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March 1, 2006 12:26:23 PM

I've been reading comments on this site for a short while now. It seems to me most believe AMD is the king of gaming CPUs. However, some believe in the end Intel provides brute force strength in most other areas.

But anyways, I thought if I was going to game why not just buy a console, like the XBox 360 or PS3. I'm really leaning towards the PS3 since this may be the Messiah (the cell processor) we've all been waiting for.

Having a consule I know gives up tasks like web browsing, email, transcoding and other stuff. But with 95% of the posts here on THG are about problems with their systems its kind of depressing to keep reading.

So, I had an epiphany. Buy a basic AMD processor, low feature motherboard, some cheap ram, a dvd-burner, a hard drive and whatever else it takes to complete the system and buy the PS3 for gaming. This way I would avoid the hassles of breaking my pc but could game while its being repaired.

I truly believe this is my best senario. Would someone please support my decision?
March 1, 2006 12:39:39 PM

Sounds like a very good option. You could put together an extremely low cost system using an AMD Sempron processor and a motherboard that features integrated graphics. You could even brag about underclocking (lol, just kidding about the underclocking).

Not only would you be able to build a low cost rig, you could build a pretty quiet one as well and have it not use much power (energy costs are rising).

I have also been considering the PS3, but I don't think I'll ever get away from a computer.

I know you hear a lot about computer issues here, but people don't usually post with the subject, "My computer works so great and I'm actually happy for once".

I recently put together my system (see sig for components) and had no issues, and it ROCKS on the games and it is by no means an expensive system. The mobo, proc, and video card cost me less than $600 and it is completely upgradable later (in fact, it's getting another gig of RAM today).
March 1, 2006 1:24:25 PM

god not another thread comparing pc's to consoles please god nooooooooooooo!
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March 1, 2006 1:43:28 PM

I had to satisfy my curiosity and throw together pricing for a low-end AMD Sempron system:


AMD Sempron 64 2800+ 800MHz HT Socket 754 Processor
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...
- This sempron runs at 1.6 ghz BUT has 256kb cache, which is good for a low-end proc. You could always overclock but you can't add more cache later.

$75.00


Gigabyte GA-K8N51GMF Micro ATX AMD Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...
- This board doesn't just have integrated graphics, it has an integrated GeForce 6100. It would share you system RAM, but it would be nice to have a little horse power in case there was a PC only game, you could run it at low settings.
- Also, 8 channel audio, it's not Creative, but it would be good enough for your multi-media needs.
- This board also has a PCI-E x16 slot for a graphics card if you choose to upgrade

$59.99


RAIDMAX RX-380K 380W Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...
- You might not get a true 380 watts out this supply, but whatever it's real rating is it will be OVERKILL for your low power Sempron system

$14.99


CORSAIR ValueSelect 1GB (2 x 512MB) 184-Pin DDR SDRAM Dual Channel Kit System Memory
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...
- Yes, low end systems need a gig of RAM, and if you can get a gig of Corsair for under 70 bucks, why not!?

$66.08


SONY Black IDE DVD Burner Model DW-Q30A-B2http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...
- It's Sony, it burns, why not?



Western Digital Caviar SE 250GB 3.5" Serial ATA150 Hard Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...
- Ya, you could skimp out and go with a puny 80gb hard drive, but we want a budget PC, not a joke, at less than $100 bucks a drive you cannot afford to have less than 250GB to address all your current and future storage needs

$95.00


RAIDMAX Astro ATX-268WSP Silver Computer Case With Side Panel Window
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...
- This is the case I purchased, it has a window, lots of space, and comes with two fans, you can't ask for much more than that at this price point.

$30.00


Total hardware cost: $341.06 + s&h


OS Cost (NewEgg Pricing):
XP Home: $93.95
XP Pro: $146.95
XP MCE: $114.95



Yes, Dell can sell you a computer for "$300", however, there is a $100 shipping charge, plus what you'd be getting would be so inferior to the above hardware it wouldn't be funny.
March 1, 2006 1:53:57 PM

Any Low-Cost Dell beats that at a lower price >_>

I would say you should get a system with a VIA CPU, thats low power.
March 1, 2006 1:58:37 PM

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I had to satisfy my curiosity and throw together pricing for a low-end AMD Sempron system:

