Opteron or Athlon64

Im presently searching for a new cpu and i thought about these two models:

AMD Athlon64 3200+ (S939)
Opteron 146 (S939)

Im not quite sure what's the difference between these the two cpus and and i would like to know what would u choose.

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Get the opty 146 it's got a meg of cache and it is made too higher quality standards than the 64

Reply to dvdpiddy

True to that prozac oh and btw.

AMD FANBOY'S UNITE!!!!!!!!!!!!

Reply to dvdpiddy

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True to that prozac oh and btw.

AMD FANBOY'S UNITE!!!!!!!!!!!!

? Who says I'm a fanboy?

*looks around and sees nothing* your avatar does!

Reply to dvdpiddy

Pfft I use to run a k6-2. Does that make cooler? No... probably lamer.

Sad thing is I don't understand anything about the latest setups.

Wanders off to piece together an Opteron setup..

Reply to lateralex

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AMD Athlon64 3200+ (S939)
Opteron 146 (S939)

For desktop computers Athlon64 is the adequate choice unless you have enough resources (i.e. board and memory) to take advantage of Opteron's overclocking features. Monster-truck-like fanboys go for Opteron because they think it is a server CPU and it is better for their gaming too. They would buy a workstation graphics card too if they could afford it. Server CPUs are made to run multithreaded services (sometimes milions of clients) with a relatively stable load like IIS and COM+ are not exactly fit for multimedia, overclocking and gaming.

Reply to old_times

One more time...
There is Zero architectural difference of design from an Opteron 1xx and its Athlon single or dual core counterpart.
Zero. Same cache, same speed, same hyperthreading, same features...
It is just made to more exacting standards and testing.
And in some cases, costs less than the Athlon counterpart, other times it is only $20 to $50 more.

Reply to RichPLS

hey dude k6 was good for its time

Reply to dvdpiddy

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There is Zero architectural difference of design from an Opteron 1xx and its Athlon single or dual core counterpart.

You better have a look at the following from AMD. Is that what EXACTLY mean?![/quote]

Comparison

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t is just made to more exacting standards and testing.

Do you think they put the CPU to test for days?! explain this to me. And they put looser "standards" in Athlon ?! What Standard is that. this is funny

Reply to old_times

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One more time...
There is Zero architectural difference of design from an Opteron 1xx and its Athlon single or dual core counterpart.
Zero. Same cache, same speed, same hyperthreading, same features...
It is just made to more exacting standards and testing.
And in some cases, costs less than the Athlon counterpart, other times it is only $20 to $50 more.

1 major difference the opty's are i repeat are taken from the center of the wafer where they have the best i mean best quality because they have least contact with the edges of the container that they are made in

Reply to dvdpiddy

Where did you hear that?! no offense to you but it is way crude to be true.

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Reply to old_times

Well the 1xx Opteron dual cores run at 1.35 volts stock, this assists them in running cooler than the couterpart Athlon which runs at 1.4 volts stock.
The 1xx Opteron performs the same as its counterpart at stock, but cooler, yet generally tops out a bit higher than the Athlon does.
Hence it is a bit better of an enthusists chip.

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Well the 1xx Opteron dual cores run at 1.35 volts stock, this assists them in running cooler than the couterpart Athlon which runs at 1.4 volts stock.
The 1xx Opteron performs the same as its counterpart at stock, but cooler, yet generally tops out a bit higher than the Athlon does.
Hence it is a bit better of an enthusists chip.

But you do not benefit from this in your desktop because the CPU load is not stable. When you are running a server, clients get connected - disconnected at a constant ratio or little slope and it is beneficial to maintain the power lower at a time period which is AMD powerNow technology. But when you are multitasking with different loads there is no point of maintaining the power.
Cooler doesn't mean better dude, otherwise people would be overclocking ice cube at 5 GHz

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Reply to old_times

So tell me then, what are the differences between the socket 939 Althon X2-4800 and the Opteron 175?

Reply to RichPLS

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Where did you hear that?! no offense to you but it is way crude to be true.

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from my fellow amd fanboy! and dude it is common sense when they make procs the ones closest to the edges are waste and the ones closer to the middle are the best

Reply to dvdpiddy

There is no common sense when it comes to CPU manufacturing. Do you think they "cut" wafers like they are cutting cookies?! Or wafers come like chocolate bars?! I really feel sad about people who make decisions based on what is posted on this forum.

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Reply to old_times

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So tell me then, what are the differences between the socket 939 Althon X2-4800 and the Opteron 175?

