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SOCKET AM2 BIRTH SCHEDULED FOR 6th OF JUNE

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February 14, 2006 1:23:06 PM

Good news coming from AMD.
Socket AM2 will debut the 6th. of June.

http://theinquirer.net/?article=29682

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February 14, 2006 1:37:48 PM

Not really good news if you're anxious to buy a new AMD system today.
February 14, 2006 1:51:59 PM

Okay, now wheres the good news?
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February 14, 2006 3:11:10 PM

That's pretty cool. With all the recent speculation surrounding the release date, this is very good news for AMD.
February 14, 2006 3:54:07 PM

I cant wait oh amd oh amd oooooh amd!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
February 14, 2006 3:57:05 PM

Personally I don't have a preference either way, but I am tired of a new freaking platform every 6 months.

I understand the need to continue to improve processor technology for both Intel and AMD, but it's starting to get ridiculous how quick platforms get out of date.
February 14, 2006 4:07:33 PM

YEAH BUT M2 WILL BE THE FLAGSHIP SOCKET LIKE A WAS!
February 14, 2006 4:15:21 PM

Too bad it wont last nearly as long as Socket A did.
February 14, 2006 5:01:00 PM

does anyone else see a problem with JUNE being the release.

AMD has already announced that NO NEW CPU'S will be available on the 939 platform. the fastest was teh FX-60. all new CPU's will be AM2

so now.. AMD doesnt plan on releasing any new CPU's till JUNE? 4 months away? that doesnt sound right.

if this is the case, Intell has a prime opportunity to counter with something big
February 14, 2006 6:37:57 PM

whatch you mean ycon?
February 14, 2006 6:38:42 PM

oh i hope that socket am2 comes a little earlier so i can upgrade sooner!
February 14, 2006 6:42:53 PM

thats basically the problem.

if they're waiting till JUNE to release AM2 and the new line of CPU's

there's now a 4 month gap where AMD will be releasing absolutely NO new technology

thats a big gap in the CPU market with the likes of intel needing to make up ground. this is a good chance for INTEL To do some damage
February 14, 2006 6:53:23 PM

Could also give AMD some serious time to perfect some nice, well developed processors for the AM2 launch. Instead of spitting out a shat load of half ass crud.

Hooray for release dates! :p 
February 14, 2006 7:17:44 PM

I don't see a problem with releasing in June, or the fact that Intel can release a new CPU before than. So what? You going to drop $1,000 on the Intel 9xx EE 3.73GHz Dual Core that's supposed to be released? The next 4 months will give AMD the prime oppurtunity to seal the deal with a firm grasp in Mobile, Desktop and Server markets with the release of AM2, F, and Socket S1. I hear alot of hype about Conroe, woopdy freakin' doo, a new CPU from Intel that is supposed to be 3 times faster than Prescott. Any AMD64 on a Clock-For-Clock basis is probably 3 times faster than Prescott.

Of all the Conroe and new Intel CPU hype, this may all be true, but saying AMD is going to have a hard time, is straight up ReeDeeculous! This all goes on the thought that AMD isn't planning on releasing new CPU's themselves, which is untrue. AMD, according to a few websites, plans to release a new architecture at the turn of the year, and with the introduction of Socket F in the Opteron 64 realm, you can say bye-bye to Woodcrest being a challenge for the Opteron. And Socket S1 will definately beat any Merom CPU that Intel can put out.

~~Mad Mod Mike, pimpin' the world 1 rig at a time
February 14, 2006 7:28:43 PM

Socket F heh, next after that will be the Socket FU, followed by Intel's new release the Socket FU2 which will pwn all for like 3 weeks. Then AMD upgrades again to something insanely better that blows everything out the water...
February 14, 2006 7:44:42 PM

As long as people are willing to buy new processor platforms in large numbers Intel/AMD will always be free to release them on their own schedule. It's a free market and that's just the way it works.
February 14, 2006 7:49:19 PM

Gush then I made a mistake buying a 939 dual core short ago. The best you could do - if you really need to build a new system- is buying Intel Presler D 3.0 (around $330) and exchange the board and CPU when AM2 is out. This way your DDR2's won’t go to waste. Boy the prices of 939's is gonna drop dramatically!