Yes, Dell can sell you a computer for "$300", however, there is a $100 shipping charge, plus what you'd be getting would be so inferior to the above hardware it wouldn't be funny.
actually dell pcs are built to have no quality they extensively test them in the key areas of sucking

malfunctions
crashes
how much spyware and viruses they can collect
erasing vital files
monitor burning test
power supply frying other components
and etc
but they make sure that it fails a month after yo buy it so theres no refund :lol: 
March 1, 2006 2:37:41 PM

Well I think I could provide some good insight into this because I only recently (a year ago) got a pc. Before this time I was a ps/ps2 only person, I thought that they were great for gaming......then I built my pc. Well now my friend has my flat screen tv I used for ps2, my brother has my ps2; and for my xbox, I only bought after beating Halo for pc just so my cheep ass friends that don’t have a pc could play halo and halo2 multiplayer till 6 in the morning, sits on my dresser along w/CATV cable, controllers, and hub.

And as far as which games are better pc/console I will refer to a quote I read somewhere else in response to this question "What the hell do you think console games are made on? An etch-a-sketch? How can a console game be better that a pc game when it took a pc to make it?"

As for your situation, it sounds like you are not a hardcore gamer so I think a cheep pc with a console for gaming would be an excellent solution, especially with all the cross over games such as call of duty 2, half life, Doom3 and such being more and more common you can catch the best pc stuff. Only qualm I have is with the xbox only having a life of what a few years I think, not a good spend of several hundred bucks especially if you have to drop that kind of cash every 2 yr. but keeping up with a top notch pc is more costly. The advantage I found was that you can post pone upgrading a long time if you can deal without eye candy of the time then all at once buy a new mobo, proc, video card, ram and your good to go for a long time plus you can use that old stuff as a file server or what not.
March 1, 2006 2:54:28 PM

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god not another thread comparing pc's to consoles please god nooooooooooooo!


he's not exactly comparing them u know.. :wink: this threads different
March 1, 2006 3:13:00 PM

Mr. dvdpiddy,

Dell quality is actually quite good. Yes, I have had problems with their products in the past, but it is easy to have problems when you manage 600 PC's, many of those Dells.

Dell product engineering is great. It is very easy to work on a Dell PC, rarely do you need a screwdriver, it's 95% tool-less. When I need a part due to a failure while under warranty it is there in LESS than 24 hours. Now that is good service. And, with their Gold Technical Support you don't have to talk to people in India or wait.

Yes, it is cheaper and better to build your own PC. However, when you are purchasing PC's in large quantites Dell rules. I recently ordered about 50 Dell computers, and there is no way I could have aquired the parts and labor to build 50 comparable PC's at the same price level.

piddy, you are the opposite of a fanboy, you are a Dell hateboy! I know I won't convince you, but Dell is a good company with quality products, in my opinion of course (with my perspective as being a large-quantity purchaser).

However, I do agree with you the PC enthusiasts should be building their own rigs and should be putting AMD chips in them!
March 1, 2006 3:17:20 PM

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god not another thread comparing pc's to consoles please god nooooooooooooo!


he's not exactly comparing them u know.. :wink: this threads different sorry forgot :cry: 
March 1, 2006 3:19:11 PM

Could always get an Atari 2600 or Coleco Vision
March 1, 2006 3:21:03 PM

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Mr. dvdpiddy,

Dell quality is actually quite good. Yes, I have had problems with their products in the past, but it is easy to have problems when you manage 600 PC's, many of those Dells.

Dell product engineering is great. It is very easy to work on a Dell PC, rarely do you need a screwdriver, it's 95% tool-less. When I need a part due to a failure while under warranty it is there in LESS than 24 hours. Now that is good service. And, with their Gold Technical Support you don't have to talk to people in India or wait.

Yes, it is cheaper and better to build your own PC. However, when you are purchasing PC's in large quantites Dell rules. I recently ordered about 50 Dell computers, and there is no way I could have aquired the parts and labor to build 50 comparable PC's at the same price level.

piddy, you are the opposite of a fanboy, you are a Dell hateboy! I know I won't convince you, but Dell is a good company with quality products, in my opinion of course (with my perspective as being a large-quantity purchaser).

However, I do agree with you the PC enthusiasts should be building their own rigs and should be putting AMD chips in them!
dude i know that dell is paying you for this here go on this site maybe you'll stop being dells plant on these forums wait you wont the money is too good am i right?
March 1, 2006 3:21:32 PM

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Any Low-Cost Dell beats that at a lower price >_>

I would say you should get a system with a VIA CPU, thats low power.


