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February 22, 2006 9:06:03 PM

i read in places that if you over clock an opty it is better than fx 60 at stock...now by better is it saying better speeds or better overall performance

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February 22, 2006 9:09:05 PM

Well, that is true. I haven't had a chance to OC mine yet but i'm sure that is the case.

BTW - thought you had an intel machine?
February 22, 2006 9:11:36 PM

am getting one....god knows when
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February 22, 2006 9:12:58 PM

Well, I wouldn't bother if you've got an Opteron system now. OC that puppy and enjoy it.
February 22, 2006 9:37:44 PM

not right now...maybe when conroe hits im thinking of changing my mobo to an a8n32 but idk if asus oc's good
February 22, 2006 9:38:51 PM

So, what are you using right now? Your signature says your using basically the same thing as my new rig.
February 22, 2006 9:44:47 PM

really. lol. well thats my main components i have a friend wholl pay me 150 more if i sell it to him so im considering to do that in a week or so
February 22, 2006 10:01:54 PM

Oh kewl. I have an Intel 233Mhz machine equipped with a whopping 32 megs of RAM that I'll see ya for 200 more! :wink:
February 23, 2006 12:39:45 AM

Out of curiosity...why the 165 and not the 170 or 175? Do the 165's OC better??
February 23, 2006 1:21:48 AM

I dont know why you'd ditch that rig in your sig....

Seems to me you could get alteast 1-2 comfortable years of gaming out of it. Espically with that opty at 2.6-2.7ghz
February 23, 2006 1:28:00 AM

yeah and even then the only change really would be a video card
February 23, 2006 1:50:58 AM

i have a 170 @ 2.6 and it is exactly the same as an FX-60 @ stock
February 23, 2006 2:07:50 AM

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Out of curiosity...why the 165 and not the 170 or 175? Do the 165's OC better??

well, when you start printing money, you can go out and buy a 170. makes sense huh? for some reason people buy the cheaper processors :roll:
February 23, 2006 2:20:21 AM

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i have a 170 @ 2.6 and it is exactly the same as an FX-60 @ stock


No, you run a higher bus speed @ 289mhz, outperforming the slow 200mhz of the FX60.
Also, if you overclock an FX60 you are looking at 3.0ghz+ on air cooling, so I wouldn't throw that into the equation.
February 23, 2006 2:22:23 AM

its a 170 means that the multi is 10 so my FSB is 260
February 23, 2006 2:36:06 AM

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its a 170 means that the multi is 10 so my FSB is 260


Oh, I misread. I'm used to the pain-in-the-ass multiplier of the 165.
February 23, 2006 9:26:24 AM

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Out of curiosity...why the 165 and not the 170 or 175? Do the 165's OC better??

well, when you start printing money, you can go out and buy a 170. makes sense huh? for some reason people buy the cheaper processors :roll:

I'm sorry your press is broken and you have to settle.

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So the question a little clearer:

You have an Opti 165 and a 175 on your bench -- YOU aren't spending a dime...
You plug them in, WC them so they stay happy, and then OC the sh*t out of them.

Which one performs better?
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February 23, 2006 10:50:26 AM

If you can get the dual core Opty 165 OC'd to 2.6G, it will offer performance identical to an FX-60 worth about $1000....(the FX series has unlocked multipliers, going lower OR higher, but I personally don;'t consider that feature worthy of $600 more!)

If you can get above 2.6, then anything else is just a bonus, as there is no 2.8 dually available yet, and likely there never will be with socket 939...(if you get to 2.8, this essentially be like owning dual Fx57's, worth $800 each?) :-)
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February 23, 2006 10:55:40 AM

"Out of curiosity...why the 165 and not the 170 or 175? Do the 165's OC better??"

The basic theory is that all or most duall core Optys will run out of steam around 2.5-2.6G, so, why pay $100 or $250 for a higher starting point only to run out of headroom at roughly the same 2.5-2.6G freq anyway...

(may as well start with the least expensive model, as all money saved is ...good)
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February 23, 2006 11:02:33 AM

On a slightly different note...

If playing fps games at a decently high resoution ( a reasonable assumption considering your "SLI with 6800GS x2" moniker in your sig?), the extra 200-300 MHz does very little for more fps anyway, as the gpu(s) are still the bottleneck at high res...

Sell off both 6800GS cards for $190 each, save anotehr $50, and get a single 1900XT for a much larger gaming fps boost at high res than an extra 400 or even 600 Mhz would ever get ya!
February 23, 2006 11:04:15 AM

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"Out of curiosity...why the 165 and not the 170 or 175? Do the 165's OC better??"

