Come on Vascular; don't be so hard on him. Every other thread on this forum is "should I upgrade my SB Live to X-Fi" with the same repeated answers over and over again. This isn't much of a forum; at one point we had 4 consecutive "SB Live to X-Fi" threads and no one bothered the just read ONE of the threads below before making a new thread. I think we have more etiquitte problems on this forum than shill posters.