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So I received a catalog from Dell today touting a Intel Core Duo laptop... 17 inch display, Centrino technology, 1 GB RAM, CDRW/DVD, etc etc etc for $999... a definite steal by my standards...

BUT... it comes with Windows XP Home.

Someone PLEASE correct me if I'm wrong, but Windows XP Home will not utilize both cores of this laptop's CPU... am I missing something?

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yes you are, xp home cannot utilise more than one cpu but can handle multiple cores, physical or logical.

Reply to strangestranger

I want a 2nd opinion on this... I know XP Home supports Intel's with HT technology... but everything I've ever read says that to support a true dual-core processor you must run Win2000 Pro or XP Professional.

Reply to rodney_ws

Well damn, I think that guy was right. Why the hell did I bother with XP Professional then?!?

DOH!

Well, I learned something new today.

Reply to rodney_ws

you look as though youve been on these forums for a wee while now and your telling me you havent read any of the multiple posts in which this very same thing is said. if it isnt true then there are alot of stupid people using only 1 core of X2 and opteron's.

Reply to strangestranger

Well, it's kinda hard to argue with AMD... oh well, XP Pro isn't that bad.

http://www.amd.com/us-en/Weblets/0 [...] 64,00.html

Reply to rodney_ws

hey, least if you want to build your own multi-cpu sever you know you've already got the software. im sure it also has more security features than home as well.

Reply to strangestranger

That's not what Intel says.

Reply to rodney_ws
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Bringing this back down to reality, when would you ever need dual cores on a laptop?

Reply to CallumN
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Linux and *BSD provide a tru 100% legally free and open source alternative with full SMP support for any number of CPUs as well as multi-core support :D

http://mirrors.kernel.org/

Semper Fi Linux on!

Reply to linux_0
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Why the hell did I bother with XP Professional then?!?

Well, I learned something new today.




No you didn't!

Why one would ever waste money on Windows XP Home?
That is castrated Windows XP PRO (networking!)

Reply to pcrig
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Yes, but laptops are, in my eyes, only for when you are out of the house, ect, when you cant get to your powerful workstation. Hense why i have an Emachines laptop, cheap.

Reply to CallumN
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you look as though youve been on these forums for a wee while now and your telling me you havent read any of the multiple posts in which this very same thing is said. if it isnt true then there are alot of stupid people using only 1 core of X2 and opteron's.



Well SMART people will NOT buy DELL word processors!

They chose real laptops either IBM/LENOVO (brand) or ASUS laptops.
And yes they would look for TURION 64 (I want one with dual core!)

Reply to pcrig
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Bringing this back down to reality, when would you ever need dual cores on a laptop?



Say What?

Specially on laptop dual core (AMD Turion 64 x2!) has plenty advantages (with Vista 64) !

Have you ever heard of DESKTOP replacement?

Reply to pcrig

Also from what I've seen, the due isn't 64bit capable, so why get a new machine that won't even run newer software that's just over the horizon?

XP Pro allows more simultanios network connections, domain logon, and rdp access. All of which I use so home is useless to me. Some one mentioned "more security features" this is only insofar as domain level security, the OS has no additional features over home that work without a domain (as far as I'm aware.) By the way, XP media center is Pro with domain disabled, which can be enabled with a simple hack.

Reply to michaelahess

My company uses IBM's exclusively, mine and a couple of my friends have died numerous times a year, though Lenova will overnight a box, fix it in one day and ship it back overnight which is nice. I prefer ASUS, Acer, Toshiba. I have a 5 year old dell 4000 that still runs, but I've seen many newer ones, 600m, 6000, x1's, that have issues within a year or less.

Reply to michaelahess
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My company uses IBM's exclusively, mine and a couple of my friends have died numerous times a year, though Lenova will overnight a box, fix it in one day and ship it back overnight which is nice. I prefer ASUS, Acer, Toshiba. I have a 5 year old dell 4000 that still runs, but I've seen many newer ones, 600m, 6000, x1's, that have issues within a year or less.



Company made right choice.
IIf IBM/Lenovo dies it is mainly the problem with the user!

Acer, Toshiba.. This time I say NEVER!
..

