue to say, but I will spare everybody. Obviously you seem to be a very educated man (or woman) which is nice, but you seem to come off cocky IMHO and you talk too professional and come off a little arrogant. Maybe you know everything, maybe you know nothing, but from your previous posts I've read, it leads me to conclude you're one interesting character.

P.S. If you're going to respond with "I read that at a website", please say it was a site other than "The Inquirer", which is just as bad as the magazine in print (IT'S BS!).

~~Mad Mod Mike, pimpin' the world 1 rig at a time
February 3, 2006 9:30:19 PM

I believe you need to directly quote me on my posts since responding to the meaning that you personally inferred from my words is pointless.

For instance,

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"I know the reason why AMD isn't releasing their M2's"

I don't believe, that at any point I said that "I know the reason why AMD isn't releasing their M2's". (It should be AM2, btw, hopefully that correction doesn't come across as arrogant). What I was giving is "my opinion" on why the AMD postponed AM2 because it can reason doesn't make sense. I specifically used the words "my opinion" at the beginning of the original post. I'm not sure how you got the words "I know", especially when the original post ended with an open question. I believe my reasoning was very clear in the post and Bullshitter and I have been debating this for quite some time. I would hope I'm not misconveying myself to him.

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OEM's haven't even seen M2 socket CPU's yet

As for that line, yes it was quoted from an article by The Inquirer. I know that The Inquirer may not be the most reliable source, however in that case the article I was using was one Bullshitter himself posted on this forum. If he can use that article then I would expect that he generally believes in it's information and since I am replying to him anyways there is no reason why we can't debate over that common ground.

This was the original thread for the article's introduction.
http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/AMD-socket-quad...

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The architecture of this CPU is designed like this and done like this because of this reason

For this you will have to be more specific, since I can't back up my claims or admit I'm at fault without knowing what specific information I talked about.

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That M2 MSI motherboard isn't ready yet

Again, I was just requoting from the same article he himself used to present the motherboard with. Seeing Bullshitter's latest post, we disagree over the interpretation, but there's nothing wrong with that.

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you talk too professional and come off a little arrogant

Maybe I do, but I would hope my professional tone comes off better then some other people's run-on sentences and mad rants. When I respond to people's problems, I think they feel a little better when I seem sure of what I am saying. That doesn't mean I can't be wrong of course, and anyone can feel free to correct me.

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Maybe you know everything, maybe you know nothing,

I hope I'm a little of both. I don't want to sound all philosophical or even more "arrogant", but it just wouldn't be fun otherwise.
February 3, 2006 9:52:13 PM

Wow, data, you responded in true ******* fashion, thank you for proving my point. And at no time did I say "you said these exactly", those are what is known as "approximation quotes", it's when you're quoting somebody to what that person really meant when they said sed quote (understand what I said?). As I said before, you're an interesting character.

P.S. "******" implies nothing, I simply enjoy typing asteriks...
P.S.2. I feel free to correct all of your posts...if only I could hit "edit"..darn...
P.S.3. If you're quoting a website, say "according to blahblah website", not "OEM's don't have the CPU's", that's using a manner depicting that you know for a fact, which no website knows anything for a fact (it's all an illusion o.O).

And uhm, what's "fun" about your posts? /me searches deep inside to find the laughter...

~~Mad Mod Mike, pimpin' the world 1 rig at a time
February 3, 2006 10:09:18 PM

In defense of LC Data, he is one of the brighter Intel fanboys we see these days.
His mind may be shut now, but from time to time, it does seem that it may open some day.
February 3, 2006 10:09:51 PM

Well, on what regards (in)coherence, you replied to the wrong 'poster'...

I guess that, one way or the other, WE all try to shine here & use our dusty-rusty glamour to grab attentions; that's not a prob, in itself, and it makes threads like this even more interesting... as long as some objectivity is not lost in the middle.
Sure, sometimes we're compelled to put forward our opinions a little over the edge... as if we owned the whole truth. As a consequence, two kinds of trends bifurcate: one is left "in the dust", not knowing enough to argue coherently; the other, knowing just the sufficient to seem arrogant. The rest, stands in a sort of "limbo" (where i belong, if you ask...). Either way, it's fine, because it enriches the debate.

Marketing-related comments is almost one's able to debate in this thread, since it appears that no-one has a clue about the next AMD CPUs.

What about the MSI board? Can you infer anything about the (first?) AMD M2 socket implementation? Is it worth it? After all, it's only a socket + (nVIDIA's) chip shift, or is it?


Cheers!
February 3, 2006 10:13:27 PM

Nah Chief, and didn't say I did. Simply posting that after seeing so many posts by commander, everybody seems to be buying what he's saying, which seems to be grade A beef-steak. How do I know he's not telling truth about the recent events? Because in the past he has said things to be BS. And no, I will not restate them here because I am too lazy....and too cool 8) .

Oh and chief, if these "forumz" had a button that said "post" and not "reply to a specific person to post", that would be great. Thanks for noticing, have a grand day chap! :D 

~~Mad Mod Mike, pimpin' the world 1 rig at a time
February 3, 2006 10:14:11 PM

I'll take your advice and specifically mention the author of the article in my sentences. The reason I don't usually do that is that it's cumbersome and I would think that providing the link and direct quotation of the information I'm using right above the paragraph that I'm using it in would be enough for the average user to draw the connections.