You are out of your mind sir. A low cost $300 (plus 100 or more shipping) Dell consists of this:

Celeron Processor
256 megs of RAM
Cheap Integrated Video (that can't run doo-doo)
80 gigabyte hard drive


How would that be better than this:
AMD Sempron
1 GIGABYE OF RAM
GeForce 6100 integrated graphics
250 gigabyte hard drive

Plus the AMD rig has a PCI-E x16 slot for future video upgrades. Also, I believe the Dell's only have one RAM slot on el-cheapos and that means you'd have to throw away that 256 if you wanted to put more in.
March 1, 2006 3:34:07 PM

That is a very viable option. I personally have an xbox and my nephew has an xbox 360. I do like the 360 better simply because of the 1080i but I still prefer PC games. For some reason game designer tend to make console games more arcady(have to unload an entire clip into someone to kill them). I just prefer the feel of the pc games, they just seem to have more detail. But your decision is a valid one. PC games tend to push the envelope of current video cards. If you don't keep up with the card race you miss out on most of the graphic features they build into the games. That is one problem you won't have with a PS3 or 360. Realistically you could built a cheap system for about $400-450 (AMD) that would do everything well except game.
March 1, 2006 3:43:56 PM

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dude i know that dell is paying you for this here go on this site maybe you'll stop being dells plant on these forums wait you wont the money is too good am i right?


piddy, you are damaging your credibility, not mine. I am a technology professional that does purchasing and strategic planning for a K-12 school district. We are not going to build hundreds of PC's each year, we purchase them.

I have FIRST HAND experience dealing with over one-thousand Dell machines from Pentium II all the way up to the newest Pentium 4's. I do not know if you have had this kind of experience with Dell and Dell products. You may not be satisified with Dell products, but that does not dis-credit my experience and other people's positive experiences with Dell.

How many Dell computers have you owned or managed? Is your hatred for Dell based on experience? If so, why? What happened? I would be interested to know.

Keep in mind, although I am an AMD fanboy and am terribly biased in AMD-Intel discucssion I am NOT a Dell fanboy, my statements about Dell are rather unbiased. Dell is good for businesses and education, but you won't see it in my home.
March 1, 2006 3:47:47 PM

I say you make up your own mind, do your own research and be content with your own decision instead of the opinion of others which may leave you desiring more. You know what works best for you. Besides, why put your faith in a product (PS3, not even out, XBox 360, overheats) that is not even out yet and will proabalby be delayed and cost you AS MUCH as a top tier video card/Good CPU now? :?: :?:
March 1, 2006 3:57:10 PM

Yeah, I agree with you there. I had a similar job with a medium-large company and that is all we purchased were Dell machines. They are cost effective, performed well enough for the tasks at hand and the support was great.

I still prefer to build my own machines and am finding myself building more and more AMD machines. I do use a Dell laptop which I like but I don't really care for their desktops too much.
March 1, 2006 3:58:49 PM

I just find that annoying that you have to pay extra to not talk to people in India. If I want to talk to people that use English as a second language, I'll move back to Cali.
I have a Dell Craptop I mean laptop. Dell's low end solutions are total crap. They are mainly designed for non PC enthusiasts. Their XPS line is a joke, I can built a much faster system for considerably less.
March 1, 2006 4:06:44 PM

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Mr. dvdpiddy,

Dell quality is actually quite good. Yes, I have had problems with their products in the past, but it is easy to have problems when you manage 600 PC's, many of those Dells.

Dell product engineering is great. It is very easy to work on a Dell PC, rarely do you need a screwdriver, it's 95% tool-less. When I need a part due to a failure while under warranty it is there in LESS than 24 hours. Now that is good service. And, with their Gold Technical Support you don't have to talk to people in India or wait.

Yes, it is cheaper and better to build your own PC. However, when you are purchasing PC's in large quantites Dell rules. I recently ordered about 50 Dell computers, and there is no way I could have aquired the parts and labor to build 50 comparable PC's at the same price level.

piddy, you are the opposite of a fanboy, you are a Dell hateboy! I know I won't convince you, but Dell is a good company with quality products, in my opinion of course (with my perspective as being a large-quantity purchaser).

However, I do agree with you the PC enthusiasts should be building their own rigs and should be putting AMD chips in them!


