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Who will win this round of the console war?

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February 16, 2006 11:08:48 PM

I'm posting this topic in this catagory because I want to discuss the hardware and not the games for them. so...

Who do you think has (or will have) the best hardware/performance and who do you think will win this round of the console war:

Microsoft's XBOX 360,
Sony's Playstation 3, or
Nintendo's Revolution

Sound off! Fanboys welcome here as long as they remain objective.
February 16, 2006 11:31:22 PM

ps3 best graphics and rpg's(japan loves da fantasy genre)xbox will have the best action games(cause america and britian love da action genre)and the revolution will have family games and mario(who doesnt love a plumber :D  )and it will be the budget consloe that could. just my thoughts
February 16, 2006 11:51:42 PM

Ignoring games, PS3 will have the best hardware. Their paper specs are out of this world. With games, its hard to tell. It depends on how long it takes programmers to really understand the cell processor's capabilities.

I think Microsoft released XBOX360 too early, and it will hurt them. XBOX wasn't tapped out yet, and they are a bit ahead of PS3, which allows all the XBOX hype to die down before PS3 debuts.

I think Sony will win again, XBOX360 will gain market share (except in Japan where sales absolutely suck), and Nintendo will become a niche system.
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February 17, 2006 12:00:53 AM

Yes let's look at the not so impressive GPU specs, okay?
February 17, 2006 12:20:43 AM

The PS3 is supposed to have 2x the processing power of the Xbox 360. I think the 360 is rated at 1 teraflop and the PS3 (on paper) is at 2 TFs.

Also its going to use the new Cell processor, but I don't know how good that is supposed to be.
Probably be less power hungry than the 360 though - 360 is supposed to munch 250W.

Playstation's always won because they actually have good games. Really, the only reason I got my Xbox (regular) was Halo, Halo 2, and Knights of the Old Republic.
February 17, 2006 12:45:44 AM

A lot of that power is in the GPU.
February 17, 2006 1:05:29 AM

I think the teraflop calculations don't include the GPU, they are a measure of the processor only.

Eitehr way, its irrelevent, as they are the same for the XBOX360, so twice as much is twice as much.
February 17, 2006 1:06:13 AM

Which do YOU think will be the best?
February 17, 2006 1:11:46 AM

Hardware wise, I'll say the PS3. My friend has an Xbox360, and it's nothing special. The Revolution could be interesting for their game style, and console design; no testosterone filled powertrip here.
February 17, 2006 1:23:08 AM

I think the Revolution will be a great party system. I am thinking about buying one just for that.

None of them are worth a damn if you don't have HD.
February 17, 2006 1:24:08 AM

I'll pick up the Revolution because it'll be very cheap, and I'll probably snag a PS3 if it's actually available.
February 17, 2006 1:43:43 AM

Anybody know the latest news on when the PS3 is due for release?
February 17, 2006 1:45:52 AM

I think they're supposed to Announce it at the GDC in March
February 17, 2006 1:53:52 AM

Last I saw, they were targeting Oct/Nov as the release. But that was a rumor.
February 17, 2006 4:42:59 AM

Personally I think the PS3 will be the most powerful of the three thanks to is cell processor and physics engine. However, the XBOX 360 will probably have the lead for quite a while since it came out first. Sony had that advantage with it's Playstation 2 and even until now there's no catching up to them (as far as the PS2 is concerned). I think this time Nintendo might make a lagrer impact than they did with the Gamecube if they go through with their plans to make all their games from the NES to the N64 downloadable and playable on the revolution. That would be awesome!

I hope the PS3 comes out this spring as planned. I'm planning to camp out when it does. Anyone else planning to do the same?
February 17, 2006 5:09:35 AM

For PS2, I pre bought it (Paid the whole thing off up front), walked in with no line, walked out, went home, and played. I know I won't get away with that again, if I buy it at launch.
February 17, 2006 5:21:52 AM

of course... there's always E-Bay (gotta sell the house first though).. haha!
February 17, 2006 1:56:16 PM

True,

I have never been, nor will I ever be, that desperate for a game machine.

FYI, for the money people were paying on E-bay, they could have flown to Tokyo and bought one of the thousands sitting on the shelves. :lol: 
February 17, 2006 2:28:05 PM

Check out the article below. Developers say the 360 and PS3 are pretty much on par. PS3 looks superior on paper, it will come down to the developers.

