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February 25, 2006 12:36:57 AM

i have an ATI x1900xtx and have a few questions on temps. it idles around 58c and goes as high as 72c in heavy graphics sessions. i have spent the past week trying to find out what the acceptable operating temps are for this card and if anyone would like to share their temps with me i'd appreciate it.

also, i am getting these benchmarks and see several of you with higher scores. i wonder if this is just my system. i am certain it is not the card or clocks.

3dmark5 - 9,175 (avg)
3dmark6 - 6,062 (avg)

i have been an nvidia person forever, but the color from ati cards is just phenomonal and this card is incredible beyond words and blows me away.

my system is:
xp 32 bit sp2
dual Xeon 3.6 processors
6 gigs 400 (PC2 3200) ECC ram (2mgs still sitting there from when xp 64 bit installed)
650 watt psu
2 optical drives
2 sata drives
audigy z2
x1900xtx

nothing else odd or special. it is my main production system and i try to keep it pretty vanilla.
February 25, 2006 2:05:45 AM

you are barefoot man, 6 gb of ram?

btw how much you paid for your system? mere curiosity

no many guys got 1900xt
February 25, 2006 5:13:38 AM

Well, I'm in sunny South Africa in the middle of summer.

My idle temps were 56 and above, but some creativity in my pc case got that down 52C.

In some 3d apps, I run 75C (PES5/Silent Hunter 3) and in 3d apps like FEAR/Black&White 2 I go up to 85 max -> but that's due to manual temp control via ATiTool.

I've found that 68% fan speed can keep most temps at bay - so if I set 68% at 50C I will rarely exceed 50C - but due to temp build up after prolonged playing I'm still trying to get a temp where 68% will keep the temp after long games playing. My next step will probably be trying to keep the temp at 80C and work from there onwards.
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February 25, 2006 2:02:37 PM

thanks Vokofpolisiekar. i'm in western washington state near canadian border so it is cooler here most of the time though my office is around 73F. i have tried a few things.

i put a vantec pci slot fan two slots below my ati (nothing in between them) and it only dropped 2c idling. i pulled this from an p4 extreme system and it cools the nvidia card much better.

my case cooling overall is not so great even though i have plenty of fans. if i open the side door about 2 inches, my cpu's and case temps drop about 5c but not the graphics card. but leaving it open is not an option.

i found this on the internet this am, an Artic Accelero X2, and for $35 i might give it a try. http://www.arctic-cooling.com/vga2.php?idx=90 has anyone used this yet?
February 25, 2006 2:13:31 PM

If I was staying in the USA, I'd play around with aftermarktet coolers, but we pay up to $1000.00 for a XTX and about $850.00 for a XT. So we rely heavily on our warantees... So, improvise I must :D 

I'm using a Cooler Master Centurion case. The whole front side is made of some sort of mesh that lets air come in, and right at the bottom I'm using a 80mm fan to suck air in, and just behind it (after the HDD frame with the HDD way to the top) I have a 120mm fan to superimpose the small amount being sucked in. The 120mm aligns just with my XTX, and thus it has cool air directly. Both fans are low RPM - so noise is okay thanx to the case being solid. If it was a open cooler like the X1800XL, I would've used my Vantec VGA cooler - but it won't help much, so try turning it vertical and towards your card just after the HDD frame (if you have space). It will basically act the same way as my 120/80mm setup but won't be as neat (I tried it myself) :D 
February 25, 2006 9:35:51 PM

thanks for the input.

the aftermarket cooler looks good to try but i really hate to mess with the card itself because of the warranty and cost. (if not broken don't fix mindset)

for now i think i will just try a few things to cool my system overall and your suggestion.

take care
February 25, 2006 10:00:53 PM

with my normal x1900xt i get a higher score on 3d mark 05 , but u beat me on 3dmark06

lol i get 10k and 5k. Wonder why that is

Your temps seem pretty much similar to mine when idle. Dunno about when under load, ill check later.
February 25, 2006 10:20:41 PM

yes courtney4, i saw this also. my 1900xtx does well stock on 3dmark06 but is fairly slovenly on mark05.