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February 14, 2006 7:50:03 PM

I don't think it's as much new technology as pricing that will work to Intel's advantage prior to AM2's launch. Intel will be refreshing their entire line-up with the 3.6GHz 960D and a 3.73GHz 965EE at the top. These will be based on a new stepping, finally having EIST enabled down to 2.4GHz, and an improved 65nm process allowing the 940D to drop to the lower TDP rating. All other processors will probably also see power decreases so the 960D won't likely use much more power than the 950D and similar for the 965EE and the 955EE.

Of course, these revisions are just small improvements to an already dying or dead (depending on your point of view and whether you overclock) design. What is most important isn't as much technology as pricing. Intel has scheduled crazy cuts to their dual core line-up. The most significant cut will be the 3.4GHz 950D, which is Intel's highest model mainstream dual core currently, will fall from $637 to $316. These cuts will come on April 23rd, which means they will be fully implemented by the time AM2 is launched in June.

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20060213PR218.html

AM2 will be faster than Presler, but at 3.4GHz the 950D is no slouch either. With EIST and refined 65nm process bring down power levels whether at full load, at idle or in between, Intel will be really pushing into the price/performance ratios. The entry dual cores will be the 805D at $150 and the 930D at $209.

If you want performance AMD is definitely the way to go when AM2 launches, but AM2 will either need to have a large performance increase or launch at low prices to ensure the best value.
February 14, 2006 7:54:47 PM

I built a 939 dual core also about 2 weeks ago... I'm just saying that this technology moves so fast. It's really hard to keep up.
February 14, 2006 11:53:15 PM

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I don't think it's as much new technology as pricing that will work to Intel's advantage prior to AM2's launch. Intel will be refreshing their entire line-up with the 3.6GHz 960D and a 3.73GHz 965EE at the top. These will be based on a new stepping, finally having EIST enabled down to 2.4GHz, and an improved 65nm process allowing the 940D to drop to the lower TDP rating. All other processors will probably also see power decreases so the 960D won't likely use much more power than the 950D and similar for the 965EE and the 955EE.

Of course, these revisions are just small improvements to an already dying or dead (depending on your point of view and whether you overclock) design. What is most important isn't as much technology as pricing. Intel has scheduled crazy cuts to their dual core line-up. The most significant cut will be the 3.4GHz 950D, which is Intel's highest model mainstream dual core currently, will fall from $637 to $316. These cuts will come on April 23rd, which means they will be fully implemented by the time AM2 is launched in June.

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20060213PR218.html

AM2 will be faster than Presler, but at 3.4GHz the 950D is no slouch either. With EIST and refined 65nm process bring down power levels whether at full load, at idle or in between, Intel will be really pushing into the price/performance ratios. The entry dual cores will be the 805D at $150 and the 930D at $209.

If you want performance AMD is definitely the way to go when AM2 launches, but AM2 will either need to have a large performance increase or launch at low prices to ensure the best value.

AMD already has the speed and all they need to do is match the price. Easy solution for them too because they can simply rename 939 to "low end" and lower the prices on the existing chips. Who knows maybe when they transition to .065 they could release new versions of the existing 939 chips. AMD made DDR400 VERY popular in the past 3 years and there is simply too much of it out there to ignore that market so I dont think its out of the question. Hows that for a theory?
February 15, 2006 12:05:11 AM

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Socket F heh, next after that will be the Socket FU, followed by Intel's new release the Socket FU2 which will pwn all for like 3 weeks. Then AMD upgrades again to something insanely better that blows everything out the water...


you sum it all real good..

nice one :D 

Wonder if I'm the only one who go it??
February 15, 2006 12:18:21 AM

The current S939 processors will no doubt drop in price in preparation for AM2's release but the question is whether AMD can afford the price cuts necessary. The 950D generally performs between the X2 4400+ and the X2 4600+. The X2 4400+ already received a $50 price cut in the last few weeks dropping its MSRP $467. That means in order to meet the price of the 950D AMD will have to cut X2 4400+'s price by a third. Intel can easily afford the 50% cut to the 950D because by April the 65nm process would have matured with sufficient yields. The pricing model for the 950D was based on the 90nm 840D anyways. It will be interesting to see how much of a profit margin AMD has on their mature 90nm process.

