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512mb 7800 gt or x1800xt 512mb or 7800 gtx 256mb

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March 5, 2006 10:27:36 AM

Im upgrading my system atm I got: 1 gig of ram, 3.2ghz prescott, 6600gt

i want to upgrade my 6600gt to one of these cards but I'm not sure which one to go with, from benchmarks it looks like the x1800xt is about on par with the 7800 gtx, and I like the sound of the avivo features, but I havn't found any benchmarks of the 512mb 7800 gt so I can't really tell which would be the better card.
March 5, 2006 11:11:12 AM

I'm of the opinion that the Dual 7800GT is more of a gimmick. Go with the X1800XT.
March 5, 2006 12:35:57 PM

Don`t Listen To Them :!:
Go See "VGA Charts VIII - PCI Express - Winter 2005"
As You Will See The 7800GTX 256Mb is The Fastest of The 3 Cards , By The Way Even a 7800GT Is Faster than a X1800XT , Go See It Your Self , In FEAR You Can See That 7800GTX and 7800GT Is 20% Faster Than X1800XT :!:
If You Want To Play Games WELL , ALWAYS Go For nVIDIA :!:
ATI SUCKS :!: :twisted:
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March 5, 2006 12:49:29 PM

you speak like you never owned an Ati card

in this case i would advise him to go with a 7800GT 512mb from gainward
March 5, 2006 1:07:19 PM

Thats the card I was looking at mopeygoth, jus wasn't sure how it compared to the x1800xt, and wasn't sure whether it was worth getting a gtx with only 256MB of DDR. Price wise the Gainward 512 7800 GT and the Club 3de x1800xt are the same price, but a 7800gtx is an extra £50.
March 5, 2006 1:30:54 PM

^^ dont worry im harldy going ot listen to someone with the name PX7800GT :p  but is the x1800xt better than the 7800gt with 512mb of ram?
March 5, 2006 1:54:45 PM

Personally, I'm curious as to how the 256MB vs 512MB thing can be factored into the general "best card for the money" shortlist.

Specifically, at the exact same price, am I better going for a (Powercolour) X1800XT 512MB, or (OcUK) 7800GTX (Extreme) 256MB? Note that AVIVO is irrelevant to my considerations.

(edit: also curious about where the linked 7800GT 512MB weighs in, it's the same price as the aforementioned models)
March 5, 2006 1:57:51 PM

The X1800XT is not only very fast, but it also displays better quality images that the 7800.
Not to mention hardware encoding of videos.
I have one and I can get 4,935 3DMarks06 and 9,881 marks in 3DMark05 with a single card.
March 5, 2006 2:09:42 PM

Jeez, talk about posessed... You can see that he really is half way between heaven and hell.

Looking at kinetix2005's specs, I'd think that getting such a high end gcard with a 3.2 prescott would be a waste - I can speak for myself as I have 640 P4 - and I know that it's keeping my xtx from really doing what it's supposed to do.

I'd recommend a bigger cpu and a card like the 7800GT/1800XL or maybe a X1900 256mb (if they ever come out). The jump from 6600gt to any of the above will be a good jump. I'm also assuming that a bigger CPU will be at a reasonable price and that you have some sort of budget. Otherwise, pick up the best and get a cpu later :D 
March 5, 2006 2:10:52 PM

You're an idiot; The X1800XT will beat the 7800GTX 256MB and the 7800GT. The 7800GTX512 is faster than the X1800XT, but for the 750$ price tag the difference is so small you'd be an "nVidiot" to buy the GTX512.
March 5, 2006 2:15:30 PM

512mb on high end cards will only make a difference at high resolutions, or when a game uses normal maps with little to none compression (where the effects aren't really so spectacular). So it depends on what you going to do with the card.

Everyone thought that the 7800gtx 512 was faster because of the memory, but the memory was just clocked higher than the 7800gtx 256.

