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Charges of Espionage Completely False, Says Arma 3 Dev

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September 18, 2012 7:27:08 AM

"Rumors of espionage are completely false". Limnos Island is a strategic Hellenic island where Turkish spies (usually originating from EU countries) traditionaly try to obtain information.

When two guys with maps about paths, infitrate into crucial military facilities, my question is "WTF did they though it would happen?". If they had tried this on other countries, they would be probably dead by now. And imho, if you don't respect the law of the country you're visiting, get prepared for the consequences, either if you are a spy or not.
September 18, 2012 7:46:26 AM

Its kind of funny how the goverment even cares. Greece is an irrelevant country and their army is laughable. Just like most of europes countries. Whats the worst case scenario? Greece pays its debts? :D 

"oh yeah boy im gonna spy some greece army yeah serious information"
September 18, 2012 8:03:01 AM

Actually if they did this in the US, they would probably be fine as long as the facility did not require a high level of secret clearance. We have tourists going into US military bases all the time with detailed maps taking thousands of photos. In secret clearance facilities they are well signed as cannot enter or will be shot and are usually in the middle of nowhere where you can spot someone a mile out.
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September 18, 2012 8:30:19 AM

Greece has the biggest active military per capita in Europe, the biggest %GDP spending on military in Europe and 20th in the world for a country smaller than California. So no, their army is not laughable, one could say they take things too seriously. I've read that they had visited the island 2 times already in the past, got photos/videos and no-one bothered them. It seams third time's a charm.

What would have happened if the same thing would have taken place in the states? Do you think they would even be allowed a lawyer under the patriot act?
September 18, 2012 8:43:41 AM

ConstantineBBGreece has the biggest active military per capita in Europe, the biggest %GDP spending on military in Europe and 20th in the world for a country smaller than California...


Now if only they had the money to gas up their aircraft :-)
Seriously, Greece military power? Kinda like German Love songs :-)

September 18, 2012 8:49:14 AM

ConstantineBBGreece has the biggest active military per capita in Europe, the biggest %GDP spending on military in Europe and 20th in the world for a country smaller than California. So no, their army is not laughable, one could say they take things too seriously. I've read that they had visited the island 2 times already in the past, got photos/videos and no-one bothered them. It seams third time's a charm.What would have happened if the same thing would have taken place in the states? Do you think they would even be allowed a lawyer under the patriot act?

And look where that military spending has got them. They arent even having a war!
September 18, 2012 8:51:33 AM

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Now if only they had the money to gas up their aircraft :-)
Seriously, Greece military power? Kinda like German Love songs :-)


It's funny how people want to discuss things they don't have a clue about.
September 18, 2012 8:54:53 AM

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And look where that military spending has got them. They arent even having a war!


LOL

ps. It' like saying that in your village there was a sign for a dangerous turn on the road. But for 5 years there was no accident so you removed it..
September 18, 2012 9:27:59 AM

teodorehLOLps. It' like saying that in your village there was a sign for a dangerous turn on the road. But for 5 years there was no accident so you removed it..

It's a bit different when they're literally bankrupt while every other EU country has taken military budget cuts. Greece keeps on spending when they don't have anything to spend. It's no wonder they have so much unrest there.
September 18, 2012 10:10:19 AM

teodorehI was curious of how many msecs would pass since an idiot would bring economy on the matter, without even knowing basic facts. HAF is in the To20 biggest air forces in the world. Get ur facts straight before writiting an embarrising comment you idiot..

Actually they are 26th with 773 total aircraft (just 72 more than Iraq) US Air force has 16,253 just in the Air Force Branch alone, Marines/Navy have more aircraft than the Air force.

As far as Total ACTIVE Military they are 29th with 177,600 active military (280k reserves) with the 5th largest active military per capita at 16.5% per 1000 people.

So yes, as far as world militaries go, they are insignificant to most countries like China, USA, Koran and India. Greece has no innovations of their own. They are a consumer country.
September 18, 2012 10:16:41 AM

curnel_DIt's a bit different when they're literally bankrupt while every other EU country has taken military budget cuts. Greece keeps on spending when they don't have anything to spend. It's no wonder they have so much unrest there.


