why are they not releasing more games on dvd?

i think all games should be released on dvd
there is no reason to release them on cd anymore
any one with a half-way decent system has a dvd player
and if they don`t i`m sure they can afford 25-30 dollars for one. releasing games on dvd would cut down on the number of disks, allow more and better cinematics to be played from the dvd, most games require taht a disk stay in the drive so that one could contain cinematic cutscenes and relieve your harddrive.

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cost and despite what you think, most people do not have a dvd-rom player.

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Reply to dhlucke

I reckon it's an industry thing. If they moved to a single DVD we (the end users) would turn round and say "Shouldn't this cost less as it did not cost you as much to produce?" (less disks, lower production costs etc.). The reply would probably be along the lines of "Well, we've been screwing you for years with the inflated costs of CD based games, why should we stop now, in fact we'll slap an extra couple of quid on because it costs more to put the 'now in DVD format' label on the front of the case"

Call me cynical if you want.....

Reply to DFenn

youre cynical.

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Reply to mrface

I think there are a number of reasons:

1. Not everyone has a DVD-Rom yet, and so the companies fear losing sales by not supporting the CD-only posse.

2. The disc production companies already have all the CD-writing equipment. Swapping to DVD will involve significant investment, which will get passed onto the game publisher and thus the end user. higher cost = less sales.

3. It isn't totally necessary yet - most games I've come across recently still fit on 2 CDs - one for install and one for gameplay (presumably the cinematics etc). Once it is more standard for 6,7,8 discs I think you'll see a lot more DVD games - and by then many more users will have a DVD-ROM.

I expect to see a signifcant increase in the number of DVD games over the next 12-18 months. I already have my DVD drive, so I'm ready... ...at least until Blu-Ray ;o)

Reply to Llamaman

i think that is a bunch of bull

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1. Not everyone has a DVD-Rom yet, and so the companies fear losing sales by not supporting the CD-only posse

well than spend 20$ and buy one you cheap bastards
if these companies only released games on dvd i`m sure people would upgrade
just the same way they had to get faster cd-roms when the games required them

Quote :

2. The disc production companies already have all the CD-writing equipment. Swapping to DVD will involve significant investment, which will get passed onto the game publisher and thus the end user. higher cost = less sales.

boo hoo i cried too when my steam engine car broke down and i had to get a gas one.

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3. It isn't totally necessary yet - most games I've come across recently still fit on 2 CDs - one for install and one for gameplay (presumably the cinematics etc). Once it is more standard for 6,7,8 discs I think you'll see a lot more DVD games - and by then many more users will have a DVD-ROM.

most games fit on 2 disks because they have no or shitty cinematics
i mean far cry is an awesome game but those beginning cinematics? i didn`t expect the game to be any good after seeing that lame shite. i`m tired of popping xbox games in and seeing awesome cinematics but none for the pc. and how could anyone have no dvd rom come on people its 2005 get with the program, they are only $20. and i would think any pc within the last 2 years had to have come with one.

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Reply to arnold873

Nice work man. You ask a question, then flame people when they answer.

I think I've seen you before <A HREF="http://www.politicsforum.org/images/flame_warriors/flame_28.php" target="_new">here</A>.

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Reply to Confoundicator

thats pretty funny
i never relized there was such a thing

but really i`m making a point i think that is much different.
i asked the question yes, but i think there is really no good reason why games are not on dvd- so i was really making a statement on the sad state of the pc gaming market;
which has been losing out to the consoles for several years now and is only going to get worse with the nextbox and ps3

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Reply to arnold873

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so i was really making a statement on the sad state of the pc gaming market;
which has been losing out to the consoles for several years now

thats so absurd, lmfao...

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Reply to mrface

If you look at the quality of an average console game compared to a PC game, I would pick the PC game everytime. High res graphics, customisable input methods, total expandability (if its been written properly!). Once you have completed a console game what the hell do you do with it?, stick it in the cupboard most of the time! Most PC games have a loyal following of fans who will try to find ways to develop that game further by creating new levels, characters etc.

I must admit that now XBox and PS2 have gone ADSL they are getting better (see Halo2, SW:Battlegrounds) and with XBox 2 and PS3 round the corner the PC will have some serious competition but we will just have to wait and see (I actually wouldn't mind seeing a PS3/XBox2 connected to a high def TV and a full surround system!).