But in the same breath, with new games constantly pushing the envelope of graphics quality, 512mb might come in handy future wise, especially the 1900 series with 48pixel processors.
March 5, 2006 2:16:59 PM

Yeah looking at it the core clock speed of the x1800xt is 625mhz with mem speed @ 1500mhz while the 7800gt has a core clock speed of 450mhz and mem @ 1300mhz
March 5, 2006 2:19:19 PM

But that doesn't make a difference either. A 7800GTX at 625MHz would beat an X1800XT at 625MHz. You really need to stop using intel's marketing logic. :lol: 
March 5, 2006 2:27:24 PM

lol ok so generally speaking

gtx 512 >> x1800xt >> gtx 256

but where does the gt 512 place?
March 5, 2006 2:31:38 PM

1900xtx = 1900xt >> gtx 512 >> x1800xt >> gtx 256 >> gt512 <> XL :lol:  :lol: 
March 5, 2006 2:38:27 PM

Ill probably end up with the x1800xt anyway lol. U think my CPU will bottleneck then? If I'd bought it a couple of months later I probably would have gone AMD :?
March 5, 2006 2:39:16 PM

Well, I'm looking to play new release games at as max settings as possible, while running at 1600x1200 res (native for my 20" LCD).

I'm looking to get as much graphics card as possible in the region E300-400.

Regardless of individual model, I'm probably looking for a 512MB card so as a "must have" with my res requirement?
March 5, 2006 2:45:28 PM

The X1900 XT is your card.
March 5, 2006 2:50:12 PM

Oh well, I guess your stuck with 1600x1200, so get a 512mb card (helps with high res and future proof). Just keep in mind the whole cpu thing. At 1600x1200 a 1900/7800 won't save you because of the cpu bottleneck. At that res you are pulling alot of resources, and even though it's playable, cache'ing will cause pausing and stalls cos the gcard has to wait for the CPU to feed it data... I have alot of problems with FEAR at 1600x1200 with aa and af and culling (i think it describes when you walk round a corner and a new room/environment needs to be rendered)...

But make sure you wait till the end of this week coming, as Nvidia will be releasing the 7900 and two things will happen. A price war will commence and maybe the 7900 will be faster than the 1900....

I think that's why I haven't gone the LCD/TFT route yet, the whole Native Res thingy... :D 
March 5, 2006 3:08:41 PM

Yeah, I've suspected there may not be too much point in my getting anything other than the X1900XT at the moment. I guess I'll have to wait till the price comes down. At the moment I can't find it on UK/Ireland sites for anything less than a bit over 500 euro.

I could buy from the US (prices here in .ie/uk are higher), but with shipping costs, possible custom duties (pretty horrific rates, I won't have paid tax as far as the officials are concerned, and it's 21% here), many retailers not shipping outside US - it would be horrible to try and organise and weigh up price benefits.

The native res thing isn't much of a pain for older games that don't do 1600x1200, as rather than rely on the poor monitor resampling, I get the graphics card to do it in hardware and actually it looks quite reasonable even displaying 1024x768 on the LCD. But for new games, the strain of having the card do the resampling mightn't make this such a great option (I may try it if stuck though).
a b U Graphics card
March 5, 2006 3:11:18 PM

ROFLOL, check some more reviews before opening your mouth. The 7800GT is faster than the X1800XT in Fear... :lol:  :lol: 

Pure speed, the GTX can keep up, but with FSAA/AF on as I'd think most high end card buyers would want, the X1800XT easily bests the 7800GTX 256MB in Fear. FS, DL, and DH all show it beating the 512MB GTX.


Lets check some other reviews shall we:

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/ati_radeon_x1900_xt...

http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/digest3d/1205/itogi...

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2679&p=12
http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews/r520reviewxvxv/fear...
http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews/X1900XTXCF/x1900/fe...
March 5, 2006 3:15:50 PM

Quote:
OI have alot of problems with FEAR at 1600x1200 with aa and af and culling (i think it describes when you walk round a corner and a new room/environment needs to be rendered)...