You're talking about the professional side of Dell. The average person can't call Dell and in less than 24 hours get a replacement anything. I know. In college(just graduated last Dec.) I worked at a computer lab that was pretty much all Dells. They are pieces of crap. In two months we had 2 die. Bad IDE channels. Now this is a university. You'd think Dell would consider us smarter than the average Joe. Well I had to spend 3 f*ing hours on the phone talking to Dell, going through their BS tests, when I told them from the start the IDE channel was dead. Not only that, the guy tried to convince me they had to do the tests because they can't just send out replacement motherboards since they cost over $200! Yea. A server board costs over $200, not their shitty proprietary boards with no features what-so-ever.

The only Dell I would ever buy is a Dell laptop because you generally don't build a laptop yourself. And even then since I would want a gaming laptop, and can get the same laptop Dell sells for $600 less at Sager with more power, I'd rather buy from them.

To the topic of the thread, consoles are nice because the developers can squeeze every ounce of power out of them possible since they're all the same. Look at games like Black, GTA:SA, GT4. They're running on a P2 400 MHz with 32MB of memory. None of those games would run on a Windows machine with those specs even if you could slap the best video card out there in it. But you can't beat the upgradeability of PC. PC games will always look better than console games. Maybe not when the console comes out, but in 6 months the PC will have grown while the console will be the same.
March 1, 2006 4:07:36 PM

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Dell's low end solutions are total crap. They are mainly designed for non PC enthusiasts. Their XPS line is a joke, I can built a much faster system for considerably less.


True, and true!

The PC's I purchase from Dell are mid-range Optiplex GX-620's with:

- 17" LCD
- DVD-ROM/CD-WRITE drive
- 80gb hard drive
- P4 2.8 w/ HT
- 3 year warranty next business day parts OR ON SITE SERVICE
- LEGAL copy of Office XP
- LEGAL copy of Windows XP Professional

All for about $1000

Try to beat that price point with LEGAL copies of all software involved. Keep in mind that I get academic pricing for K-12 school districts.
March 1, 2006 4:12:27 PM

Quote:
Mr. dvdpiddy,

Dell quality is actually quite good. Yes, I have had problems with their products in the past, but it is easy to have problems when you manage 600 PC's, many of those Dells.

Dell product engineering is great. It is very easy to work on a Dell PC, rarely do you need a screwdriver, it's 95% tool-less. When I need a part due to a failure while under warranty it is there in LESS than 24 hours. Now that is good service. And, with their Gold Technical Support you don't have to talk to people in India or wait.

Yes, it is cheaper and better to build your own PC. However, when you are purchasing PC's in large quantites Dell rules. I recently ordered about 50 Dell computers, and there is no way I could have aquired the parts and labor to build 50 comparable PC's at the same price level.

piddy, you are the opposite of a fanboy, you are a Dell hateboy! I know I won't convince you, but Dell is a good company with quality products, in my opinion of course (with my perspective as being a large-quantity purchaser).

However, I do agree with you the PC enthusiasts should be building their own rigs and should be putting AMD chips in them!


You're talking about the professional side of Dell. The average person can't call Dell and in less than 24 hours get a replacement anything. I know. In college(just graduated last Dec.) I worked at a computer lab that was pretty much all Dells. They are pieces of crap. In two months we had 2 die. Bad IDE channels. Now this is a university. You'd think Dell would consider us smarter than the average Joe. Well I had to spend 3 f*ing hours on the phone talking to Dell, going through their BS tests, when I told them from the start the IDE channel was dead. Not only that, the guy tried to convince me they had to do the tests because they can't just send out replacement motherboards since they cost over $200! Yea. A server board costs over $200, not their shitty proprietary boards with no features what-so-ever.

The only Dell I would ever buy is a Dell laptop because you generally don't build a laptop yourself. And even then since I would want a gaming laptop, and can get the same laptop Dell sells for $600 less at Sager with more power, I'd rather buy from them.

To the topic of the thread, consoles are nice because the developers can squeeze every ounce of power out of them possible since they're all the same. Look at games like Black, GTA:SA, GT4. They're running on a P2 400 MHz with 32MB of memory. None of those games would run on a Windows machine with those specs even if you could slap the best video card out there in it. But you can't beat the upgradeability of PC. PC games will always look better than console games. Maybe not when the console comes out, but in 6 months the PC will have grown while the console will be the same.

