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whats best a old 2x/4x agp slot w/ slwr gpu or fstr gpu n pc

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February 16, 2006 1:16:05 AM

ok,feb 15th,2006..ok,the qwestion is this which is better say using a older 2x/4x agp slot with a older gpu say visionteck radeon 9250..or using say a 9800se in a pci slot (not pcie).. as one the slot is what "faster architecture"/data flow..and the other is slower (pci) but has a faster gpu.any clues motherboard is intel d845wn intel current ram is 768 cpu= 1.8ghz (if that helps)..thanks 1015pm eastern time~myrtle beach
February 16, 2006 1:44:25 AM

well the 9250 would have a faster data transfer rate but the 9800se would still beat it.
February 16, 2006 1:57:40 AM

ok thanks..but do u know any good card that would be for pci..and were u suggesting to go with pci and a better gpu? or slower gpu and faster agp.
February 16, 2006 2:12:55 AM

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well the 9250 would have a faster data transfer rate but the 9800se would still beat it.


No way. Everything is on the PCI bus, AGP is dedicated bandwidth.
February 16, 2006 2:22:02 AM

yeah the 6200 if you can find one or the 9250
February 16, 2006 2:24:58 AM

32bit Parallel PCI running @ 33MHz only has 132MB/sec of SHARED bandwidth

AGP is a lot faster and dedicated as indicated by FlyGuy :D 


There are great AGP cards out there including the 6800GS AGP and 7800GS AGP selling for about 199 and 299 respectively. The X850 is good too.
February 16, 2006 2:37:48 AM

PS.. IM CURRENTLY USING A RADEON 7000 VE..and the agp slot is 2x/4x.. so im wanting a better card..but ive heard that a 9800 will not work in a 2x/4x slot..and that it would also fry stuff..and the ati radeon website indicates diffrent voltages being ran on 2x..4x..8x soo anyone know??..thanks, ken n myrtle beach~
February 16, 2006 2:43:43 AM

dude where is he gonna find a x850 for chap?
February 16, 2006 2:46:07 AM

He cant :-(
February 16, 2006 2:55:12 AM

Your AGP slot needs to be v2.0 and support 1.5V. You should be able to check this in the bios.
February 16, 2006 2:59:29 AM

i didnt say i wanted a x850..im simply talking about 2x/4x agp cards and would a 8x fit/work in it..or what.. in other words will a 9800 series ati card fit in a 2x/4x slot..or is the physical size diffrent..and ati saids theres diffrent voltages..see i have 7000 was wondering if a 9800 9250 9880 etc would fit/work..or am i stuk to try a card with a pci slot..(not pcie) intel mobo d845 thanks ..myrtle beach~ 1159pm
February 16, 2006 3:21:56 AM

If you have an AGP 4x slot you should be able to use any 8x AGP card because they are backward compatible with 4x.
February 18, 2006 3:57:15 AM

Your problem is that you're asking the wrong questions. To begin with, the 845 chipset never even supported 2x card, only 2x/4x, 2x/4x/8x, and 4x/8x cards. It only supported 1.5v, which was the standard for 4x. ALL AGP CARDS SINCE THE GEFORCE WORK IN YOUR BOARD, and that includes the 9600 pro, which is usually a better card than the 9800SE (the 9800SE is a revamped 9500 non-pro).

I'd suggest a 9600 Pro, 9600XT, 9700, 9700 Pro, or 9800. Anything faster probably isn't worth putting on your machine.

You might be able to get a 6600GT cheap, and that's a great card.
February 19, 2006 3:54:09 AM

hey historian..well on paltalk in the "pc tech room"..everyones saying my board the (intel d845wn) will not support the 8x only 4x..i looked at this website on agp cards and it indicates that my board will support 2x/4x..or it sayd multple signals 3.3v 1.5..im guessing .8 volt also..the current card is a radeon 7000 and the keying(physical fitting) is such that cards such as 9000 series will fit..BUT WILL THEY WORK.. my system is the intel d845wn mobo w/ 1.8ghz p4(non celeron)..and 768 megs of ram (pc133)..some say i wont noting much of a diffrnce and suggest 8500 ati card and 9200 or 9250 and 9700..looking at ati siteit has a chart,but is somwhat contradictory..id like a 9250 or beter yet 9700..but i do not know if my mobo will support 8x..or just 4x..or so to say can a 2.0 compliant slot ,well will a agp 3.0 compliant card work in a 2.0 slot.. confuzin huh..ken n myrte beach~ thank..feb 19th..1253am edt.
February 19, 2006 5:17:36 AM

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ALL AGP CARDS SINCE THE GEFORCE WORK IN YOUR BOARD


As Master Crashman said!