Opetron 1xx series offer 1-way configuration for sever processing while Athlon X2 series offer ultimate multi-tasking for desktop and end users. I refer you to AMD website for more details, but remember they are similar but they are not the same

Here

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Reply to old_times

I'm sorry but that's just dumb.
If your talking about friction from rubbing in a shipping container or other box, they would have the same if not more friction rubbing against eachother in the middle, and i don't even think they do that, have them grouped together.

Reply to corvetteguy

no no no! you dont understand when they make procs where does the waste come from the edges right right so technically if the edges are where waste comes from then the middle is the best and the closer to the middle the better. look my fellow fanboy told me this a while ago when the opty 1 sereis rolled out for 939

Reply to dvdpiddy

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There is no common sense when it comes to CPU manufacturing. Do you think they "cut" wafers like they are cutting cookies?! Or wafers come like chocolate bars?! I really feel sad about people who make decisions based on what is posted on this forum.

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Yeah actually in some ways it's alot like a cookie cutter. Look into it. That Opterons all come from the center is a dubious supposition, but w/e it doesn't matter.

Meanwhile if someone is unwise enough to get thier advice soley from one forum (and the manufacturer's website) don't feel sad for them. Feel happy for the seller of whatever they bought. Stupidity and ignorance are powerful market forces.

As far as the extensive testing, it's prolly more like: "oh chip A runs at 1.8 Ghz with 1.35 v? Chip A is an Opteron." "oh B runs at 1.8 with 1.4v? chuck it in the A64 pile there." But honestly I don't know.

Reply to Bushwick

actually extensive testing is 24 hour load test! and dont call me stupid.

Reply to dvdpiddy

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actually extensive testing is 24 hour load test! and dont call me stupid.

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no offense to you but it is way crude to be true.

I didn't .

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Yeah actually in some ways it's alot like a cookie cutter.

does cookie cutter looks like these wafer cuts?

This is simply because you don't have an understanding of CPU manufacturing. Wafers arrive at manufactures "virgin" with no preference meaning that it not determined yet what CPU (within the same technology i.e. 65 nm) will be mounted on them.
You may reduce the number of your posts here and educate yourself. Try to google CPU manufacturing. Here is the hint.

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Reply to old_times

listen an listen good when was just gettin into comps i asked many ppl how do they make better procs and they all told the samething best procs come form the middle of the wafer regardlees of what kind of fanboy they were.

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Once the wafer full of chips is made each chip is tested while stll on the wafer. If a bad one is found it is marked so that it is not used. Most bad chips tend to be areound the edge of the wafer. The best chips are in the center and are sometimes selected for extended temperature testing for military or industrial use.

you just proved yourself wrong

Reply to dvdpiddy

I think you read a little and said too much. Yes the wafers close to the edge are not as good central cuts but they won't turn to a CPU either. That "industry" they are talking about is your favorite chip manufacturer AMD! AMD uses the same die for 90 nm processors whether it is Opteron or not.

more stuff

defective wafers won't be used

what's in your wallet?! (wafer)

Final word, look at the botom of the page

Reply to old_times

Yes. Cutting the chips from the wafer looks EXACTLY like a round piece of dough having square cookies cut out of it. As much as you may value my having a small post count, imma hafta call bullshit on your snide attempts to denigrate my intelligence and ask that you stick to the facts.

Reply to Bushwick

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As much as you may value my having a small post count,

That post was to dvdpidy! he holds the record of posting (spamming) since he joined THforumz! :wink:

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Reply to old_times

3200's will top at 2.8ghz, 146's will top at 2.9-3.0ghz. big deal if you ask me...

Reply to ak47is1337

hey if with round wafers they have waste then what about square wafers? wont that eliminate waste and make all the procs on the wafer equal?

Reply to dvdpiddy

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having square cookies cut out of it

I am sorry but he doesn't have a f clue what he is talking about. He sees the CPU is square shaped and he thinks the wafer is squared too while it is rounded.

see it here for yourself

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Reply to old_times

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00's will top at 2.8ghz, 146's will top at 2.9-3.0ghz. big deal if you ask me

Man how do you figure out? even you know the max overclocking frequency. I appreciate if you let me know where you get this information. I badly wanna see that.

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Reply to old_times

i know the wafer is rounded but if they make square wafers then could that elimanate waste?

Reply to dvdpiddy

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i know the wafer is rounded but if they make square wafers then could that elimanate waste?

No it generates more waste.

Since thru the Czochralski process the ingot is created by pulling and rotating the molten silicon, the natural shape for the silicon crystal resulted from this process is rounded, not squared.

Then to make sqaure wafers you need to "again" cut the edges of rounded wafer cuts.

Reply to old_times

Oi...