1. i agree that dell sucks
2.the ps2 has an sis proc not p2 (did you mean to say ps2?)
March 1, 2006 4:42:05 PM

He is asking for people's opinion.
March 1, 2006 5:11:13 PM

Asking for opinion: Here's one - he needs a haircut. ;) 

Why does the title of this thread remind me of "Alien vs. Predator"?
March 1, 2006 5:25:27 PM

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the Messiah (the cell processor) we've all been waiting for.

That made me laugh, because it's not close to being true.
March 1, 2006 5:29:32 PM

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I've been reading comments on this site for a short while now. It seems to me most believe AMD is the king of gaming CPUs. However, some believe in the end Intel provides brute force strength in most other areas.

But anyways, I thought if I was going to game why not just buy a console, like the XBox 360 or PS3. I'm really leaning towards the PS3 since this may be the Messiah (the cell processor) we've all been waiting for.

Having a consule I know gives up tasks like web browsing, email, transcoding and other stuff. But with 95% of the posts here on THG are about problems with their systems its kind of depressing to keep reading.

So, I had an epiphany. Buy a basic AMD processor, low feature motherboard, some cheap ram, a dvd-burner, a hard drive and whatever else it takes to complete the system and buy the PS3 for gaming. This way I would avoid the hassles of breaking my pc but could game while its being repaired.

I truly believe this is my best senario. Would someone please support my decision?

Good grief people, if you wanna start a Dell pro and con thread make a new one.
Back on topic, yeah do it, its a great option!
I did it myself when I got my xbox (regular). The great thing about consoles is taht you don't really have to worry about 'will my graphics card be good enough or will my cpu be fast enough or will my computer crash and burn'. All the games will work on your console... and they will look nice. and good.
Heck if I were you, get a low end system for all that, and sink the rest of the cash into a console and an HDTV!
The PC is great for gaming, period. But consoles offer you a way to not really have to think about upgrading all the time. Sure, you won't get to play some games, but thats how it rolls. If you're not picky about every single pixel being smooth for every single game, a console is a good bet.

This isn't the era of the PS2 and the Xbox and the Gamecube. The 360, PS3, and Revolution will offer high res gaming. It'll look pretty. It'll be nice. It'll look pretty real. If you have to play games at the max resolution, get a PC. If you can live w/ playing on a TV and console, its not a bad way to go.
March 1, 2006 5:29:45 PM

One thing to think about is that you could put linux on the ps3, then you could use it for gaming and surfing, only need one system.
March 1, 2006 5:32:45 PM

:D  Great config @ a great price :D  :trophy:
March 1, 2006 5:44:57 PM

As many of the people on these noted, I would avoid cheap RAM. Low cost quality is what I'd go for.

just my $0.02

EDIT: I like technology_coordinator's suggestions, though.
March 1, 2006 5:47:41 PM

Well the price of the ps3 is going to keep me away but I used this same line of thinking when the dream cast came out used that for surfing the web and games and got a real cheap pc for everything else. Then i found out i did nothing else but surf the web so the pc was a waist.
Then came the xbox so i used the same theory, even better is that with the mod chips i could do pretty much anything on the xbox. and got a cheap pc to fill that empty desk. But then the games for the xbox SUCKED so i had to get a better pc to play better games, there is only so long i can play halo for.
So i had to spen even more money for a pc that can play games.

How much will the ps3 cost? I hear from $400 to $900<in the sd tribune this weekend.

on a side note you can buy a refurb dell for cheap and better then a new cheap pc.
last week i got a e510 p4 630, 250gb sata,ddr 512mb 533hz ,2 dvd burner 1 of wich is a double layer, external usb floppy ,a 128mb x300e pcie card, xp home or media dont remember wich one for $331 plus $24 shipping my friend got the same one for $345 with free shipping 2 weeks ago.
March 1, 2006 5:49:13 PM

i have found console game graphics far from ideal. its just my opinion. i never liked staring at my TV for such extended periods.

the first and the last time i bought a console for the game was a PS2. i sold it away after 2 months.
March 1, 2006 5:53:00 PM

I would think that PS3's HD picture would be as good as PC now. The problem is, consoles are consoles, with average lifespan of 3 yrs or so, while PC grpahics advance every 6 months, roughly, so by the end of the console's life PC's graphics will likely be way superior.
March 1, 2006 6:15:17 PM

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I would think that PS3's HD picture would be as good as PC now.
Think about that statement. What resolution is HD? What resolutions do serious gamers use when playing on their PC? :lol: 

The era of the console being equal to or better than a PC are long over, and likely won't ever come back, because in terms of color depth, refresh rate, and resolution, TVs just don't compare to computer monitors anymore.
March 1, 2006 6:29:11 PM

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So, I had an epiphany. Buy a basic AMD processor, low feature motherboard, some cheap ram, a dvd-burner, a hard drive and whatever else it takes to complete the system and buy the PS3 for gaming.
I love gaming on consoles, but never for serious gaming. Consoles are like gokarts. They're fun. They're tons of fun. But people drive real cars for a reason.

