In one of the THG articles showcases the top system vendors (Falcon northwest, all american computers), I recall one of the the vendors saying that they chose normal flat IDE cables over rounded cables because the rounded cables had more cross-talk than normal cables. Is the difference that significant? If it is, would there be some test out there? It would be great if THG could do a quick data rate and latency test with the different cables (and maybe even cables of different lengths, since noise is a bigger issue with the longer cables) to see how much it really affects performance.
In one of the THG articles showcases the top system vendors (Falcon northwest, all american computers), I recall one of the the vendors saying that they chose normal flat IDE cables over rounded cables because the rounded cables had more cross-talk than normal cables. Is the difference that significant? If it is, would there be some test out there? It would be great if THG could do a quick data rate and latency test with the different cables (and maybe even cables of different lengths, since noise is a bigger issue with the longer cables) to see how much it really affects performance.
-Kallenin
I don't buy it - "IN THEORY" crosstalk may be an issue - in practice - unless the round cable or connector is damaged, no way. The round cable makers account for crosstalk by adding twists to the wires so that they do not run parallel to each other the whole length of the cable. The signal strength is just not enough to be induced into adjacent wires and any that might be susceptable to these "eddy currents" is then cancelled out by the twists.
The restricted air flow with flat cables should be of more concern than cross talk.
I think they just did not want to spend the extra couple dollars for the round cables and wanted to use the cheap flat cables provided by the drive makers.
One thing to note... Rounded cables are hard to bend in tight spaces. If you are good with origami, you can fold the ribbon cables to line your case. That way there's nothing blocking the air flow.
That is true - but then you might need some very long cables.
But, and perhaps more importantly, bending cables is typically frowned upon, from an engineering/technician's viewpoint. Bending a cable so that there is a "kink" or permanent bend in the wiring puts undue stress on the insulation and possible damage. Bending wires can create micro-stress fractures in the wiring - which can actually change the electrical characteristic of the wire that is bent. This is because of "skin effect" - that property that says that current flows on the outside of a conductor. When you physically bend the wire, you change the shape of the outside of the conductor, much more so than when there is a gentle curve. The cumulative effect of 5 or 6 added bends may affect total resistance in the conductor.
Round cables come in 12, 18, as well as 24 inch length - I feel these allow for some tight fits without the fancy bending and routing of cables - much easier if you have to get in to swap something out.
As long as a wire is insulated, not bent, and the insulation isn't
broken, do as you wish. That's why they call it insulation.
A ribbon cable has a bunch of wires running side-by-side.
What's the difference if one end is near the other. The same people
who believe this crap are the same ones who'll spend an extra
$50 for monster cables for better sound.
Point taken with the analogy, but to be fair, we're talking about comparing the human ear to a computer. I would think that the computer would be a lot more discriminating than our ears.
Anyway, I would expect that the quality of manufacturing of the motherboards and the hard drive is such that it shouldn't be a problem.
Oh yeah - i found the article and here's the quote:
"Falcon does not use rounded IDE cables for their optical drives because they have found through experience that there has been too much crosstalk in the wires when they are bundled together so tightly."
As long as a wire is insulated, not bent, and the insulation isn't
broken, do as you wish. That's why they call it insulation.
No, they call it insulation because it insulates one conductor from coming into contact with another conductor, or ground. The conductor can be damaged and/or strained and the insulation be perfectly in tact.
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ribbon cable has a bunch of wires running side-by-side.
What's the difference if one end is near the other. The same people
who believe this crap are the same ones who'll spend an extra
$50 for monster cables for better sound.
I don't know what you mean here - parallel wires have a much greater chance of having cross talk compared to wires that just meet at the connector. This is why CAT-5 Twisted pair is so popular - because of the twists, specifically designed to cancel out eddy currents, CAT-5 is not shielded.
And as for better cables allowing for better sound - that can be measured, by instruments and a trained ear. Notice I said better cables - not Monster, which may or may not be "better". Much depends on the cable lengths too.
As for Falcon's claim - I still don't buy it. I would suggest they try different cables - and not bundle them so tightly. But the main point is maximum air flow - if you can achieve that, the cable type is not that important.
My point was, sure anything is possible in terms of 'cross-talk'
but it's not something I would be concerned about. The fact
that a company claims they do something for any reason should
always be treated with a certain degree of skepticism.
Does Falcon use certain wires to prevent cross-talk? Possibly.
Does Falcon use certain wires because they look nicer and
they can charge more? Probably.
That was my point and I'm sorry I wasn't a little more clear, it had
been a long day of drinkin' and quadin' in our little snowstorm yest.
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