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March 6, 2006 4:10:33 AM

http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/03/06/amd_opteron_x85_serie...

Pretty nice, seeing how AMD is still releasing new Opties, can't wait for the 3GHz and Dual 2.8/3.0 Opties, should be interesting. Gotta love the 95w TDP.

~~Mad Mod Mike, pimpin' the world 1 rig at a time

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March 6, 2006 4:27:25 AM

Would this help lower the cost of the older Opterons?
March 6, 2006 4:29:16 AM

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Would this help lower the cost of the older Opterons?


I'm sure the MSRP set by AMD may ask for lower prices eventually, but eTailers and retailers won't lower prices of current and that means they'll just raise the prices of the newer, but eventually it will carry down, yes.

~~Mad Mod Mike, pimpin' the world 1 rig at a time
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March 6, 2006 4:56:39 AM

No offense, but it took AMD long enough. AMD has been quietly shipping 2.6GHz Opteron 285s to Sun Microsystems for months now. However, they were previously under the SE label which meant a TDP of 120W. (Funny thing is the SE series isn't mentioned anywhere in official AMD literature probably because it doesn't help "AMD push its power consumption advantage over Intel".) I guess this means that they've managed to cool these things down to the 95W TDP as well as produce sufficient volumes for a general launch.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20051124130251...

And for aUbaWok, I wouldn't hold my breath for lower prices. These new processors were all launched at higher price points and aren't supposed to cause a price cascade. AMD has also dropped (blanked out really) the 1xx Opteron's from their publicly viewable price lists, since they want to discourage regular consumers from hogging these server chips.

http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/...
March 6, 2006 5:02:22 AM

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No offense, but it took AMD long enough. AMD has been quietly shipping 2.6GHz Opteron 285s to Sun Microsystems for months now. However, they were previously under the SE label which meant a TDP of 120W. (Funny thing is the SE series isn't mentioned anywhere in official AMD literature probably because it doesn't help "AMD push its power consumption advantage over Intel".) I guess this means that they've managed to cool these things down to the 95W TDP as well as produce sufficient volumes for a general launch.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20051124130251...

And for aUbaWok, I wouldn't hold my breath for lower prices. These new processors were all launched at higher price points and aren't supposed to cause a price cascade. AMD has also dropped (blanked out really) the 1xx Opteron's from their publicly viewable price lists, since they want to discourage regular consumers from hogging these server chips.

http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/...


I think the reason they did it was to take the eyes off of IDF. If you look at last years Spring IDF, AMD announced their Dual-Core Duel to take peoples attention off of IDF, I'm sure AMD has something else planned for this week as IDF rolls out.

~~Mad Mod Mike, pimpin' the world 1 rig at a time
March 6, 2006 5:35:50 AM

If me and my trusty 1Ghz Duron have waited this long, I'm sure a little more won't hurt. :lol: 
March 6, 2006 5:39:12 AM

Ok lets get some benchmarks.
March 6, 2006 5:39:14 AM

I myself like the look of the Dual 2.6 in a 95Watt package. I have been looking to get an opteron, and I hope the 185 isn't just on the bubble where I decide to spend way to much and get one. Damn that would be sweet though.
March 6, 2006 3:33:26 PM

hey mike if the opty 185 has a tdp of 95 then do you think that the opty 190 will have the same tdp or higher?
March 6, 2006 4:33:14 PM

I would imagine it will be a few watts higher.
March 6, 2006 4:49:34 PM

I don't think they will release a 190 at least on the 90nm 939 pin format. It would take some crafty engineering seeing as they are difficult to get stable at 3GHz which would be needed if you intend it to be stock at 2.8GHz.
March 6, 2006 4:50:22 PM

i think it would probably at 100 to 105 not 125 like the fx-62 man that thing is gonna be hot
March 6, 2006 5:44:17 PM

Can't wait to see some benchmarks. Take that 95 vs 135 TDP and compare that for a company like google which has 200,000 servers, that's huge.
That's not even touching the fact that they outperform and are cheaper.
March 7, 2006 1:01:37 AM

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http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/03/06/amd_opteron_x85_serie...