Reply to pcrig

My laptop died twice in two months from a small shock I felt when touching the touchpad (power supply plugged in no less!) Had to replace MB both times. I've shocked the heck out of my dell and acer and they never flinche.

Reply to michaelahess
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Also from what I've seen, the due isn't 64bit capable, so why get a new machine that won't even run newer software that's just over the horizon?






Absolutely true!!!! I would buy an AMD64 laptop and run Linux x86_64 instead :D :D



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XP Pro allows more simultanios network connections, domain logon, and rdp access. All of which I use so home is useless to me. Some one mentioned "more security features" this is only insofar as domain level security, the OS has no additional features over home that work without a domain (as far as I'm aware.) By the way, XP media center is Pro with domain disabled, which can be enabled with a simple hack.

Reply to linux_0

did i miss something. will someone please answer the original question.
will windows XP home utilize both cpus in a dual cpu computer. newbie q. txs.

Reply to ratherrapid

i leave this thread alone for 2 secs and all hell breaks loose. the guys was only wanting a simple answer to a question. btw dell in my opinion build the best laptops as they are a nice price and also the because you can can choose to a degree what go#s in it instead of the usual take it or leave it crap that all the aforementioned suppliers do.

i've never even seen someone try to joke that in the mobile market AMD even stands a chance with their turion. 64bit is the only thing its got and the laptop market aint really the place for the software "thats just around the corner"

Reply to strangestranger

ratherrapid if you look at the original reply by me you'll see i answered the question. the rest of this post is just regurgitated opinions from other posts which have discused this topic a million times.

Reply to strangestranger
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Read carefully. No, xp home will not support two cpu setups. The original poster was not talking about a 2 cpu setup. He was talking about a single cpu, that has 2 cores. XP home will work with dual core, whether they are virtual or real. It looks to see how many sockets are present.
In simple terms, XP home will use all of the parts in a single socket setup. In a dual socket setup, xp will only recognize the chip in one of the sockets.

Reply to endyen

My 5 year old dell PIII 700 was faster than a dell 600m with a 1.2g Pentium M, and the HD in that unit died 3 times, the keyboard died once and the serial port didn't work when I first got it (and the machine never left my desk.) Oh by the way, for 3 years all I did was contract out to IBM, Dell, HP/Compaq, Gateway, and Emachines for repair work. I worked on 10 times more dells than any other brand, even Emachines! Sure they sell more, but the odds are still against them. And their prices are terrible for what you get, try to get a 1.8g processor, 100gb hd, 1gig of ram and a radeon700x in a dell for under 2 grand, oh wait you can't.

Reply to michaelahess

OK REALLY, XP home is desigened for a single CHIP, it will still use the dual core, but not as effecently as XP Pro or 2kPro becuase Home does not handle multi-threading as well. XP home also does not have the Networking capabilites either, i think one pc can connect to 5 max on one lan using home. here is the actual differences from Microsoft
Windows XP Comparison Guide.

Hopefully this will finally clear up any confusion............

Reply to Fox_granit

what do you expect from a company that outsources :lol:

Reply to dvdpiddy

I think we can all take something helpful from this thread: never buy a Dell.

Reply to hashv2f16
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Finally a Dell that can handle all the preinstalled bloatware

Reply to K8MAN

don't know bout the rest of you but i haven't yet found one that can

Reply to hashv2f16

XP Home has no problem running a single dual core processor. I currently have an x2 4800+ and I'm running XP Home. The system multi-tasks as well as any other system. You don't need XP Pro. It's just an optional upgrade. How's this for multi-tasking? I can play Battlefield 2 or Everquest II while running a virus scan or burning DVDs! Only thing that I notice is a little longer load times with maps when running the virus scan due to the intense hard drive usage.

Reply to Thucydides
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"will windows XP home utilize both cpus in a dual cpu computer. newbie q. txs.:

It (XP Home) will support a single physical processor, but the single processor can be 2 or more cores....

Reply to mdd1963

Quote :

Bringing this back down to reality, when would you ever need dual cores on a laptop?



Say What?

Specially on laptop dual core (AMD Turion 64 x2!) has plenty advantages (with Vista 64) !