It's not just that PCs can have better graphics and better sound. It's also about the control. You pick up a console's controller, and while fairly intuitive, you lack some very basic concepts. You don't have quick and precise manual aiming like you do with a mouse. And you're stuck with a rather limited number of buttons. Keep the game simple and the buttons will be enough. Design a complex game such as a good FPS, and your buttons become a noticable limitation.

Consoles are fun little devices, and can provide hours and hours of fun, but once you start playing some serious games on a PC you'll forget that console even exists. :lol: 

What I would suggest is get your console, and build yourself an inexpensive PC, but make sure that your PC is set up to be added to later. Get a good feature-rich motherboard, an affordable single stick of good RAM, a hearty power supply, and the cheapest CPU and graphics that you can throw into that system. Then if you ever see what I'm talking about one day, you're all set to invest more into your PC and bring it up to snuff as a gaming rig. :) 

Another option would just be to get the cheapest PC on earth and ditch it for a decent box one day, but a lot of people find upgrading piece by piece a more affordable and satisfying path than saving up forever to eventually do a total replacement.
March 1, 2006 7:57:26 PM

I don't know if I'd support your decision, but I plan on buying a PS3 as well. Consider the fact that a lot of PC titles are exponentially better than any console title (Half Life 2, Doom 3, Quake 4, AOE II, FEAR just to name a few). The only title worth mentioning (in terms of superiority) on the console side is Halo/Halo 2. Just about every other game (Splinter Cell for example) eventually hits the PC and it's usually better on PC.

PlayStation has the best titles of both consoles- period. No one can argue this. Although, with the ever so increasing popularity of the Xbox 360/Xbox, most developers will be forced to release one time "exclusive" PS titles on Xbox. So in the end they're probably about equal... or are they?

Let us not forget the PS3 will be using a Bluray drive. Xbox 360 currently ships with a plain 'ole DVD-ROM (though M$ has said they'll be releasing a HD-DVD attachment, but for how much???). Considering what standalone bluray DVD players will initially cost, the PS3 seems like a no brainer to me. (that is of course if you're interested in HD DVD's & Gaming, which I am)

This time around the PS3 is going to be equally matched (in terms of technology) to the Xbox 360 (if not more so). The PS2 was a joke IMO- they didn't even <think> about pixel shading- something the Xbox did out of the box. Granted Xbox came out 1 year later, but pixel shading was around when the PS2 was introduced.

Anyways, I'm going to get a PS3 this time around. Xbox 360 just ain't doing it for me.

-mpjesse
March 1, 2006 8:06:04 PM

**I have not read the 1st page of this thread, and I don't intend to, so what I say may have already been said**

I read that the Cell processor (which is a joke if you look at the architecture deeply enough) is not more powerful than current AMD & Intel offerings, because of the design of the SPE's and the fact that programming for each SPE is like ripping your skin off with a nail filer, and thus many programmers (from what I read) won't be using more than 2-3 of the SPE's anyways. Even the X360 Tri-Core is not as poweful as current offerings of AMD & Intel. The PS3 uses a variation of OpenGL for it's Graphics API, which has gotten me excited and wondering how much I can pick up an SDK for ^_^ hehe. It will be interesting to see how the Cell performs in real-world servers when IBM decides to release it.

~~Mad Mod Mike, pimpin' the world 1 rig at a time
March 1, 2006 8:11:15 PM

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I love gaming on consoles, but never for serious gaming. Consoles are like gokarts. They're fun. They're tons of fun. But people drive real cars for a reason.