i planned to get the xt and overclock and use the extra cash for groceries, but received the xtx in error at no additional charge.

back to the original subject, there is no hardware or logical info i can see to account for the mark05/06 differences in our cards. i'm just curious of course.
February 26, 2006 4:02:00 AM

Another person that got the XTX instead of the XT - That's the beauty of some shops that sell - they rarely know which is which :D 
February 27, 2006 12:21:09 AM

Because he has two physical processors, you probably only have one.
February 27, 2006 12:40:32 AM

hey you,

i have 2 cpu's also. the odd difference, to me, is how come 3dmark06 scores higher on x1900xtx versus the x1900xt. i mean theoritically they should be the same or super close if clocks are same (xt oc'd to xtx).

not an issue for me but more of that nagging question: "why?"

Dual Xeon 3.6 GHz CPU's (HT)
6 GB PC3200 RAM
2 SATAII WD 320 Hard Drives
2 Optical Drives
Audigy ZS
February 27, 2006 12:46:07 AM

sapphire x1900xtx stock speeds 650 core 775 mem

3dmark05 11.4k
3dmark06 6.1k

latest omega drivers 6.2

oced core 725 mem 820

3dmark05 12.2k
3dmark06 6.8k
March 16, 2006 10:42:26 PM

Hi Vokofpolisiekar

Long time no see. I just wanted to say thanks for the fan tips. I ended up getting one of the vantec tornados at something like 119 cfm and a fan controller. i got my case temps way down and my xtx idles at a pleasant 47C and never goes past the high 50's.

this is with fan on a very reasonable low-medium - with just enough noise to keep folks at bay and not trying to engage me in senseless conversation :D 

kritter
March 17, 2006 3:13:55 PM

I just installed a 1900xtx this week and am also concerned about the heat. It idles in the 43-46 range, but under load it is hitting low to mid-80s. (Surprisingly, the "hottest" game I have seen is Civ4--85 when I alt tab out. It runs in the low 80s on FEAR, BFMEII and 3DMark06, though Doom3 runs at a relatively cool low 70s. How worried should I be over these temps, and what can I do to alleviate this? BTW, the room is relatively cool ATM, I am apprehensive what a NYC area summer will do to temps in my non-air conditioned room, though I had no problems last summer with a 6800GT.

For various reasons, I do not want to put an aftermarket cooler on the card unless absolutely necessary. As recommended by some here, I DLed ATITool to increase the fan on the card, but could not seem to access such controls--some tools worked, but others (like temperature monitoring) were greyed out. It also indicated that my GPU type was "unknown". I know ATITool does not fully support the 1900 series ATM--anything I can do to get fan control working? And/or, given my relatively low level of computer expertise, would it be reasonably simple to install a larger fan on the side of the case and would that help? I have an Alienware system with a small fan on the case side near the vgraphics card.

BTW, I've scored 4700+ and 4900+ on 3DMarks06, with a P4 3.6, 2gb DDR2 RAM. Is that about right? I know the CPU holds down the score quite a bit compared to many AMD results.
March 17, 2006 3:53:32 PM

could be an amd/p4/xeon diff and not the card at all... not sure though.

my scores similar to other x1900xt above:

'05: 10.5k
'06: 5.5k

so b/c mine is dual core x2 it may perf. diff. than your dual xeon? Not sure why that would flop the lead b/t the two benchmarks though... weird. I know that you should have better in '06 like you do cause that uses more HDR and sm3.0 but in '05 it still should at least be the same... who knows... Doesnt really matter though cause it is only synthetic and not a real app...

oh, and my temps are about the same if i remember... not at my rig right now though so cant confirm but i remember it being similar to others on here.
March 17, 2006 5:47:11 PM

Yup, temps are a bother, mine went up to 70+ degrees when clocked at 700mhz after a bit of battle for middle earth 2, regardless of all the air cooling im using and the ATI fan speed being at 68%.