Pretty nice, seeing how AMD is still releasing new Opties, can't wait for the 3GHz and Dual 2.8/3.0 Opties, should be interesting. Gotta love the 95w TDP.

~~Mad Mod Mike, pimpin' the world 1 rig at a time


Speaking of wattage I was wondering what the TDP for the FX-60 is...any ideas?
March 7, 2006 1:03:22 AM

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http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/03/06/amd_opteron_x85_serie...

Pretty nice, seeing how AMD is still releasing new Opties, can't wait for the 3GHz and Dual 2.8/3.0 Opties, should be interesting. Gotta love the 95w TDP.

~~Mad Mod Mike, pimpin' the world 1 rig at a time


Speaking of wattage I was wondering what the consumption for the FX-60 is...any ideas?

FX-60 TDP: 110W

~~Mad Mod Mike, pimpin' the world 1 rig at a time
March 7, 2006 1:04:46 AM

110 TDP is still lower then most intel chips with less performance though right?
March 7, 2006 1:07:01 AM

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Pretty nice, seeing how AMD is still releasing new Opties, can't wait for the 3GHz and Dual 2.8/3.0 Opties, should be interesting. Gotta love the 95w TDP.

~~Mad Mod Mike, pimpin' the world 1 rig at a time
Agreed. I love Opterons in general, there pretty darn good. But the news of new ones coming out made me squeel like a little school girl. :lol: 

I too cannot wait for those 3 GHZ opties, they'll be beastly in overclocking. Considering I build for half of a living, and build mostly Opteron platforms, new ones coming out is good news for me and customers. Hope they don't cost too much though...
March 7, 2006 1:08:25 AM

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110 TDP is still lower then most intel chips with less performance though right?


3.8Ghz P4's are 115w - SINGLE CORE
The new 955 XE is 130w - DUAL CORE

~~Mad Mod Mike, pimpin' the world 1 rig at a time
March 7, 2006 1:12:12 AM

Well I saw some 180's on newegg for $700+ so you know that they are going to be pricey to begin with...thats always the case with flagship CPUs

Opty 180

Opty 280
March 7, 2006 1:12:40 AM

Thats a big difference, Im assuming its due to the new manufacturing process?
March 7, 2006 1:16:44 AM

Uhmmm Dual Opty 285 goodness...


Too bad I won't be able to afford a wall or electricity to plug them into :lol: 
March 7, 2006 1:16:54 AM

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Thats a big difference, Im assuming its due to the new manufacturing process?


It's alot of things, but it seems 65nm hasn't really helped alot since the 90nm 8xx Series Extreme Edtion is 135w, it seems all 65nm has done is reduce by 5w and allow 200MHz higher.

~~Mad Mod Mike, pimpin' the world 1 rig at a time
March 7, 2006 1:22:36 AM

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Thats a big difference, Im assuming its due to the new manufacturing process?


It's alot of things, but it seems 65nm hasn't really helped alot since the 90nm 8xx Series Extreme Edtion is 135w, it seems all 65nm has done is reduce by 5w and allow 200MHz higher.

~~Mad Mod Mike, pimpin' the world 1 rig at a time Well hopefully when AMD gets around to releasing their 65nm's, the process will be more developed by then, ect.
March 7, 2006 1:30:47 AM

well you fellas seem to like the opterons can you tell me which would be better in the long run if money werent the deciding factor an fx-60 or the 180
March 7, 2006 1:37:23 AM

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well you fellas seem to like the opterons can you tell me which would be better in the long run if money werent the deciding factor an fx-60 or the 180


The 180. Even discounting the nearly $400 difference in price, it's not that hard to OC the 180 to a faster speed than the FX-60 can go. The unlocked multipliers of the FX series are a bit overrated in my opinion.
March 7, 2006 1:41:04 AM

Well if I had to choose one I would go with the FX in the end.....but thats just me.....its a little faster and has unlocked multipliers, if money was no object that is
March 7, 2006 1:46:47 AM

well im looking at the specs on newegg its a denmark with 64kb+64kb L1 cache do they make a different core? the toledo has a 128kb+128kb L1 cache isnt this going to have an impact on performance?
March 7, 2006 1:57:55 AM

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well im looking at the specs on newegg its a denmark with 64kb+64kb L1 cache do they make a different core? the toledo has a 128kb+128kb L1 cache isnt this going to have an impact on performance?