I feel the same way. Consoles are good for first-person shooters. But you miss out on a wide variety of other types of games, many of which have vibrantly active modding communities.
I played around with the Morrowind series for two years (including the two expansions). Since the game came bundled with the developers' tools, you could do pretty much anything you wanted to the game: make a super character, add more people, create a house for your character where you could store stuff ... the PS2 version of the game cost about the same but was missing all the extra features.
There's lots of things you can do on a computer that you just can't do on a console.
March 1, 2006 8:13:35 PM

I totally agree :D 

Computers are a lot more flexible.
March 1, 2006 8:15:19 PM

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I love gaming on consoles, but never for serious gaming. Consoles are like gokarts. They're fun. They're tons of fun. But people drive real cars for a reason.

I feel the same way. Consoles are good for first-person shooters. But you miss out on a wide variety of other types of games, many of which have vibrantly active modding communities.
I played around with the Morrowind series for two years (including the two expansions). Since the game came bundled with the developers' tools, you could do pretty much anything you wanted to the game: make a super character, add more people, create a house for your character where you could store stuff ... the PS2 version of the game cost about the same but was missing all the extra features.
There's lots of things you can do on a computer that you just can't do on a console.

Consoles suck for FPS's, except Halo. I can't wait for Halo 2 on PC, though it requires Vista, which is another way M$ is gonna force people to get infected with their new version of Apple's OS.

~~Mad Mod Mike, pimpin' the world 1 rig at a time
March 1, 2006 8:54:55 PM

well im just gonna go ahead and ignore dvd because theres a different thread talking about dell and in no way has he contributed to it by showing facts or even information thats useful in defending his opinion that dell sucks. but anyway to the point, ps3 is delayed to at least the end of 06, meaning, if u do ur plan ull have no real gaming until then, which is a long time to be without. ps3 is rumored to cost at LEAST 800 dollars, thats very steep to pay for a console thats going to be out of date 6 months after u buy it... plus the cheapo computer will be at least 400.. id rather spend the 1200 on a pimp rig now and upgrade that in 2 years or so :)  much better idea, since gaming on computers is much better, controls just arnt for me... plus computers are a lot more customizable which is a big deal for a lot of people, me included, i like being able to pick out exactly what im getting in my box and pick what box i put it in, makes me feel special!!! its kinda the same reason why people pimp out cars, they want it to be personalized... thats also the reason why theres skins for the xbox and xbox 360, trying to make it more customizable, i know thats not the selling point of a computer, for me even, it just means a bit to me that i actually built the computer and pt what i wanted in it... rather than picking out which xbox u want, the core or a harddrive. but if i had an extra 500+ for an xbox id get one in a second, there really nice and becomming more like computers every generation, the 360 connects to ur network and can play ur music and videos too i think. u can save music onto it, play it while ur in a game, its pretty cool really, like a home theater/gaming center all in one... but 500 for the one with a harddrive is a bit steep for me since i have an 800 dollar computer already, and i wouldnt really use an xbox that much since i like keyboard/mouse more, but i must admit the 360 controller is VERY nice and fits very well in ur hand. if ur comparing the 3 id say pick 1 of the 3 dont get a computer and xbox or ps3. if u dont have a computer go to a thrift store or somthing and buy a p3 for like 30 bux to use for web browing and email n such...


as for the dell thing, dont even bother argueing with dvd, its not worth the text ur typing to prove that hes wrong, because there a law that he will never be right, its called parlee's law.
March 1, 2006 9:01:55 PM

parlee, I and I think others as well, will not be reading that post, it is border-line Illegible, dude, seriously, it's called P A R A G R A P H S!!

~~Mad Mod Mike, pimpin' the world 1 rig at a time
March 1, 2006 9:08:15 PM

yea i dont type in paragraphs, if u cant read it then dont i dont give a shit. if u cant read english without paragraphs capital letters and indentations then u have a problem, ur luckey i even use commas and periods. that being said ur the only person whos ever said anything about it so i guess ur the only one that cant read if its not in paragraphs and typed like an essay, SORRY I DONT SPELL CHECK I KEEPS IT MAFUCKIN REAL!... my bad. so do u have an opinion or are u just gonna bitch about my grammer?
March 1, 2006 9:18:15 PM

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yea i dont type in paragraphs, if u cant read it then dont i dont give a shit. if u cant read english without paragraphs capital letters and indentations then u have a problem, ur luckey i even use commas and periods. that being said ur the only person whos ever said anything about it so i guess ur the only one that cant read if its not in paragraphs and typed like an essay, SORRY I DONT SPELL CHECK I KEEPS IT MAFUCKIN REAL!... my bad. so do u have an opinion or are u just gonna bitch about my grammer?