Even the most optimistic estimates for AMD's 65nm transitions put it toward year end, which is 6 months too late. 65nm parts will not be ready to provide the price cuts needed to match Intel's April pricing schedule. By the time 65nm parts launch, Presler would be largely gone from Intel's line-up so the issue will be moot.
February 15, 2006 12:26:35 AM

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Even the most optimistic estimates for AMD's 65nm transitions put it toward year end, which is 6 months too late.


If I'm not wrong, a member from this forum posted an article about 65nm coming the last quarter of this year. The year is divided in 3 quarters, this means that the last quarter starts with September and ends with December. AMD has September till December to release their 65nm process.
February 15, 2006 12:53:08 AM

wrong, it's supposed to be in the second half of NEXT year :o  that's a long delay for 65nm

and the 965 will pwn any AMD out there right now... and for FX-60 prices.
February 15, 2006 1:02:24 AM

well, look at it this way.
my computer is a Pentium3-600 (started life as a P2-350).
it's still going, quite strongly i might add (seeing as i don't care about the latest 3d games, it's all i need). and it was damn upgradeable. i could fit anything from a P2-200 to a P3-1400, with maybe a slocket and a new bios.
but they don't make 'em like 440BX anymore. the upgradeability of any mobo is one of the prime features i want on it.

so middle of last year, i started thinking about a new computer, focussing on a P4-D 8x0 with 955X chipset. glad i didn't get one, because there's little upgrade path, maybe not even to the new Conroes if/when they come out.

But, thanks to the near northbridge-less HyperTransport, the only thing stopping people upgrading from one AMD chip to another is the socket (and maybe a bios update).

so i'm going to buy an AM2/mobo/ram/ps/maybe case, my first "new" computer parts in >5 years. and i'm going to get the cheapest processor i can (if not sempron, then just a 64, not fx or x2), and upgrade the processor later on if needs be. who cares about 65nm anyway? it's not going to benefit me as much (in terms of heat etc) as it will AMD (more procs/wafer, cheaper manufacturing costs). so yay for AM2, may it last a few years at least.
February 15, 2006 1:06:58 AM

but what if Conroe beats AM2 in price and performance? I think you'd want that. It would definitely last you a few years, no upgrades needed.
February 15, 2006 1:21:05 AM

Socket 939 is new low end CPU - its going the same exact direction that socket 754 has gone

They wont make any new chips until the m2, but they will however keep a certain lock on prices for the 939s for a lil while *there has to be a reason retail Sempron 939s aren't out....* reason prolly is "they are just as fast as A64, socket 939 chips"

kinda hard to sell off the current tech when the new low end chip runs just as fast but at a lower price point (or at least the performance difference is so small that it dont matter)

this is why my recent upgrade was to a socket 754, i dont feel so bad for owning a system that runs every game i play at a minimum of 1024x768 (alot of them it even runs at higher resolutions)

i droped $225 for my upgrade and it dont hurt so bad to see a new socket coming out =)

BTW - read the words most of you guys actually use in yur sentences - reminds me of my 12 year old argue'n with my 10 year old (BTW they get in trouble for useless/pointless arguments) and trust me the Intel/AMD debate is both of those. Use what you want and shut up already.
February 15, 2006 2:44:37 AM

uh uh conroe wont beat am2 cause amd is doing a few things to boost performance
1.boostin ht from 200 to 333(at the same multiplier on socket f but only 4 times on socket am2)
2. workin with nvidia on a new chipset(nforce 5 maybe?)
3.already workin on ddr2 past 800 mhz suppoort on the second gen of am2 procs(so instead of topping out at 667 mhz it tops out at 800 or 1000 even)
how do i know google :D