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Hi. I was running a test and i found there was a level 3 cache. Normaly, like CPU-Z and other softwares detect only 2 cache. Whats wrong? Here a screenshot.

http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/7550/lvl3cache2yo.png

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I've seen that too with the latency test that comes with CPU-z... Obviously it doesn't mean you have three levels of cache. All it's doing is seeing the L2 cache jump from 19 to 40 cycles latency once above 256k test size, so the program assumes it is another level of cache.

Now the question, is why would your L2 show an increasing latency? Donno the answer to that... maybe some other program interfered with the test and created an erroneous result.

Reply to Scout

I done the test like 10 times.

Reply to maypep_necro
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I know, and every time it detects a greater latency, the program assumes it is seeing another level of cache cause cache should perform the same till you get beyond the size of the cache. The question is why does the cache latency increase above 256k? Donno the answer to that...

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Now the question, is why would your L2 show an increasing latency? Donno the answer to that... maybe some other program interfered with the test and created an erroneous result.



I believe the question to that answer is pipelining. It's very easy to fit <512KB of data into the cache (which is 512KB) without having to refer to system RAM more than once. If you'll notice, his latency takes a huge jump when going from 512KB to 1024KB. The processor has to request the data from ram twice (however many cycles that is I dunno) to fit it in the L2 cache. Why the latency remains relatively equal with 32MB of data, I have no clue. According to my logic latency should increase exponentially with an exponential increase to data size. So maybe I'm wrong.

I think that's the answer. Does that make any sense?

-mpjesse

Reply to mpjesse

i don't know anything about your problem, but i have to say i'm impressed that you started a serious thread, i was all ready to make jokes and there it was, a REAL question! 8O

maybe we have entered a new era in mayep_necro's life, keep it up.

Reply to corvetteguy

Ugh i got 256 kb for L2 cache. L1 cache (8kb) + L2 cache = 262 kb.

Maybe if it go upper than 256 it count it as a lvl 3 cache?

Or might i am totaly wrong.

Reply to maypep_necro
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OH. thought you were using the northwood version of the 2Ghz P4.

err.... did intel even make a 2Ghz northwood?

Anyways, nevermind my post then.

Reply to mpjesse

Yeah. So my CPU is.... Edited?

Reply to maypep_necro
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hell if I know. LOL. I would trust CPU-Z's cache reports more than that benchmarking program.

What does CPU-Z say?

-mpjesse

Reply to mpjesse

Woodies and Willies were both available at 1.6/1.8/2.0GHz. Odd numbers in between were all Willies, and higher numbers were initially Woodies.

Reply to Crashman
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woodies got down to 1.6ghz? wow. never knew that...

Reply to mpjesse

Oh yes, and killer overclockers they were. Celeron D 2.13GHz's are the new overclock king, going to 3.2GHz at stock voltage!

Reply to Crashman

Here CPU-Z screenshot.

http://img472.imageshack.us/img472/9933/cpuzfull4md.png

Reply to maypep_necro
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So I was right, you do have a northwood. Ur L2 cache is 512KB. CPU-Z does not report a Level 3 cache- I would put more faith in that.

-mpjesse

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You said this...

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Ugh i got 256 kb for L2 cache. L1 cache (8kb) + L2 cache = 262 kb.

Maybe if it go upper than 256 it count it as a lvl 3 cache?

Or might i am totaly wrong.



Then I said this...

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OH. thought you were using the northwood version of the 2Ghz P4.

err.... did intel even make a 2Ghz northwood?

Anyways, nevermind my post then.



Then you said this...

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Yeah. So my CPU is.... Edited?



You said you had a 256KB Level 2 cache... Intel never made a northwood Pentium 4 CPU with a 256kb level cache... the willamette's were 256KB.

You, in fact, have a northwood Pentium 4 w/ a 512KB level 2 cache. Additionally, Pentium 4's do not have a Level 3 cache- only extreme editions do (or did anyways).

Reply to mpjesse

There's no such thing as an L-3 cache in a processor. L-3 cache can only be found on the mobos, but not all mobos do have L-3 cache.

Reply to ShortyNumber45
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Umm... not true. Intel made Xeon's and Pentium 4 Extreme Editions w/ Level 3 caches. See here:

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Integrated 2MB Level 3 Cache on IntelĀ® PentiumĀ® 4 Processor Extreme Edition 3.46 GHz
The 2-MB L3 cache is available only with the Pentium 4 processor Extreme Edition. The additional third level of cache is located on the processor die and is designed specifically to meet the compute needs of high-end gamers and other power users. The Integrated L3 cache is available in 2 MB and when coupled with either the 1066 MHz or 800 MHz system bus provides a high bandwidth path to memory. The efficient design of the integrated L3 cache provides a faster path to large data sets stored in cache on the processor. This results in reduced average memory latency and increased throughput for larger workloads.



http://www.intel.com/design/Pentium4/prodbref/#cache2

Here's a couple for sale:
http://www.stalliontek.com/Product [...] 4%2D101400
http://www.starmicro.net/detail.aspx?ID=556

They were originally based on the northwood and prescott cores. The cores themselves had an added 2MB of cache added on (they were not part of the die specifically) But since L2 cache's have trippled in size in the past 2 years, Intel has done away w/ L3 cache in new Pentiums.

But they did exist... and can still be bought. ;-)

-mpjesse

Reply to mpjesse

I agree I have a Laptop with the 3.4 extrem edtion with 2mb L3 cache.

Reply to AtolSammeek
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what's the battery life on that thing... 15 minutes?

Reply to mpjesse

Anyway i buyed a new computer. I will recieve it tromorow. Here the specs:

Pentium D 920 2.8 Ghz
Unknown motherboard
GeForce 6200SE 256mb with Turbo Cache
Windows XP Media edition
With a remote controler.
2x 1028 MB Ram
250 GB 7200 RPM HDD

Is that a good choice? I hear the Intel was hots.