I already stated my opinion, but I have formulated another.

~~Mad Mod Mike, pimpin' the world 1 rig at a time
March 1, 2006 9:20:14 PM

yea well ur opinion on how i type means nothing to me because every1 else seems to read it fine, but i meant an opinion on the actual topic instead of bitching at me because i dont feel like using propor grammer
March 1, 2006 9:27:00 PM

parlee what happened to you?
March 1, 2006 9:35:19 PM

Just wait another couple to many months and you should be able to buy your PS3, there are being delayed for good reason. When they are spending near $1000 a console versus Xbox's $550, you have to.

I don't want to break the PS3 fans hopes, and I myself am not a console lover/fanboy of any kind (I am very objective), your are only lying to yourself if you think the 360 sucks and the PS3 will just dominate. Idealistic views will do that; you have to be realist. The 360 was thought to just be awesome, then you guys heard of heating issues, which are over exaggerated already, and now we come to the PS3 launch and what a de javu.

I'm not saying it will be just like it, but I will predict the PS3 will have its faults. With a price per unit almost doubling that of the Xbox360, Sony will either have to get rid of features or cut corners, something Microsoft did with the 360, get rid of features. I think the 360 is a great system, it is quite solid at a decent price, the PS3 will, I'm sure, do the same but probably have to come up with quite a skeem to pull off to make up the money they lost on the console. Either they will have higher prices, which I already imagine, because those fed up with the 360 will be willing to pay a price for a quality system, and/or they will have to develope a lot or some very interesting add ons like those universal remotes. I see them doing something really creative with their online use, most likely charging a fee.

The only thing that has gone through the wall is that they have had to delay the launch, I've heard earliest is August. This will be bad as some of the anti-360 people will be raving for many months, possibly go with the 360, not like it because they already taught themselves not to like it, try to get rid of it.

I also think though that the PS3 will have something much more next gen than the 360, if there postponing then launch, I would be willing to bet that they will get all of the people who are waiting until next Christmas to actually get a console. It won't be another 4 years until PS3 will have any competition. But they also will have to make sure they don't lose too many faithful console go getters between now and their launch. I think that this delayed launch will actually be much better for Sony, they will be able to think this through and properly react to the 360.
Too bad for me I use a PC, though I use it more like a console when gaming because I like the controller, helps with Halo 2 practice, and also the 10' screen I play on :D  .

Now I laid out two scenarios, one with a advantageous longer delay, and one with a shorter troublesome delay. I think Sony will choose the prior, and might be forced to, because some of the thing they need to do to achieve the latter may be nearly impossible, practically at least. Those that are sticking with a PC, just make sure you know why actually think it through, because once you do, you save money, you just have to know how :D  . I hate how some people compare the PC and console, not the fact that they are being complete morons, but because they never are objective. They always give the fewest amount of details, maybe one figure for numbers, and thats it. Once you actually financially figure it out, I will decide to listen to the rest of your arguement, hopefully it will prove a point.
March 1, 2006 9:37:27 PM

i guess ill ask for an explination to this post... "what do u mean what happened to me!"
March 1, 2006 9:39:17 PM

what im going to say to ur post is, i dig the avatar :lol:  pokemon rocks.
March 1, 2006 9:40:22 PM

If feel the same was as Mike.

Back to the console issue; I like console gaming for multiplayer with friends. Hell, I own two Gamecubes for 8 player Mario Kart.
March 1, 2006 9:42:52 PM

To be honest, I use computers for more than games...and so do you. Your here posting this topic arent you?

I cannot see that the PC can be replaced, it does far more than games.
March 1, 2006 9:46:20 PM

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To be honest, I use computers for more than games...and so do you. Your here posting this topic arent you?

I cannot see that the PC can be replaced, it does far more than games.


I don't think anybody is saying a PC can be replaced (if they are, they're some f*cked up kind of moron) but gaming on consoles is easier and more fun. You don't have the problems of CD Keys, NO-CD/DVD's Working, Game Patches, or LAN Troubles. All you need is a few systems and some games and you're good to go. Not to mention gaming w/ a controller is sometimes more sensational than with a keyboard, but I do believe the First Person Shooter realm should remain on the PC.

~~Mad Mod Mike, pimpin' the world 1 rig at a time
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