Have you ever heard of DESKTOP replacement?

A laptop will never replace a desktop with multiple montiors.

Multitasking at it's finest. :P

Reply to pip_seeker

I've got a five monitor array on my desk with multiple kvm's, I can jack my laptop in and get 3 displays going on it. That's just as good as my primary pc, except for playing games :)

http://www.tomshardware.com/2005/0 [...] using_usb/

Reply to michaelahess
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I agree, depending on the model, Dell makes good notebooks.
And 64-bit is not going to overtake the notebook market for a few years still.

Reply to RichPLS
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But XP-Pro is the OS to use!

Reply to RichPLS

can u state why. is there anything xp pro can do that u r unable to do with another program--e.g. remote pc access. of course, unless u have two cpus--as im understanding this. im about to decide, and wondering if xp pro is worth the extra costs.

Reply to ratherrapid

You don't need XP Pro unless you intend to use the computer as a business workstation that needs networking. XP Home will use a single multiple core processor and multi-task just fine. See my above post.

Reply to Thucydides
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Quote :

Linux and *BSD provide a tru 100% legally free and open source alternative with full SMP support for any number of CPUs as well as multi-core support :D

http://mirrors.kernel.org/

Semper Fi Linux on!



Do you do this everytime anyone has a query: :roll:

How good is Linux driver support for Dell laptops? :wink:

Reply to 306maxi
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Quote :

Linux and *BSD provide a tru 100% legally free and open source alternative with full SMP support for any number of CPUs as well as multi-core support :D

http://mirrors.kernel.org/

Semper Fi Linux on!



Do you do this everytime anyone has a query: :roll:

How good is Linux driver support for Dell laptops? :wink:


Linux now supports virtually everything, including Dell laptops.

In fact HP/Compaq makes Linux laptops!

I've used Linux or IBM, Toshiba, Dell and Sony laptops and they work fine.

Reply to linux_0

This is quite a simulation. Do what 1.4 Chinese did and steal XP Pro, it isn't worth a fourth of its price tag.

Reply to ak47is1337

Quote :

Why the hell did I bother with XP Professional then?!?

Well, I learned something new today.




No you didn't!

Why one would ever waste money on Windows XP Home?
That is castrated Windows XP PRO (networking!)

Why would anyone wase money on Windows * ?
I still feel ashamed that i actually paid good money for Windows 98 way back when...

Reply to DrCroubie

Quote :

Why the hell did I bother with XP Professional then?!?

Well, I learned something new today.




No you didn't!

Why one would ever waste money on Windows XP Home?
That is castrated Windows XP PRO (networking!)

Why would anyone wase money on Windows * ?
I still feel ashamed that i actually paid good money for Windows 98 way back when...

hmmm... one of these days i'll switch to linux... one day...

Reply to hashv2f16
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I would certainly benefit. Right now I'm using a Dell Precision M60 laptop with a 128MB QuadroFX Go 700. A workstation video card.

Just because you don't see a reason for it doesn't mean there isn't. Plenty of people use CAD on laptops. And a slew of other things that utilize dual core.

-mpjesse

Reply to mpjesse

CADs like ProDesktop (i think thats it) will make 3.4 northwoods really crawl when you are swivelling a medium to complex drawing around the screen

and i dont think the person who said "WHO NEEDS DUAL CORES ON LAPTOPS?" took into account the history and development of computers. back after pentium II when the first pentium III 700mhz laptop came out i bet that someone said the same sorta statement as they. besides the core duos only waste 4W more power than the highest end Pentium M's

Reply to hashv2f16
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Rotating ANY drawings on my laptop is often a painful one. And that's with my bad ass Quadro video card- which is pretty much top of the line as far as workstation laptop graphics go. In my line of work I'm often dealing with drawings that contain tens of thousands of lines. We're talking 1-2 million square foot facilities. Granted many of the facilities are warehouses and hangars (which are not particularly complex), but some aren't. The building I'm working on now for instance is 500,000 square feet, 5 floors, multiple secured areas, LOTS of conduits, man traps everywhere, etc. Anyways, a dual core processor would certainly help me.

-mpjesse

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