That reminds me of a new user named Madmax33. He claims he gets an average of 54FPS on F.E.A.R. with an X1900 XT at 1600X1200 with 4XAA 16XAF with softshadows enabled.
March 5, 2006 3:28:08 PM

I'd like to cross reference, but I'm not going to install ze game again... :D 

I get 56fps avg with 1024x768 4aa 16af and SS on - SS is working with AA, but not 100% correctly. I think AAA and HQ AF was on aswell.
March 5, 2006 3:29:24 PM

That sounds more realistic than what he said.
March 5, 2006 3:49:34 PM

Hey , Whats Wrong With You Guys :?:
Go See THG , VGA Chart , There Is A Page Named "3D Performance Improvements Through Upgrades"
Go See It Your Self , It Says THAT 7800GT is 6% Faster Than X1800XT 512Mb ( Overall ) And a GeForce 7800GTX is 18% Faster Than X1800XT 512Mb , I Dont Hate ATI , My Preview Card Was A 9800XT , So I Say ATI is Good BUT ONLY X1900 Series Can BEAT GeForce 7 Series :!:
:evil: 
Remmeber : 3DMark SUCKS (Dont Think If X1800XT Get More Point Than A GeForce 7 Series , It Is Better !!) :wink:
WOW :D 
March 5, 2006 3:58:11 PM

Quote:
Hey , Whats Wrong With You Guys :?:
Go See THG , VGA Chart , There Is A Page Named "3D Performance Improvements Through Upgrades"
Go See It Your Self , It Says THAT 7800GT is 6% Faster Than X1800XT 512Mb ( Overall ) And a GeForce 7800GTX is 18% Faster Than X1800XT 512Mb , I Dont Hate ATI , My Preview Card Was A 9800XT , So I Say ATI is Good BUT ONLY X1900 Series Can BEAT GeForce 7 Series :!:
:evil: 
Remmeber : 3DMark SUCKS (Dont Think If X1800XT Get More Point Than A GeForce 7 Series , It Is Better !!) :wink:
WOW :D 

One benchmark doesn't mean everything. Just look at the link in the post above.
My X1800XT whips me friend's GTX at every game, except for OpenGL games, and even there they are close to even. OpenGL is losing out to Direct3D anyway. ATI's recent drivers have really boosted performance. If you bought your card based on that, I can't blame you, but the fact is the X1800XT is better.
My $0.02
a b U Graphics card
March 5, 2006 4:03:42 PM

I haven't seen any reviews, but I don't think 512MB of mem in a 7800GT would help it beat a 7800GTX 256MB in anything out now except COD2. I would not be surprised if the GT easily beats the GTX i that game as a 512MB X800XL can beat the 7800GTX in COD2. If it's clocks speeds were very high that would help more than added memory. If all were priced the same, I'd say 1) X1800XT, 2) 7800GTX 256MB, then 3) 7800GT 512MB.
March 5, 2006 4:06:02 PM

True that reviews using drivers prior to Dec 2005 do not reflect the true performance of the X1800/X1900 cards due to driver enhancements.
IMO ATI has the strongest driver support due to diligent monthly updates, sometimes including additional card features like AVIVO and ATI Overclocking.
a b U Graphics card
March 5, 2006 4:12:48 PM

Yeah, that was my first of 5 links showing the X1800XT beating the 256MB GTX, and in some even the 512MB GTX in Fear. Yet Tommy('s)boy is dead set on basing everything on Tom's Dec 2005 charts :roll:
March 5, 2006 4:24:34 PM

Quote:
ROFLOL, check some more reviews before opening your mouth. The 7800GT is faster than the X1800XT in Fear... :lol:  :lol: 


Yet you said ^^. :roll:
March 5, 2006 4:36:38 PM

OK , OK , OK , OK , ...
I Surrender :cry:  :cry:  :cry:  :cry: 
The X1800XT IS 1500% Faster Than Any GeForce Card On The Planet :!:
Go Have Fun With Your ATI Cards Friends :wink:
I`m Sorry For My Previews Posts :cry: 
March 5, 2006 4:54:33 PM

Cosnidering the bad support I had with my 6600GT i think Id rather go with ATI anyway. nVidia's drivers suck, I've been stuck on 66.93 for ages.
March 5, 2006 5:00:17 PM

Quote:
OK , OK , OK , OK , ...
I Surrender :cry:  :cry:  :cry:  :cry: 
The X1800XT IS 1500% Faster Than Any GeForce Card On The Planet :!:
Go Have Fun With Your ATI Cards Friends :wink:
I`m Sorry For My Previews Posts :cry: 