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060212-6162.html

As EA continues to pump out sequel after sequel each year, their games suck compared to a game that's been developed for much longer than that. NFS Underground was a great game and only got worse with time. NFS MW is fun as hell but a pile of crap compared to a well developed came like PGR3.
February 17, 2006 2:37:55 PM

Im waiting for PS3. 8 core cell processor sounds really good to me. With Nvidias graphics for eye-candy. Have you seen some of the real time rendering the PS3 can do. Like Killzone and Friday Night Fight boxing. It looks awesome, as if it's running on dual core with sli. It will blow XBox 360 out of the water, well granted the 360 is older. But the increase from the PS2 is so significant. I don't know much of the Revolution.

The only reason Im buying the PS3 is my old favorite Gran Turismo. :D 
February 17, 2006 3:03:12 PM

From what I have heard, around the Futuremark forums and other places. PS3's RSX is just a 7800GTX on 90nm. The Xbox 360's ATI GPU is as good/better as a x1900 XTX...so...which beats the 7800gtx.. And the cell is not 8 *true* cores. Its 1 fully functional core with 7 little cores which cant do much.
February 17, 2006 3:18:04 PM

The physics engine... is the PS3 for certain going to contain that fancy physics chip or is that part still up in the air?
February 17, 2006 3:34:43 PM

We are over looking one small factor. How long has sony been in the gaming/entertainment business (games, consoles and such)? How long has Microsoft been in the same business. I know they are competiting directly but Sony has a few iterations on Micrsoft, not to mention thier entire business is based around designing electronics.

I'm not saying Microsoft doesn't try and design electronics also, but thier core competency has been Operating systems and software for a long time. The Xbox 360, as well as the Xbox, are designed to craft a reputation and build up a base market. The long term goal with the Xbox line is to create an all in one entertainment system that fully itegrates with periphrials and Windows PC's.

Last time I checked that wasn't Sony's overall goal, though they are starting to steer in that direction. Microsoft has more of a long term goal with the Xbox line than to just overpower Sony. Sony makes a good console but I was never comfratable with the controller, it was too small for me. Each console has its strengths and weakness, I mean who can compare with Halo (lets not argue that here).

Trying to determine a winner is damned near impossible, because even with the superior hardware if no programmer cant utilize it because its so complex then you've wasted your time and effort.
February 17, 2006 3:51:58 PM

Quote:
I'm posting this topic in this catagory because I want to discuss the hardware and not the games for them. so...

Who do you think has (or will have) the best hardware/performance and who do you think will win this round of the console war:

Microsoft's XBOX 360,
Sony's Playstation 3, or
Nintendo's Revolution

Sound off! Fanboys welcome here as long as they remain objective.


OK, But how can you discuss hardware for these three systems when only one of them has been released?
February 17, 2006 4:12:32 PM

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From what I have heard, around the Futuremark forums and other places. PS3's RSX is just a 7800GTX on 90nm. The Xbox 360's ATI GPU is as good/better as a x1900 XTX...so...which beats the 7800gtx.. And the cell is not 8 *true* cores. Its 1 fully functional core with 7 little cores which cant do much.


I am pretty sure it is 9 cores, based on 1 Main Core and 8 smaller ones.

As far as graphics, I can't say specifically which cards are equivalent, but I have been more impressed with what I have seen from PS3 than XBOX360 so far. I think that one of the functions of the smaller cells is that they can handle additional graphics processing. I am not too sure on that though.
February 17, 2006 4:42:58 PM

I do not know what console will be best. I will by the new nintendo system, why? You can download and play almost( it says that for now) game that has ever been put out for any nintendo console! Thats freaking great! And it is backwards able with the gamecube. So I wont have to throw the games I have away. Mario Kart SNES here I come!!!
February 17, 2006 4:43:44 PM

Most of the screenshots + videos you have seen are pre rendered to some degree. Say I if you honestly think the RSX(7800 GTX on 90nm) can handle two 1080p Streams of the quality you have seen for the PS3.
February 17, 2006 5:20:36 PM

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From what I have heard, around the Futuremark forums and other places. PS3's RSX is just a 7800GTX on 90nm. The Xbox 360's ATI GPU is as good/better as a x1900 XTX...so...which beats the 7800gtx.. And the cell is not 8 *true* cores. Its 1 fully functional core with 7 little cores which cant do much.


I am pretty sure it is 9 cores, based on 1 Main Core and 8 smaller ones.