All the computers we buy in work at the moment don't come with floppy drives, even the faithful CD have been replaced with a DVD-ROM. Games developers will get the message soon enough, the market is ready for DVD based games, I just hope they just don't try to screw us for any more cash for the privilage.

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Reply to DFenn

They probably have warehouses full of CD-R's that they have to use before they put games on DVD. If they need more space for games they will go to a newer format.
Maybe it's read speeds and the fact that CD's have faster access times. I haven't researched this so I don't really know.

Reply to palmerg

I would say the general response should be, there are many reasons many different people would want or need the cd's, which unfortunatley outways your desire to get everything on dvd.
And while you think your desire for having everything on dvd is a legit request,, all those who want otherwise feel the same way...

Reply to jmwpom3

I suppose its ok, but Why respond to me on this.

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well than spend 20$ and buy one you cheap bastards
if these companies only released games on dvd i`m sure people would upgrade
just the same way they had to get faster cd-roms when the games required them

Think outside your little box.

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boo hoo i cried too when my steam engine car broke down and i had to get a gas one.

DVD's do not make anything faster or better they simply offer the same product on less discs.

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most games fit on 2 disks because they have no or shitty cinematics
i mean far cry is an awesome game but those beginning cinematics? i didn`t expect the game to be any good after seeing that lame shite. i`m tired of popping xbox games in and seeing awesome cinematics but none for the pc. and how could anyone have no dvd rom come on people its 2005 get with the program, they are only $20. and i would think any pc within the last 2 years had to have come with one.

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You're an enthusiast, we all are here, most people aren't though. Why should they bother spending $20 (if they can afford that) when it does nothing for them?

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Reply to dhlucke

well i could be wrong but wouldn`t dvd games
be able to run cinematics like a movie
and thus keep all that extra info off your HDD
i`m assuming thats the way the xbox and ps2 do it
there is no way those are all rendered cinematics but rather prerendered dvd movies

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Reply to arnold873

i just think that game development for the pc has dropped off, this is probably due to bad sales.
pc games are far superior for sure
but where are any fighting games?
where are the combat flight sims? lock on - sucked
very few good sports games?

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Reply to arnold873

DVD's just have more space. As far as not loading it onto your hard drive I suppose there would be an advantage there with a DVD, but who doesn't load the whole game onto their hard drive? For speed you really should.

The cinematics (cartoons) on console games are really cool, but the games themselves don't look anywhere near the quality of a PC. I'd take the PC game anyday.

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Reply to dhlucke

well i always felt that pc games are far superior
but that the consoles had much better cinematics and it has to be due to the dvd; because the console plays the cinematics like a movie all prerendered.
don`t get me wrong i don`t think consoles have better games.

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Reply to arnold873

I admit the game cinematics for consoles are sometimes mind boggling but then you get into the game and it's not that great.

I don't really demand that from my games though and I would assume others don't as well. If there was demand for the movies I'm sure they would be there.

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Reply to dhlucke

yeah i mena pc games are much much better
i would just love to have the cinematics
and come to think if it a good fighting game like dead or alive 3
that game is sick, some of the best console graphics i`ve ever seen and the only reason i bought the xbox

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Reply to arnold873

i agree fighting gmaes and sports games a far superior on consoles than pc but i prefer to play those on console instead of pc, much easier configuration. face it fps, rpg, rts belong on pc and sports, fighting belong on consoles.
as for the cinematics/graphics... pc anyday, granted the opening movies for consoles rock, but i dont play the games for the opening movies... i play for funfactor and replayability, i do like to get suprised with good movies during the game, but thats not the ole reason for gaming.

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Reply to mrface

imagine a fighting game on the pc
with a controller that actually worked right
that would be sweet

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Reply to arnold873

yeah it would be sweet with a controller that worx...

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Reply to mrface

i remember people talking about a microsoft controller that was good but has not been available for quite some time.
the other problem with pc`s is all or most games are 1 person
a fighting/sports game really needs 2 player

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Reply to arnold873

Think it was called a Sidewinder, had lots of programable buttons and stuff. Seem to remember them doing a rumble pack version although not quite sure?

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Reply to DFenn

i think your right
but i don`t think they had a rumble pack
i don`t think the software supported it

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Reply to arnold873

I still have my Sidewinder - and very good it is too. It isn't analogue though.

I also have a Logitech Dual Action (which IS dual analogue) for playing Fifa and Pro-Evo. Does the trick. Even auto-detected by WinXP (gasp!)