You might find this handy, I sure did:
http://www.driverheaven.net/showthread.php?t=101555

Someone replaced the stock thermal paste with arctic silver 5 which reduced GPU temp by 8 degrees. I have some on order.
March 17, 2006 6:07:09 PM

ok then. i just happen to have some artic silver 5, lol, and will apply it to both the x1900xtx's - mine and my husbands. thanks for the link. it will be a constructive thing to do this weekend. :p 
March 18, 2006 6:26:37 PM

I added my arctic silver, the idle speed has dropped slightly to 36. Not ran anything intensive yet, but will do soon.

I can confirm I deffinately have samsung 1.1ns ram rated to operate at 1800mhz (BJ11), but I cant get it higher then 1.7ghz without image corruption after a while probably due to temps (not artifacts).
March 18, 2006 6:28:04 PM

You should get ATiTool 0.25 beta 14 for your X1900XT(X) - I think beta 13 might also help but 14 is the latest - get it from Softpedia or Guru3d.com. Then you can adjust your fan speeds etc.

Hope this helps.
March 18, 2006 8:19:48 PM

Overclocker works fine. I use ATI tool to set voltages and fan speeds, then use overclocker to increase the speeds. I'll give the latest one a try, but so far, only overclocker lets me run stable at 702mhz on the GPU.

Nope, im currently using beta 14 and it doesnt work for overclocking.

http://i4memory.com/showthread.php?t=1865

Just check this guide. Same applies to the X1900, except you have to change the speeds in 3d mode.
March 20, 2006 10:54:48 AM

This is so stuupid, seems that my card is not dooing much more OC, i got like a 100 more for my score on 3dmark2006 and I havent tested 2005 yet :/ .

I need some tips on OC the XTX can someone help. Bhavv gave some memory voltages settings but it was to no avail :(  .

Any one know of a site or onything that shows what voltages and core speed can be reached for the xtx.


TA
March 20, 2006 12:55:31 PM

Yup

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=87...

I still cant get anything higher then 702/846. :cry:  Some lucky people manage to get their ram all the way to 900mhz.

I wish someone had made pre overclocked X1900XTX cards wit the ram at faster speeds, like some nvidia brands which have it running at 1760mhz.

I actually think that If the ram doesnt reach near to its rated speeds, it is actually a dodgy sample, but as long as it runs @ stock speeds theres nothing you can do
March 20, 2006 2:07:40 PM

How do you guys think a 1900xt will hold up in my case with the following set up:
1 fan in the front of the case (in an open bay where floppy drive normally goes) pulling air in
2 fans in the back of the case blowing the air out
1 fan on the side of the case blowing cool air almost directly at the video card
1 fan on the bottom of the case blowing UP onto the video card

They're all 80mm. Any suggestions as to changing the configuration of them would be appreciated. :D 

-Ryu
March 20, 2006 2:09:04 PM

What exactly are you asking? It will run fine. In terms of overclocking, it should reach 700/1600.
March 20, 2006 2:10:35 PM

lol Sorry, forgot to mention in terms of temperature. I want to keep it as cool as possible with the stock cooler and being on air.

-Ryu
March 20, 2006 2:13:29 PM

Well, all gfx cards should run at stock speeds without requiring any extra cooling so you should be fine. Im running with a 14cm intake fan, 12cm exhaust, 2 side 12cm fans and a powercolour heatbuster. Befor changing the thermal paste to arctic silver 5, it used to reach over 70 C. Now it peaks at 68 C @ 700mhz with the fan at a lower speed too.
March 20, 2006 2:16:12 PM

Quote:
Well, all gfx cards should run at stock speeds without requiring any extra cooling so you should be fine. Im running with a 14cm intake fan, 12cm exhaust, 2 side 12cm fans and a powercolour heatbuster. Befor changing the thermal paste to arctic silver 5, it used to reach over 70 C. Now it peaks at 68 C @ 700mhz with the fan at a lower speed too.

With my set up and the fan at ~60%, one would assume I could leave the case side on, correct?

I'd like to see a 700/1600 stable.

-Ryu
March 21, 2006 9:43:23 PM

that fan setup looks fine, but you will need ATItool for the fan speeds as ATI doesnt seem to worry to much abt it.

Just get ATItool and all your probs will be solved, it worked for me :D 
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