The basic theory is that all or most duall core Optys will run out of steam around 2.5-2.6G, so, why pay $100 or $250 for a higher starting point only to run out of headroom at roughly the same 2.5-2.6G freq anyway...

(may as well start with the least expensive model, as all money saved is ...good)


Not true, a lot of 170's (NOT 175'S!) will hit 3.0ghz on air cooling. Also, you get a multiplier that is easier to work with the higher you go.
February 23, 2006 11:10:49 AM

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The basic theory is that all or most duall core Optys will run out of steam around 2.5-2.6G, so, why pay $100 or $250 for a higher starting point only to run out of headroom at roughly the same 2.5-2.6G freq anyway...(may as well start with the least expensive model, as all money saved is ...good)


Thanks - This is the type of answer I was looking for...

I have learned since asking the question that the 165 has a 9x multiplier and the 170 has a 10x multiplier. Sooo...with a 300mhz front side bus/htt you get 10x300=3ghz vs 9x300=2.7ghz.

Sooo...Assuming I can actually get it to 3ghz - Is that worth the extra $140+/- ?? Or is it just not going to happen period?
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February 23, 2006 11:12:29 AM

"Which one performs better?"

Depends on where each individual cpu hits the wall; if both hit the wall at 2.6G for instance, its at least possible the 165 might outperform the 170 due to it's higher FSB and memory clocks *if* quality meory is used, depending on which ratios are used and on what memory timings are used....

At the same 2.6G or so, the differences would be quite minimal, perhaps 5-10 fps in either direction in a low res Quake3 benchmark, which is rather meaningless when at 500+ fps...

Either system (165/170) when at 2.6G with mem running above 200 Mhz DDR should outperform an FX60 running stock PC3200 ratios/timings...
February 23, 2006 11:15:17 AM

getting 3ghz will require water cooling 2.6 to 2.8 you can do on air, with the new 4 heat pipe stock cooler that ships with opterons.
February 23, 2006 11:16:20 AM

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The basic theory is that all or most duall core Optys will run out of steam around 2.5-2.6G, so, why pay $100 or $250 for a higher starting point only to run out of headroom at roughly the same 2.5-2.6G freq anyway...(may as well start with the least expensive model, as all money saved is ...good)


Thanks - This is the type of answer I was looking for...

I have learned since asking the question that the 165 has a 9x multiplier and the 170 has a 10x multiplier. Sooo...with a 300mhz front side bus/htt you get 10x300=3ghz vs 9x300=2.7ghz.

Sooo...Assuming I can actually get it to 3ghz - Is that worth the extra $140+/- ?? Or is it just not going to happen period?

YES 11111 some 170's get 3 ghz111!! look for a good stepping, and then see if you can't find that on ebay first.
February 23, 2006 11:28:21 AM

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getting 3ghz will require water cooling 2.6 to 2.8 you can do on air, with the new 4 heat pipe stock cooler that ships with opterons.


Dude - You rock.

It's going the WC'd anyway so that won't be an issue...

I know I really need to get the DFI board. I'm not questioning your suggestion or the boards integrity...

I *have* the Asus A8N32-SLI Deluxe...and it fits perfectly with the whole case mod theme I'm going for with the heatpipe and the blue/grey etc.

If I have a prayer of getting to 3ghz with this board I'd really like to keep it...If not, well, it's going on eBay like everything else!! Performance is much more important to me than looks :wink:

I *promise* I won't ask this question again.

P.S. I just ordered the OCZ600ADJSLI :D 
February 23, 2006 11:31:21 AM

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getting 3ghz will require water cooling 2.6 to 2.8 you can do on air, with the new 4 heat pipe stock cooler that ships with opterons.


Dude - You rock.

It's going the WC'd anyway so that won't be an issue...

I know I really need to get the DFI board. I'm not questioning your suggestion or the boards integrity...

I *have* the Asus A8N32-SLI Deluxe...and it fits perfectly with the whole case mod theme I'm going for with the heatpipe and the blue/grey etc.

If I have a prayer of getting to 3ghz with this board I'd really like to keep it...If not, well, it's going on eBay like everything else!! Performance is much more important to me than looks :wink:

I *promise* I won't ask this question again.

P.S. I just ordered the OCZ600ADJSLI :D 

www.dfi-street.com is your friend, they tell you the model numbers of what opterons hit 3ghz. You should go for the 170 with the 10x multiplyer and head over to dfi-street they have tons and tons of info.
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