Reply to Llamaman

Hey ppl,
Have you all ever thot about how much DVD ROMs costs in developing countries like india? Also...game companies are losing the battle against piracy in places like these, y wud they alienate those few ppl who buy original CDs?? Dvd drives are around 2k INR over here currently,almost the same as in the developed countries...but a person earns almost ten times less than wat ppl in the developed countries are paid! So in effect wat is 30 dollars to u...feels like $300 to us!

Reply to bodhisatva

Worse yet, what kind of systems are you and your friends running?

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What does dirt taste like? I've always been curious.

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Reply to Auburn9698

He never mentioned dirt.

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Reply to dhlucke

you mentioned dirt

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Reply to mrface

Thanx.....
Ths was nice and considerate of u !!
:-P
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Reply to bodhisatva

I'm confused.

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Reply to dhlucke

Don't be confused, it's just Aub trying to stir up sh|t and taking the piss out of people.

Tell you what Aub, if we fined you a quid for every time you tried to piss people off and gave it all to charity we could probably solve world poverty in a week

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Reply to DFenn

LMAO!

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Reply to Auburn9698

Heh-heh, nevermind.

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Reply to Auburn9698

Glad you took it in the way it way intended. Last thing I want is a flame war.

Now after our digression into taking the piss out developing countries, back to the subject of DVDs.....

I really don't see a problem, a DVD-ROM drive is £20 (or less) these days, if developers said that all new releases were going to be DVD format then 99% of people would be ok about it, they may grumble a bit but hey that's technological progress. I'm sure people grumbled when they stopped releasing videos in BetaMax format but they all woke up and smelt the coffee in the end.

We have BluRay and DVD-HD on the horizon which are going to blow current generation DVDs out of the water (if they are marketed right) and where will that leave CD-ROMs? In the bin with your old stash of BetaMax videos.

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Reply to DFenn

DFenn,
Pardon my ignorance....but wat can u plz gimme a link where i can read bout the blu ray technology... Also wen are the drives gonna be available in the US market?
Thanx man!

Reply to bodhisatva

Picked up most info from news articles.

They demo'd some hardware at CES 2005, Tom's Hardware did some coverage which included some BluRay/HD-DVD stuff, have a look here;

http://www.tomshardware.com/busine [...] ns-01.html

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Reply to DFenn

<A HREF="http://www.tomshardware.com/business/20050113/ces_innovations-01.html" target="_new">clicky</A>

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Reply to mrface

normaly when i buy a game i like to play it, not watch a 10 min video that is better than anything i will experience in the game.

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Reply to jihiggs

like i care mohamed
get another job then and like i care if YOU
can`t afford a dvd player
and if you can`t afford a dvd player how do you afford a
pc? and in anycase these companies would probably still release games on cd for the third world countries like india.
And you could always sell your red dot for some cash

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Reply to arnold873

ok

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Reply to arnold873

young jedi yes you are
very good it is too

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Reply to arnold873

if anyone is interested, i have about four dvdrom(cdrw combo drives) that im willing to sell for 20 bux and you pay shipping.

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Reply to mrface

thanx for the offer!!
BUt am saving up for a dual layer DVD writer!!!( 150 USD) really appreciate the offer though!!! Wish everyone was as friendly like u!!
;-)

Reply to bodhisatva

150 US Dollars!!

Where are you shopping 'Suckers are us'? I paid 40 UK Pounds for one the best dual layer drives around (NEC 3500A), admittedly it was OEM but I already had a copy of Nero6 anyway.

You need to get someone to bring one over from the UK for you.

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Reply to DFenn

It's not surprising at all. In Bangladesh, prices are equally bad.

Plextor's 8x DVD burner (without 8x DVD-R support) costs $200 here. LiteOn's 16x DVD Burner (probably without DVD+R DL support) costs $160, LiteOn LDW-811S $115, LiteOn LDW-411S $90.

DVD-ROM prices are not that bad, but still high. They cost ~$30-$33.

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like i care mohamed
get another job then and like i care if YOU
can`t afford a dvd player
and if you can`t afford a dvd player how do you afford a
pc? and in anycase these companies would probably still release games on cd for the third world countries like india.
And you could always sell your red dot for some cash

Game manufacturers have no market in India. Nobody buys original games there, since nobody wants to spend the half or a quarter of their monthly income just for a game. People buy PCs since it's more than just a gaming device, softwares/games can be pirated and the pc hardware has more value than fun for 1-2 weeks. To us, it's somewhat like what buying a car means to you.

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