The Opteron and Athalon 64 lines are identical cores.

And yes the opteron cores are taken from the center of the waffer, due to the way that SOI waffers are produced the dielectric properties are not uniform across the entire surface. The closer to the center of the waffer the better the dielectric properties are. Thus supporting higher frequencies with lower voltages, or to the flipside adding more stability/longer chip lifetime.

Sorry let me rephrase my first sentance. Opterons are derived from the Toledo core, this is the same core as the FX-60, and the X2 4400+ and 4800+. There is a reason you can plug any 939 chip into a 939 board. They are identical design.

AMD recently started pulling most Opterons from retail channels when they realized that the Opty's were undercutting the sales of higher end processors like the FX 60 and 4800+.

It's very simple to understand when you stop and think about things. Server chips need to be stable, and robust. Hense AMD selects the cream of the crop for these chips, and purposely underclocks them to add even more stability.

I personally have had the chance to examine the design schematics for these processors during a recent trip down to texas. And yes THEY ARE THE SAME CHIP.

Also, of course AMD's product literature is going to highlight different strengths of the processors as they are trying to sell to different markets.

Reply to penguin_d

no, they have better memory controllers. the 146 has a totally different core than the 3200 venice and hits 200 mhz more.

Reply to ak47is1337

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And yes the opteron cores are taken from the center of the waffer, due to the way that SOI waffers are produced the dielectric properties are not uniform across the entire surface. The closer to the center of the waffer the better the dielectric properties are. Thus supporting higher frequencies with lower voltages, or to the flipside adding more stability/longer chip lifetime.

Sorry let me rephrase my first sentance. Opterons are derived from the Toledo core, this is the same core as the FX-60, and the X2 4400+ and 4800+. There is a reason you can plug any 939 chip into a 939 board. They are identical design.

Ok you are saying Opterons are are from the center of the wafer?! BS! Are you kiddin me? you meant the center of ingot . A polished wafer won't be cut into center or wahtever at all. You didn't do your homework at Texas well. Ultimately ALL 393 Series use identical wafers but they do not have identical design.

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Reply to old_times

Opterons have more leeway in clock speed since they are built for high performance and stability. They also have a superior memory controller. This is the only architectural difference, really.

Reply to ak47is1337

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Opterons have more leeway in clock speed since they are built for high performance and stability. They also have a superior memory controller. This is the only architectural difference, really.

A superior memory controller? I've spent a few hours looking and all I see are different cache sizes. And I see lots of guys over at the AMD forums saying they are the same exact chip if the cache sizes are equal. Could you point me to where you got that info about the controller?

Reply to Bushwick

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i know the wafer is rounded but if they make square wafers then could that elimanate waste?

No it generates more waste.

Since thru the Czochralski process the ingot is created by pulling and rotating the molten silicon, the natural shape for the silicon crystal resulted from this process is rounded, not squared.

Then to make sqaure wafers you need to "again" cut the edges of rounded wafer cuts. well what if when they make the ingot they cut it into square shapes and the waste silicon be put back in the batch

Reply to dvdpiddy

stfu old times, give it up, you're just spamming the forum with your ignorant protest with no good facts to back up your claims. Stop bitching about the way they are cut. If you don't think that is what differentiates the two chips, then prove the difference, other than reciting the AMD website, that didn't really prove shit.

Penguin D owned you hard. He didn't even have to put up link to dismiss you a$$.

Why is it so hard for you to understand that CPU companies make just a few cores, and then name them different sh1t with different frequencies to make more money?

Reply to Dresden

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Opterons have more leeway in clock speed since they are built for high performance and stability. They also have a superior memory controller. This is the only architectural difference, really.

A superior memory controller? I've spent a few hours looking and all I see are different cache sizes. And I see lots of guys over at the AMD forums saying they are the same exact chip if the cache sizes are equal. Could you point me to where you got that info about the controller?

some people compare them to their FX55's FX57's

Reply to ak47is1337

Athlon 64 vs. Opteron Processors : What's the difference again?
( a little old but still explains the fact that Opteron is not designed for Desktop users.)

But I guess nothing better than this can explain the differences between these two buddies:

I am Opteron! I am Athlon 64!

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Reply to old_times

ok dude whatever btw if they make square wafers they can save alot of money

Reply to dvdpiddy

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they can save alot of money

Oh yeah! Let AMD know about your brilliant idea.

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Reply to old_times

the best wafers are those ones sold in the square packaging, they look pink, tan, and brown, and taste... mmmm mmmmm good

Reply to 529th

lolzzz

you cut to the heart of the matter!!!

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Reply to old_times

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