Now go away.
a b U Graphics card
March 5, 2006 5:34:02 PM

Ah, gotcha; I can see the confusion.... But I was joking with that part and thought the 5 links and the rest of my comments would make that clear. :) 

He said it was better, I was laughing at the comment. Yeah, ATI currently owns FEAR, so I found him pointing to the one old review showing otherwise to be quite amusing.
March 5, 2006 5:36:13 PM

Ah ok, hard to recognise sarcasm over a forum lol.
a b U Graphics card
March 5, 2006 5:39:06 PM

Yeah, I guess I was laughing too hard to write a clear post. :lol:  If you thought I was serious...you went way easy on me.
March 5, 2006 5:48:52 PM

Ok well thanks for all the replies I decided on the x1800xt now i just gotta decide which is the best brand for the price.
March 5, 2006 6:25:53 PM

That's a good choice. Although, if you can get a little extra money I'd go for the X1900 XT.
a b U Graphics card
March 5, 2006 6:39:40 PM

If you are in the USA, go for the HIS 256MB: $350 at Newegg.

A 512MB one will probably run you $400 for one like the MSI below.(128-bit mem must be a misprint as it's the same model as the one in the review)

Not sure on your pricing if you are outside the USA, but the MSI X1800XT is supposed to be priced well. Personally, I'd rather go with a HIS 512MB if I could find one for near the same price, but for us they are $450+ still for a HIS 512MB.
March 5, 2006 7:26:22 PM

Careful, the X1900 All-In-Wonder only performs about as good as a 7800GT. It's excellent for a HT/Gaming PC, however.
March 5, 2006 7:44:44 PM

You lucky people, sadly Im in the UK and prices are a bit steeper ATM the cheapest X1900xt is an extra £100 or around $200, and don't really want to go to that high a price, maybe there'll be a drop in price when the 7900 comes out which is the 9th if Im correct so I'll wait a couple of days before I purchase.
March 5, 2006 8:44:32 PM

I'm in Ireland - so I feel your pain! Prices are a bit steeper on this side of the Atlantic alright. Best I could find for X1900XT was £341 which is 500 euro. Ouch! Seems looking for cheap prices on the continent doesn't cut the mustard either, as they are much the same prices anyways, shipping hurts, and it's more awkward to shop in German, etc.

I'll be waiting to see how things go in the next couple weeks while I price-watch, keep tabs on which cards are better, and what online retailers and brands are the best bet.
March 5, 2006 9:53:50 PM

The only good online retailer I know price wise is ebuyer is you can suggest any others thatd be cool.
March 5, 2006 10:11:53 PM

ebuyer are indeed good pricewise. Overclockers (www.overclockers.co.uk) are better for some items (and near the cheapest for the rest too, roughly the same as ebuyer), check out in particular their weekly specials.

I've been keeping tabs on some other stores that have had particular items that are at a good price. Microdirect.co.uk (X1900XT £341), savastore.com (7800GTX 512MB £386) - also dabs.com may be worth watching (though it has low ratings from some price-summary sites, and I know someone who had trouble with various orders - though they were eventually sorted out).

Komplett is good for reference and can have some items at the lowest price too. They have an Irish site which is handy for me (if it's just a couple euro in the diff I'll order from there).

Even the models I'm not ordering, I'm keeping tabs on to see what the state of play is (just the high-end ones, 7800/X1800/X1900 series), what retailers are better, what brands, etc.

The only site I have experience of, or recommendations for, is Komplett (apart from a recommendation from someone who's ordered a lot from overclockers in the past). I'm on my first non-junkyard PC, so it's all a new experience.
March 5, 2006 10:22:05 PM

I have to go with Rich on this one. Coming from a 7800GT to a X1900XT myself I notice the difference in image quality and movement in the game.
It seems as if image quality is ATI specialty having previous ATI boards.
March 6, 2006 12:05:40 PM

Well looking at the release prices for the 7900GT which is supposedly as powerful as the 7800gtx and is set to retail at $299 and also a massive ATI price slash is rumoured - I think I'll be waiting a couple of weeks.
March 6, 2006 2:51:34 PM

Even my X1800 XL will smoke your 7800 GT in FEAR... and that's before I overclock it.

After I overclock it, your 7800 GT can't touch this. You can't TOUCH DIS!
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