As far as graphics, I can't say specifically which cards are equivalent, but I have been more impressed with what I have seen from PS3 than XBOX360 so far. I think that one of the functions of the smaller cells is that they can handle additional graphics processing. I am not too sure on that though.

It can actually have up to 8 vector processing units. Which is pretty interesting and that is why it has a bigger TF count. Its basically 8 RISC CPUs, which are going up against the 360's 3 Power processors. Each unit is touted to be 32GFlops of power when run at 4Ghz. The main core, is supposed to be a PowerPC core which will manage the others. So the Cell processor is probably about 256-300GFlops of power, meaning the rest of the system gives it the 2TF I posted earlier about (most of that is probably graphics card - whatever RSX is)
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/614/614682p1.html

So on paper, I'd have to say PS3 is more powerful.... BUT games make the console, so its really hard to say which will win.
February 17, 2006 5:20:51 PM

I understand about pre-rendered, however, most of what I have seen for XBOX360 has been pre-rendered as well, since I have seen veryu little of the actual system since release. I am trying to make as close as a comparison as I can.

I don't think that the PS3s RSX can or will handle that quality on two 1080p Streams, but I don't think it will be needed either. very few people will be using 2 monitors, and i for one will be limited to 1080i on a single TV anyway.
February 17, 2006 5:37:39 PM

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So on paper, I'd have to say PS3 is more powerful.... BUT games make the console, so its really hard to say which will win.


Absolutely, thats why someone with too much money and no wife to complain about it can make a strong argument for buying both. :) 

I remember way back when, the only reason I bought a PS1 was because of Final Fantasy VII (One of the best console games EVER).

Both systems have great games lines that make them worth it. I will probably by PS3 becuase I love the Metal Gear Series.
February 17, 2006 6:01:03 PM

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From what I have heard, around the Futuremark forums and other places. PS3's RSX is just a 7800GTX on 90nm. The Xbox 360's ATI GPU is as good/better as a x1900 XTX...so...which beats the 7800gtx.. And the cell is not 8 *true* cores. Its 1 fully functional core with 7 little cores which cant do much.

You heard wrong. The Xbox360 GPU is not the X1900 XTX. If you take a look on Microsoft's website, they state "The Xbox360's GPU is capable of 48 billion shader operations per second." Well ATI's site says that the X850 XT can do "43 billion shader operations", making it impossible for 360 to have an X1900.
Also, the "RSX" will be more powerful than the Xbox360 GPU; however it's still not an amazing chip.
February 17, 2006 7:29:54 PM

Xbox 360s Xenos GPU is called the r500. ATIs upcoming r600 will be a combination of the R580 and r500. Basicly put the r580 is the *Xenos* without the shaders unified and some other features not in there. The Xenos has more power then a 7800GTX which is the RSX
February 17, 2006 10:35:16 PM

I'm taking the Revolution, only console that I can sit next to and not worry about noise or heat exhaustion.
February 18, 2006 4:27:45 AM

There is a TON of talk about how good the PS3 is suppose to be on paper, but therein lies the catch, it is only on paper. Reading arstechnica and other sites Sony has not even shown a model of it yet. all the screenshots you see were rendered on a computer. Paper specs mean nothing, I remember people touting how much better the speaks of the xbox on paper were suppose to be on PS3, it is the actual gameplay and intergration. At this point it is 360 1 PS3 nothing because I have played a 360 and I love it. I have not played the PS3 so I really cannot have an opinion about whether or not it is better than the 360 or not.
February 18, 2006 5:55:58 PM

48 Billion shader operations per second can't touch a 7800 GTX.
February 23, 2006 5:18:36 PM

I guess now it looks like the PS3 is being delayed. By the time it comes out wil it be obsolete?
February 23, 2006 10:59:47 PM

Unless Sony makes major hardware revisions (I doubt that), it'll be obsolete the day it comes out.
February 23, 2006 11:03:53 PM

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Unless Sony makes major hardware revisions (I doubt that), it'll be obsolete the day it comes out.


When compared to a high end PC, all consoles are obselete at debut.
March 2, 2006 11:41:22 PM

Here's an update I heard. I talked to a store manager recently, and he said his Sony rep said it could be LATE 2007 before we see PS3. If so, that will make it junk before it debuts without a redesign.
March 2, 2006 11:44:36 PM

Ouch!! They should call it PS3RC2.. haha :lol: 
March 3, 2006 12:28:25 AM

I hope for our sake they update it if thats the case. It sounds like they are having trouble with the Blu-ray equipment from what I hear.
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