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GP, some of your arguments are certainly with merit. I think the
comparison on the HP versus Brother laser printers is a valid way to
analyze a purchasing decision.
Where you are being unfair, however, is your tone with Mr. Bob Headrick.
Bob Headrick's participation on this newsgroup is not sponsored by HP.
He does it on his own dime, to try to be helpful to people who have
questions he can answer. Yes, as an HP employee, he knows a bit about
how they work, or knows who to ask to try to find answers for people who
feel they aren't getting the information they require. But he has made
it clear he cannot be an apologist for HP, and he is isn't here
particularly to defend HP. Heck, for all we know, he may agree with
some of the things you are concerned about.
His being here is a plus for everyone on this group, and we should be
more respectful of his willingness to be helpful.
As I see it, he is no different than I in terms of his place in this
newsgroup. I know a fair amount about Epson printers, and printers in
general, but no one sponsors me here. I try to be helpful, and I try to
be fair.
So, I would ask that you recognize Bob Headrick's position here, and not
badger him, because he is not obligated to be here. He is not here at
HP's bequest, and should he choose to leave, quite a few people will
will left with no HP expert here.
Art
GP wrote:
> Bob Headrick wrote:
>
>
> > In the most recent quarter the "Printing and Imaging" sector had
> $6.5B of
> > revenue, out of a company overall of $21.1B.
>
>> See: http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/investor/financials/quarters/2004/q4.html.
>
>
>
> Thanks so much for this information, Mr Headrick! Unfortunately, at the
> present time, my financial analysis is not at this level and I don't
> worry too much how and where HP makes its money, but how I will get the
> best printer for my money.
>
> So, let's just compare two printers, the HP 1012 and the Brother HL-5140:
>
>
http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/ca/fr/un/WF06a/18972-236251-236263-14638-236263-377934.html
>
>
http://solutions.brother.com/hl5140_all/en_us/spec.html
>
> The Brother HL-5140, after a $50 coupon rebate, comes down to $300 (CAN)
> at Staples, the HP 1012, after a $110 instant rebate, is $190. So the
> 1012 is much cheaper. Or is it?
>
> The 1012 comes with a 1,000 pages half empty cartridge, the HL-5140 with
> a full 3,500 pages cartridge. So you have to pay 2,500 pages extra for
> the 1012 to get even. At $90 / 2000 pages cartridge(1), that's $90 *
> 1.25 = $112.50. $190 + 112.50 = 302.50$. So, they're the same price. Or
> are they?
>
> (1)
> <http://www.staples.ca/ENG/Catalog/cat_class.asp?CatIds=88%2C506%2C509,5078&name=MD%5FHewlett+Packard%5FLaserJet+1012&>
>
>
> The 1012 is host based not networkable, the HL-5140 is networkable. The
> 1012 has 8 megs unexpandable memory, the HL-5140 16 megs expandable to
> 144 in case you want to network it. The HL-5140 offers full PCL6
> support, the 1012 language is not stated.
>
> Linuxprinting says: "language looks like PJL + PCL 6" and "HP LaserJet
> 1010 works (...) with all raster drivers for the HP LaserJet 1100.
> Unfortunately, the new LaserJet 1010/1012/1015 series seems not to be
> absolutely compatible with older HP printers or it has a firmware bug.
> Sometimes it happens that the printer stops working and reports the
> error "Unsupported Personality: PCL".
>
>
http://linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-LaserJet_1012
>
> The ML-5140 has a 250 sheets paper tray option, the 1012, none.
>
> Brother offers a 6,700 sheet cartridge for 135$ at Staples, which means
> each page comes down to 2¢. Add 1¢ for the drum, there's still no need
> to make prints and then go to the photocopy shop.
>
> (First I thought it was a great advantage that all the refurbishing
> industry offered guarantee-ruining HP cartridges. Now, I understand why
> they don't sell Brother's
>
> The 1012 weights 13 pounds, the ML-5140, 23. When you look at both
> printers in the store, the first looks like a flimsy toy, the second one
> like a sturdy piece of equipment.
>
> Reviews say that the 1012 has better graphic quality. But I remember I
> went for my Canon BJ-300 because quality was better than the Deskjet
> 500's and bitterly regreted it. And I don't remember the last time I
> printed graphics.
>
> My dear Mr Headrick, I'm counting on you to explain why I should get a
> HP printer. You know, with La Fiorina manufacturing-a in China, I'm
> wondering if it wouldn't be much cheaper to buy directly from a Chinese,
> Korean or serious Japanese printer company.
>
> I kinda think their "overhead" is much lower, mainly when the company's
> in big trouble. Maybe you've read "Made in Japan" by Akio Morita. He was
> the president of Sony and thought jets weren't such a necessity. So,
> imagine in Korea!
>
> GP
>
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