Please write down ur nationality because you're so clueless. Belgium and Nederland have no military threat so it's very natural to cut their budget, although they violate the NATO agreements. Greece has a Turkey on the other side, a Turkey that invaded and occupied half of Cyprus island. And Greece actually made huge cuts on every part of its economy, army included. But I guess you already know that - somehow.. God...
September 18, 2012 10:21:16 AM

ConstantineBBGreece has the biggest active military per capita in Europe, the biggest %GDP spending on military in Europe and 20th in the world for a country smaller than California.


Yeah and Greece can't afford the army either, much in the same situation in the US really. Both country's loans/capita vs income/capita proves it!

Go ahead and vote the post down if you like, it will only proves how ignorant some people are.
September 18, 2012 10:21:45 AM

Device UnknownActually they are 26th with 773 total aircraft (just 72 more than Iraq) US Air force has 16,253 just in the Air Force Branch alone, Marines/Navy have more aircraft than the Air force.As far as Total ACTIVE Military they are 29th with 177,600 active military (280k reserves) with the 5th largest active military per capita at 16.5% per 1000 people.So yes, as far as world militaries go, they are insignificant to most countries like China, USA, Koran and India. Greece has no innovations of their own. They are a consumer country.


Greece is a consumer country like every Western country. Most of the stuff we all eat or use was produced on countries like China. Innovation is a general term. Intracom, EAB or ELMON doesn't innovate? I guess not in the size of LM or Boeing, but still..

Example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_nEUROn
September 18, 2012 10:30:07 AM

TheCapuletWay to read the article, or have a clue at all. They were never inside any military bases, but instead literally just driving down the main highway. And they were arrested a day later in some village.


Authorities haven't given much details about the arrest. But independed military sites give a different story:

http://www.defencenet.gr/defence/index.php?option=com_c...

NV cameras aren't the tourist's No1 pick, isn't it?

September 18, 2012 10:35:57 AM

Couldn't the have just use Google Earth to get a basic idea for a game development scenario....
I think that would have been a lot more safer and cheaper and yet keep in pace with the authenticity of the whole thing....

Like we said sometime earlier in some other article.... there ain't no dearth of them.....
September 18, 2012 10:44:24 AM

teodorehGreece is a consumer country like every Western country. Most of the stuff we all eat or use was produced on countries like China. Innovation is a general term. Intracom, EAB or ELMON doesn't innovate? I guess not in the size of LM or Boeing, but still..Example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_nEUROn


Your example is a french company and a product that is jointly created with 6 other countries.

ELMON? The Tactical Gear maker? That's like comparing it's ingenuity to US's Baskin Robbin 99 flavors of Ice Creme
September 18, 2012 10:46:42 AM

Stop personal insult or I will start banning people.
September 18, 2012 11:05:24 AM

PyreeStop personal insult or I will start banning people.

No personal insults here, sir. Please move along.
September 18, 2012 11:20:58 AM

Whether they were there as tourists or not, the Greek Law prohibits any kind of recording visual footage of military bases. And it shouldn't make an exception here, even if the final product can prove to provide some good publicity for Lemnos island and Greece altogether. We're not dealing with monasteries and cemeteries of Meteora like in Sanctuary of MW3, but military bases. And yes, every country has the duty to take such issues seriously.
September 18, 2012 12:18:02 PM

PennanenNo personal insults here, sir. Please move along.

That's because I removed them.
September 18, 2012 12:47:24 PM


ConstantineBBGreece has the biggest active military per capita in Europe, the biggest %GDP spending on military in Europe and 20th in the world for a country smaller than California. So no, their army is not laughable, one could say they take things too seriously. I've read that they had visited the island 2 times already in the past, got photos/videos and no-one bothered them. It seams third time's a charm.What would have happened if the same thing would have taken place in the states? Do you think they would even be allowed a lawyer under the patriot act?