Each core has 128KB (64KB+64KB) and Newegg is misreporting the Opteron 64. Both have a combined 256KB Level 1 Cache.

~~Mad Mod Mike, pimpin' the world 1 rig at a time
March 7, 2006 2:00:38 AM

thanks for the correction so whats your opinion 180 or fx-60
March 7, 2006 2:06:05 AM

165 and overclock that sumbeesh. Man Im really getting biased with the Opterons..... Spending too much time with them at work I guess :lol: 
March 7, 2006 2:08:59 AM

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thanks for the correction so whats your opinion 180 or fx-60


Get the 185.

~~Mad Mod Mike, pimpin' the world 1 rig at a time
March 7, 2006 2:11:04 AM

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thanks for the correction so whats your opinion 180 or fx-60


Get the 185.

~~Mad Mod Mike, pimpin' the world 1 rig at a time
Yes indeed.
March 7, 2006 2:15:04 AM

where can i get one?
March 7, 2006 2:17:43 AM

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where can i get one?


They aren't out yet IDT (I don't think), but Newegg.com should have them in a few days or a week.

~~Mad Mod Mike, pimpin' the world 1 rig at a time
March 7, 2006 2:18:13 AM

tomorrow on newegg or call amd and ask
March 7, 2006 2:18:43 AM

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where can i get one?
newegg.com is in my opinion the most trusted place for PC parts.
March 7, 2006 2:26:18 AM

okay maybe i asked the wrong question when can i get one(185) and if its later than the about the 14th of this month which would be better the fx-60 or the 180
March 7, 2006 2:39:13 AM

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okay maybe i asked the wrong question when can i get one(185) and if its later than the about the 14th of this month which would be better the fx-60 or the 180


The 180.

~~Mad Mod Mike, pimpin' the world 1 rig at a time
March 7, 2006 2:40:37 AM

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It's alot of things, but it seems 65nm hasn't really helped alot since the 90nm 8xx Series Extreme Edtion is 135w, it seems all 65nm has done is reduce by 5w and allow 200MHz higher.

Just wanted to follow up a bit. The current 9xx series were the test subjects for the 65nm process which is why their thermal performance hasn't been significantly lower. However, Intel will be releasing the newer C1 stepping in April which will bring the current top of the line mainstream 3.4GHz 950 down to a TDP of 95W. This will mean the net change from the 90nm Smithfields will be a 40W decrease and a 600MHz gain in clock speed. People may criticize Intel's manufacturing process without SOI, but that type of improvement, especially on an inheirently inefficient design like Netburst is quite impressive. As well, EIST will now be enabled to cool down the chips further when idle. They can now clock lower as well, down to 2.4GHz vs. the 2.8GHz limit on Smithfield.

The official Developer Product Change Notification is here:
http://developer.intel.com/design/pcn/Processors/D01057...

The prices of the 950 will also be cut 50% when the C1 stepping is released.
http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20060213PR218.html
March 7, 2006 2:49:51 AM

Thanks for the help you just saved me a small sum and probably helped me more in the long run for ocing which i am still unsure of but ill run it stock for the first couple of months at least which will give me plenty of time to look into phase change and ocing
March 7, 2006 3:05:14 AM

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No offense, but it took AMD long enough. AMD has been quietly shipping 2.6GHz Opteron 285s to Sun Microsystems for months now. However, they were previously under the SE label which meant a TDP of 120W. (Funny thing is the SE series isn't mentioned anywhere in official AMD literature probably because it doesn't help "AMD push its power consumption advantage over Intel".)

Anyhow, it's still lower than any of Intel's dual core processors. :wink:
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