Buy a 6600GT AGP it will work in your board.

ATI cards will work also. If you want an ATI get a 9800.

Don't let the voltages and 2x/4x/8x confuse you. AGP 8x cards will work in 4x mode.
February 19, 2006 6:39:54 AM

but remember..im running at INTEL MOBO D845WN WITH A INTEL P4 1.8 GHZ AND 768 MEG OF RAM(PC1330..THE FSB IS 400MHZ.. THE AGP CARD SLOT IS 2.0 COMPLIANT..NOT 3.0 COMPLIANT..APPEARS TO BE A UNIVERSAL AGP CARD..CURRENT CARD IS A RADEON 7000 VE W/ 64MEG RAM..soo a 8x agp card will fit..and has the correct signals..but will it actually work..and more so.. will be able to see any diffrence..ken at 340am/sun morn/feb 19th~ thanks
February 19, 2006 7:37:32 AM

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February 20, 2006 8:56:10 PM

thanks linux but ati site shows 9550 n 9600 as having 3 notches (keyed)..but ur missing the point.. i know the cards will physically fit..and that the voltage signal will work..what im saying is..will a 3.0 compliant card,work in a 2.0 compliant slot.. see but thanks for input~ ken n myrtle beach... feb 20th..555pm
February 22, 2006 6:13:30 AM

heres what ATI SAID TO ME GUYS.. 3AM FEB 22ND,,,,,,We have responded to your issue.

Solution: Yes, the 9000 will work on your motherobard. It will work.

An universal video card can work arcross AGP 2x, 4x, 8x which is exactly what all our Radeon 9000 products are capable of.

THANKS
February 22, 2006 3:00:28 PM

Yes this is true for both ATI and nVidia cards as long as they will physically fit.

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Good Luck! :D 
February 27, 2006 4:36:33 AM

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It's official that board sucks!

AGP 2x WILL NOT work

AGP 4x cards will work if they have 3 notches

AGP 8x cards will work if they have 3 notches

http://support.intel.com/support/motherboards/desktop/d...

http://support.intel.com/support/motherboards/desktop/s...


The 9800 will work

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

The 6600GT actually won't because of the notch.


Actually, all 8x cards will work, even those with 1 voltage key (2 notches including the one for the lock).

The key is 1.5v, and used for both 0.8v and 1.5v cards. That's why all 8x cards are 4x/AGP2.0 compliant.

The only cards that won't work are 2x.
February 27, 2006 4:41:05 AM

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heres what ATI SAID TO ME GUYS.. 3AM FEB 22ND,,,,,,We have responded to your issue.

Solution: Yes, the 9000 will work on your motherobard. It will work.

An universal video card can work arcross AGP 2x, 4x, 8x which is exactly what all our Radeon 9000 products are capable of.

THANKS


LISTEN VERY CAREFULLY! ALL AGP CARDS INTRODUCED WITHIN THE LAST 6 YEARS WILL WORK IN YOUR BOARD.

Everyone is getting too technical here. Basically, any card with the 1.5v key will work in your board. This includes 2x/4x cards, 2x/4x/8x cards, and 4x/8x cards. All 8x cards also support 4x, and a few support 2x as well.

The only cards that won't work are from the 20th century, ie, the last millenia.

The 9800 Pro will work. The X800XT AGP will even work. Oh, and that new 6800GS AGP will also work. How much card do you want? How much card can you afford!
February 27, 2006 4:42:24 AM

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Yes this is true for both ATI and nVidia cards as long as they will physically fit.

Obviously the ones without 3 notches will not fit. So make sure you visually check the cards prior to ordering.

Good Luck! :D 


the 8x cards with 2 notches also fit. He has the 1.5v key. 8x cards use the 1.5v key. All 8x cards are 4x compliant.

The only cards that won't fit are old 2x (non 4x) cards from the 1990's.
February 27, 2006 4:45:27 AM

The Intel docs and pictures were confusing.

Any universal AGP card should indeed work.
February 27, 2006 7:28:30 AM

Yes yes, both the AGP Universal (4x/2x, 8x/4x/2x) and AGP 8x cards (8x/4x) work in 4x boards.
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