If you don't feel I can argue with articles others submit, like lawyers can argue over evidence in a court room, then there's not much I can do to change your opinion. For technical arguments, I usually draw from more articles anyways, but that's more difficult when we're debating over news. Websites like The Register, The Inquirer, Xbit Labs, etc. usually quote from one another anyways so it ends up being virtually one source when we're talking about the news.

Like I said, feel free to decry my opinions as arrogant lies while I debate with others any time you want. Based on your P.S.2., no doubt you will.
February 3, 2006 10:20:46 PM

I sense you're trying to use your "professional talk" to insult me, good job mate. And for the "register, inquirer, blah blah being the same", you're right, they're all the same, and that same is all W R O N G. Hope this opens your mind to other real websites (can't think of any, not sure if they exist). I don't believe websites for their information, I test products myself or go on what my friends or co-workers say, and there are quite a lot of them so I can test alot of products personally vs. reading a website saying "the 7800 ultra will come next after 7800GTX!" P.S., this quote is from your famed "The Inquirer".

~~Mad Mod Mike, pimpin' the world 1 rig at a time
February 3, 2006 10:26:38 PM

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no there's no poiint to any of frenchie's comments

lmfao
February 3, 2006 10:31:37 PM

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I test products myself or go on what my friends or co-workers say, and there are quite a lot of them so I can test alot of products personally

This may be the heart of our disagreement. I agree with what you are saying completely. The problem is, what Bullshitter and I were debating in this thread was a product that hasn't been released. In most cases, when I've talked about architecture, it has likewise been about processors that haven't been realised, therefore there is no way I could use personal experience to prove something. That is why we use other websites, which may or may not be reliable. You may wonder what is the point of debating something that isn't released yet, but I find it interesting and I'm pretty sure Bullshitter does too.

The other case where I use other websites benchmark results is when I'm providing advice to someone's problems or buying information request. The websites may not be the most reliable, but people would probably trust the website's which is more thoroughly described than the benchmarks of a strangers. I would of course give my personal experience if it's relevent.
February 3, 2006 10:37:08 PM

I don't know how to say this as I've tried before, so I will just say it...I don't like you...simple as that...it's no big conspiracy or effort on your part or my part, it's simply that I don't like you, and maybe I should have saved us the posts and said it in the beginning, but maybe you learned something from the posts, maybe I did too...o well, let's declare this thread officially dead, since nobody is posting about the topic anymore.

~~Mad Mod Mike, pimpin' the world 1 rig at a time
February 3, 2006 10:39:23 PM

That usually happens when it becomes a personal debate. It's fine that you don't like me, I don't hold it against you.
February 3, 2006 10:57:28 PM

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"I know people may not care much for my opinion" when, what really matters here, is the quality of the posts.


I wrote that!

If you're going into an endless trickle between yourselves, i'm outta here!
February 3, 2006 10:58:17 PM

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"I know people may not care much for my opinion" when, what really matters here, is the quality of the posts.



I wrote that!

If you're going into an endless trickle between yourselves, i'm outta here!
February 4, 2006 1:47:10 AM

It_Commander:

The problem with you is that you're the typical arrogant intel fanboy that fights with everyone (with polite words) that tries to refute the opposite of what you've said.

Whenever you say something good about Intel, everyone admires your writing skills and agree with your replies, but as long as someone try to post something good about AMD, you're always on their ass posting negative or sarcastic coments even knowing that "sometimes" you're wrong.

You might be very knowledgeable about Intel in all aspects (and I respect that), but you aren't with AMD. You can't serve two lords at the same time. :wink:

Now, let's get back to topic or make the topic die here.
February 4, 2006 3:02:32 AM

hey bulshittr did you read my intel fanboy's post :?:
February 4, 2006 3:48:04 AM

wow... stop arguing people

Anyways... back on topic. Anyone have any idea (I don't care if you think, or if youre sure, just answer me) if MSI will be the only manufacturer releasing an AM2 Mobo when the socket is released. I'm planning to build an AM2 rig sometime this summer and would like to be the proud owner of a new DFI AM2 board with a nVidia C51XE chipset.
February 4, 2006 3:52:01 AM

I doubt only one co will debut the AM2...
February 4, 2006 4:07:24 AM

Well, I just wanted to know if anyone has any info regarding to DFI launching a lanparty mobo with the debut of AM2.
February 4, 2006 2:25:38 PM

I guess everyone is working hard to finish their boards in time (this includes Asus, ABit, DFI, etc), but until now, MSI is the first vendor to show their finished AM2 board.
February 4, 2006 3:43:21 PM

well said there 3M, you have proven yourself as a true "ARSE"
If "ARSE's" could fly your home would be the airport.

Pounceing on anyone for and EDUCATED opinion is showing everyone here that your a little kid with a chip on your shoulder. Your signture is futher proof of the fact that you THINK you can pimp! I.E. while you sit there typeing trash with no women in sight, just a bottle jergans/tissue and ROSEie and the five sisters to compansate for your inaquatices.

Small minds need not reply, so please post else where.
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