hmmm... do you know why Greece army used weapons are so well priced on second hand market? Never fired, dropped only once... lol
September 18, 2012 2:06:04 PM

the problem is Greece has become a 3rd world country, all the government that got voted in from reactionary politics, has opened the door to dictatorships. and its sad, and these people will be held as collateral to get the other countries to approve a new bailout for greece!
September 18, 2012 5:23:16 PM

great.. now arma 3 is going to be pushed back and delayed.. and all this other mess
Anonymous
September 18, 2012 11:21:28 PM

well, can you blame them?

i mean, com'on. if Bohemia Interactive really wanted to do something like that in a proper way, wouldn't a simple QUESTION to the Greek government for a permit be enough?

it's really funny though. yes, Greece is in a really bad economic situation. yes, it's a smaller country than California state (like we do give a sh!t about americans who destroy so many countries one way or another. take a look at the "confessions of an economic hitman" documentary...)

but they ARE a country in which all you americans rush yearly to visit it's islands and swim at it's beaches.
and all over the world Greece is known for far more good things than bad (*couch* american wars *cough*) and so on. the list is huge.

the other guy says that he doesn't trust the Greek media (like every other country's media is trustworthy.....! take a look at CNN mate and compare the news the american and international channel cast...)

and i cannot even think what would the US government do to them if they were caught doing something like that in the US. we all know what they are capable of in the name of the "war against terrorism".

keep your minds in place and learn a thing or two of what's going on outside your country. learn some history, try and have the ability to understand who is good and who isn't.

just because Greece is in a bad economic situation, doesn't take their right to be equal with all other countries.

be reasonable and stop saying stupid things just to make some impression and get a "like" in your post.

and something else.. about the game being pushed back on it's release date..... well, don't you guys have soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo many war games to play? really? a new war game will make such a difference?

GEE.......!
September 19, 2012 3:31:34 AM

ConstantineBBWhat would have happened if the same thing would have taken place in the states? Do you think they would even be allowed a lawyer under the patriot act?
If they shot photos and video from a public road and other public, non-restricted places? You're right, they wouldn't have a lawyer - because there would be no charges.
nameless45674if Bohemia Interactive really wanted to do something like that in a proper way, wouldn't a simple QUESTION to the Greek government for a permit be enough?
For WHAT? Did you read the article? They were filming stuff in public places as tourists. Not secretly documenting military installations for use in Arma 3. As Capulet pointed out, the hangers are located at an international airport! They didn't need a permit, and they didn't do anything wrong.
September 19, 2012 12:23:45 PM

TheCapuletKnow what else is impossible to find? The law regarding taking images of Greek military assets. It's not there. I've asked several people to help, along with one Greek lawyer. It exists, they assure me. But it's very clear that it's not publicly accessible information.


Either you were too bored to really look it up or your Greek lawyer isn't much of one. Here:
http://tinyurl.com/8sfszy3

The case is so (2 years of imprisonment, unless heavier charges are applicable) and it doesn't make any exception about covert or not military bases.

Now I know it's in Greek and you, being all that anti-Greek, won't bother translating it, but for the sake of objectivity do so. It's just moronic to talk like that about the law of a country you obviously barely know things about.

By the way, why is it so, that every time a Greece-related subject emerges on the Internet, someone always talks about the economy, even if it has nothing to do with the subject in question?

All I can guess is that you're probably pretty pissed your nice video game won't be coming out for a while. Personally, when it comes to national security, I wouldn't care if the entire video game industry was brought to its knees by that event.
Anonymous
September 21, 2012 8:20:44 AM

I'm sorry to say this...but I have little Sympathy. WHY take photo's, like that...In a Country, which is, known to be a bit Over the top perhaps, with Photography?

Have people learned nothing from the British Planespotters who also were arrested?..... A pointless exercise, as even if the game was going to boast great, Greek Scenery...No-one would know it was Greece (or probably even care)...and plenty of images and film on the Net to use...including Google Earth.

I suspect they will be released (as where the Plane Spotters) after Greece has taught them a lesson!....but extremely stupid people!

The Greeks are merely protecting their National Interests, and the Greek People...I sometimes wonder if the sort of people who design, and play these games, think the World is like their fantasy?
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