32nm, 10'000 ft questions

[GREGORY]

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Remember that STAR into KOAK with the 32mile leg at 10'000?
Is it permissible to run it at 10'100 or 10'500 ft. and 310kts?
That's above the 10k altitude for 250kts speed limit.. correct?

While on the subject.. how to apply the 10'000 ft. speed limit of
250 kts for airfields at altitude? Is it 10k ASL or AGL? Seems
a trivial question but important for correct Sim.


-Gregory

 

[Bob]

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Gregory wrote:

> Remember that STAR into KOAK with the 32mile leg at 10'000?
> Is it permissible to run it at 10'100 or 10'500 ft. and 310kts?
> That's above the 10k altitude for 250kts speed limit.. correct?
>
> While on the subject.. how to apply the 10'000 ft. speed limit of
> 250 kts for airfields at altitude? Is it 10k ASL or AGL? Seems
> a trivial question but important for correct Sim.
>
>
> -Gregory
>

The AIM indicates the following.


http://www.faa.gov/atpubs/ATC/Chp5/atc0507.html

NOTE-
1. A pilot operating at or above 10,000 feet MSL on an assigned speed
adjustment greater than 250 knots is expected to comply with 14 CFR
Section 91.117(a) when cleared below 10,000 feet MSL, within domestic
airspace, without notifying ATC. Pilots are expected to comply with the
other provisions of 14 CFR
Section 91.117 without notification.

And doing a google on

14 CFR Section 91.117

you will find many more references.

--

boB,
Master_Caution_70

U.S. Army Aviation (retired)
Central Texas - 5NM West of Gray Army Airfield (KGRK)

 

[GREGORY]

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On Wed, 04 May 2005 01:09:55 GMT, boB <akitaREMOVECAPS77@excite.Icom>
brought the following to our attention:

>Gregory wrote:
>
>> Remember that STAR into KOAK with the 32mile leg at 10'000?
>> Is it permissible to run it at 10'100 or 10'500 ft. and 310kts?
>> That's above the 10k altitude for 250kts speed limit.. correct?
>>
>> While on the subject.. how to apply the 10'000 ft. speed limit of
>> 250 kts for airfields at altitude? Is it 10k ASL or AGL? Seems
>> a trivial question but important for correct Sim.
>>
>>
>> -Gregory
>>
>
>The AIM indicates the following.
>
>
>http://www.faa.gov/atpubs/ATC/Chp5/atc0507.html
>
>NOTE-
>1. A pilot operating at or above 10,000 feet MSL on an assigned speed
>adjustment greater than 250 knots is expected to comply with 14 CFR
>Section 91.117(a) when cleared below 10,000 feet MSL, within domestic
>airspace, without notifying ATC. Pilots are expected to comply with the
>other provisions of 14 CFR
>Section 91.117 without notification.
>
>And doing a google on
>
>14 CFR Section 91.117
>
>you will find many more references.

Lots to read over.. here's a clip that's comprehensible;

If it is necessary to level off at an intermediate altitude
during climb or descent, advise ATC, except when levelling
off at 10,000 feet MSL on descent, or 2,500 feet above
airport elevation (prior to entering a Class C or Class D
surface area), when required for speed reduction.


So then it's understood 10,000 MSL or 2,500 ft AAE.. and also one
must pay attention to the Class type regions (airspace)?.. as in the
blue hatched areas displayed on FSNav. Take El Paso for instance
which is EL ~4,000 ft.. I just want to know when to slow down.. and
mostly wanted to descend into and run that Oakland approach
segment and a good clip!! yep in the Boeing jetliner. Fun isn't it


-Gregory

 

[Bob]

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Gregory wrote:

>
> Lots to read over.. here's a clip that's comprehensible;
>
> If it is necessary to level off at an intermediate altitude
> during climb or descent, advise ATC, except when levelling
> off at 10,000 feet MSL on descent, or 2,500 feet above
> airport elevation (prior to entering a Class C or Class D
> surface area), when required for speed reduction.
>
>
> So then it's understood 10,000 MSL or 2,500 ft AAE.. and also one
> must pay attention to the Class type regions (airspace)?.. as in the
> blue hatched areas displayed on FSNav. Take El Paso for instance
> which is EL ~4,000 ft.. I just want to know when to slow down.. and
> mostly wanted to descend into and run that Oakland approach
> segment and a good clip!! yep in the Boeing jetliner. Fun isn't it
>
>
> -Gregory
>

This is why I prefer helicopters. Don't have to worry about that.

--

boB,
Master_Caution_70

U.S. Army Aviation (retired)
Central Texas - 5NM West of Gray Army Airfield (KGRK)

 

[Roger]

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On Wed, 04 May 2005 04:23:30 GMT, boB <akitaREMOVECAPS77@excite.Icom>
wrote:

>Gregory wrote:
>
>>
>> Lots to read over.. here's a clip that's comprehensible;
>>
>> If it is necessary to level off at an intermediate altitude
>> during climb or descent, advise ATC, except when levelling
>> off at 10,000 feet MSL on descent, or 2,500 feet above
>> airport elevation (prior to entering a Class C or Class D
>> surface area), when required for speed reduction.
>>
>>
>> So then it's understood 10,000 MSL or 2,500 ft AAE.. and also one
>> must pay attention to the Class type regions (airspace)?.. as in the
>> blue hatched areas displayed on FSNav. Take El Paso for instance
>> which is EL ~4,000 ft.. I just want to know when to slow down.. and
>> mostly wanted to descend into and run that Oakland approach
>> segment and a good clip!! yep in the Boeing jetliner. Fun isn't it

You should find yourself IRL in a small plane coming down the ILS when
the tower asks you to keep the speed up as you have a DC-9 coming up
behind. <)

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com
>>
>>
>> -Gregory
>>
>
>This is why I prefer helicopters. Don't have to worry about that.

 

[GREGORY]

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On Wed, 04 May 2005 22:49:29 -0400, Roger
<Delete-Invallid.stuff.groups@tm.net> brought the following:

>On Wed, 04 May 2005 04:23:30 GMT, boB wrote:
>
>>Gregory wrote:
>>
>>> Lots to read over.. here's a clip that's comprehensible;
>>>
>>> If it is necessary to level off at an intermediate altitude
>>> during climb or descent, advise ATC, except when levelling
>>> off at 10,000 feet MSL on descent, or 2,500 feet above
>>> airport elevation (prior to entering a Class C or Class D
>>> surface area), when required for speed reduction.
>>>
>>> So then it's understood 10,000 MSL or 2,500 ft AAE.. and also one
>>> must pay attention to the Class type regions (airspace)?.. as in the
>>> blue hatched areas displayed on FSNav. Take El Paso for instance
>>> which is EL ~4,000 ft.. I just want to know when to slow down.. and
>>> mostly wanted to descend into and run that Oakland approach
>>> segment AT a good clip!! yep in the Boeing jetliner. Fun isn't it
>
>You should find yourself IRL in a small plane coming down the ILS when
>the tower asks you to keep the speed up as you have a DC-9 coming up
>behind. <)
>

Roger.. the 4y/o nephew is here tonight and he says the small planes
are `putt-putts'.. now who taught him to say that? :]

The last sentence above should read `at a good clip'. Was descending
at ~335kts and levelled off at 10,000 ft .. then manually throttled UP
and she settled around 307kts for the next 25 - 30nm.

We run the Sim with sound turned up medium-loud.. with sub-bass unit.


-Gregory