Reply to maypep_necro

intelz are hot

good choice still and it will do whatever you want it too.

unfortunately though. your performance if you game will be severely crippled by the video card

the 6200Turbo Charged card is a piece of shit that should never have seen the light of day.

it is only a 64mb video card with I believe 64mbit memory pathway. means SUPER slow. what makes it worse is that memory is so small because it uses your SYSTEM RAM as it's main memory source which is even slower.

if you need a simple video card for windows. fine. but any 3d gaming or editting and you're up shit creek

Reply to mpasternak

it's OK... but the video card is complete garbage. I'm not sure how much it cost but a 6600 is minum for gaming now. Also, that intel dual core is low end i think, proably should have got an AMD system with 3800+ x2 since AMD has better, cheaper, cooler dual cores.

Also, you seem to always rely on just numbers to decide which component is better. That 6200 may be 256mb but it sucks ass, while a 6600gt with 128mb will own it completely. Same for the RAM and Hard drive, the ram may be 2gigs, but is it crappy kingston value RAM or Corsair xms, not specifically, but thats a range. The hd might be 250gig but could be really slow and hot, but don't worry about that so much. Try to find out which mobo you got, it will help.

It sounds like you went and got an MDG package, and they may be fairly cheap, but they are crappy, how much did you pay?

Reply to corvetteguy

Alright. I'm back. Im on the new computer and i found the motherboard.

AsusTek Model: EMERY

I did some search on it and no results. On ASUS site too.

My L2 cache is pretty hign. 2048 KB.
My hard disk is a SamSung.
On CPU-Z it say: L1 Cache: 16 KB
8-way
Line size: 64 kb
Adaptive.

L1 trace: size: 12 kuops 8-way

CPU instruction: MMX SSE SSE2 SSE3 EM64T


Is that good? My computer is 32 or 64?

FSB: 200.1 MHz
Bus Speed: 800.3 MHz
2800.9 MHz
CPU clocks:

Reply to maypep_necro

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Oh yes, and killer overclockers they were. Celeron D 2.13GHz's are the new overclock king, going to 3.2GHz at stock voltage!


Lohl, that's nothing
New Celeron Cedar Mill's hit 5.0ghz on stock intel cooling :O

Reply to ak47is1337

world record is 7,8 GHz

Reply to maypep_necro

yeah, but that's phucking LN2. This is air cooled..Intel cooled.

Reply to ak47is1337

Nothing eh? 2.13GHz to 3.2GHz is like 3.2GHz at 4.8GHz. And I did say STOCK VOLTAGE.

Reply to Crashman

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Nothing eh? 2.13GHz to 3.2GHz is like 3.2GHz at 4.8GHz. And I did say STOCK VOLTAGE.


Lawl, thats basically the 3.33 to 5ghz :O

Reply to ak47is1337

But some1 please find my motherboard and tell me info about it.

Reply to maypep_necro

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But some1 please find my motherboard and tell me info about it.


Why do you need to find that anyway?

Reply to ak47is1337

Some info about my motherboard.

Reply to maypep_necro

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Here CPU-Z screenshot.



Random red-flag: unless I'm mistaken, you appear to have two sticks of RAM with different timings. This is generally a bad idea.

Reply to Whizzard9992

stuff like this is why you build your own computer or specify every part of what goes in it.

Reply to captaincharisma

My computer is not home builded. I buyed it. Here the full computer name:

HP Media Center PC m7350n

And for my old computer, i had only 1 stick of RAM. 512 mb.

Reply to maypep_necro

Some1 can find some info on my motherboard?

Reply to maypep_necro

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Some1 can find some info on my motherboard?


Why do you need information on your motherboard? I'd be glad to show you some things if you just tell me why...

Reply to ak47is1337

Ask CPU-Z, it should tell you.

Reply to ShortyNumber45

I wonder if it is related to hyper-threading?

Reply to TechnologyCoordinator

I found it myself and its a:ASUS P5LP-LE

Is this good?

Reply to maypep_necro

d00d, you got a cheap system, just be happy it works.

Reply to Crashman

I got the answer. Its because HP have a custom made motherboard. I found it all by myself. This forum is suposed to help right?

Reply to maypep_necro

Help how? Everyone knows that HP specifies their own boards, and that mid-range HP's generally use Asus boards that are modified from the standard version by removing features.

Reply to Crashman

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This forum is suposed to help right?



You have 2 pages of replies over a 2-day period.

I would suggest not insulting the people that are trying to help.

If you don't get an answer to your question, please rephrase it or be more specific. Your english is a little choppy and people might not understand the question.

Reply to Whizzard9992

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Help how? Everyone knows that HP specifies their own boards, and that mid-range HP's generally use Asus boards that are modified from the standard version by removing features.



I din't not know that. Why din't u tell me? And sorry for my english, im a french.

Reply to maypep_necro

Well first, your BIOS is out of date. Try updating that first.

While CPU-Z reports your BIOS as version 1002 of Motherboard P4S8X-X, the specifications for your HP box says it's something else - a P5LP-LE.

In either case, your BIOS version is out of date.

Lastly, the answer to your question lies in the "staging" of the L2 Cache. - Or you could say that the access granularity results in the "increased latency". Technically, the test is detecting the cache correctly, and incorrectly depending on how you look at it. Obviously in your CPU there is more than one stage of the level 2 cache, or there is an access granularity issue, where only a certain amount of L2 cache can be pulled from one access method.

Reply to RambusTech

you changed your avatar, is it even an AK47 anymore, looks like, i think an m-90, but thats a guess.

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