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March 7, 2006 3:32:26 PM

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=1146

http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/showdoc.aspx?i=2711

http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/showdoc.aspx?i=2712

Intel is stating up to a 40% increase in performance while a decrease up to 40% in power. If that's true, that's amazing.
March 7, 2006 4:14:39 PM

Isn't Conroe basically the same thing as the Core Duo but at higher speeds?
March 7, 2006 4:17:59 PM

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Isn't Conroe basically the same thing as the Core Duo but at higher speeds?


No.

Pipeline Stages slightly increased from 10 to 14.
Front Side Bus improves from 667MHz to 1333MHz.
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March 7, 2006 4:19:36 PM

Essentially, it is to a degree but as Mind states in his posts, more pipes and FSB.
March 7, 2006 4:25:14 PM

and so? are there any bench marks yet? I want to see bench marks.......
March 7, 2006 4:25:54 PM

You can say that Cornoe is a re-worked core from Yonah.
March 7, 2006 4:29:16 PM

Cornoe is still not yet released, but people expect Cornoe will perform better than Yonah, and Windsor (Athlon64 x2 Rev. F).
March 7, 2006 4:42:20 PM

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Here's a link from Anand tech
http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/showdoc.aspx?i=2712
It seems that Conroe will drastically improve over the pentium D.


If Conroe cannot drastically improve over P-D, then Athlon64 x2 will dominate. Conroe is the only weapon Intel prepared to fight with AMD in desktop market.
March 7, 2006 4:42:54 PM

Yeah, judging by what I see, I honestly believe that Conroe will improve in the performance arena by a wide margin. Still won't know till it comes out and we can see some real world benchmarks though.
March 7, 2006 4:47:18 PM

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Yeah, judging by what I see, I honestly believe that Conroe will improve in the performance arena by a wide margin. Still won't know till it comes out and we can see some real world benchmarks though.


Intel does not lie on the performance of Conroe to become 40% more clock per clock to Presler.
March 7, 2006 4:51:38 PM

Yeah, I really think this conroe thing is gonna surprise all of us. If its up to 40% more performance over the current preslers, then WOW. I've got my hopes up.
March 7, 2006 4:54:05 PM

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Yeah, I really think this conroe thing is gonna surprise all of us. If its up to 40% more performance over the current preslers, then WOW. I've got my hopes up.


So, most of the hardware critics say "It will be interesting to see how Cornoe fight with Windsor."
March 7, 2006 4:56:57 PM

Let the new CPU wars begin....lol
March 7, 2006 4:57:47 PM

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http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=1146

http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/showdoc.aspx?i=2711

http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/showdoc.aspx?i=2712

Intel is stating up to a 40% increase in performance while a decrease up to 40% in power. If that's true, that's amazing.

I don't trust statistics at all.
You can say 40% increase in performance and 40% decrease in power, but I mean, come on, look at the P4! How can you not make it more efficient? :p  It reminds me of sales - 50% off, but it was so high to begin with, now it might actually be worth it...

But I can't wait for Conroe to come too. I can finally build another intel machine after waiting 6 yrs. :D 
March 7, 2006 4:59:46 PM

Conroe is looking great but the Woodcrest jump seems well undescribeable. 80 %? Holly sh.. ! 80 % is god bless but very much needed considering Opterons are currently way ahead.
March 7, 2006 5:02:52 PM

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Conroe is looking great but the Woodcrest jump seems well undescribeable. 80 %? Holly sh.. ! 80 % is god bless but very much needed considering Opterons are currently way ahead.


The major reason is that Xeon series are highly bandwidth-deficient.
For Woodcrest, employing multiple CPU to Northbridge buses and higher bandwidth per bus helps a lot.

But still K8's Direct Connect Architecture is superior.
March 7, 2006 5:09:49 PM

Also forgot to add that it has 64-bit support as well. Forgot about the pipes but yeah a faster bus is just faster speeds.

I have both a 2.0GHz Core Duo and a 2.0GHz Merom processor sitting on my desk. Waiting for a new heatsink to use the Merom processor to load Vista February CTP on it. The heatsink Intel sends with these things sucks and is a bitch to get on. Resulted in me breaking part of the heatsink trying to get it on. Waiting for a new one.

Say I'm full of sh*t on that statement but they're still sitting there.
March 7, 2006 5:14:30 PM

Well, the Xeons are so far behind that this new core should bring it closer to the forefront. I don't know about 80% but i'm sure it will be a big jump.

It seems as if the server/business side of things is where they want to really get a jump on performance. AMD has and still does have a superior server chip. We'll see how Intel plays against the Opteron though.
March 7, 2006 5:14:59 PM

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But I can't wait for Conroe to come too. I can finally build another intel machine after waiting 6 yrs. :D 


Its been 6 yrs since you have had an Intel machine? hell that would put you back at 2000 with Pentium 3s and we all know that AMD was kicking their ass with Athlon....however the Northwood core is my absolute favorite intel core atm.........gave Athlon XP a spankin until Athlon 64 came out..
March 7, 2006 5:23:25 PM

Well, I have a 630 scotty machine and its really a good performer. Can't complain about it and it runs cool. Its still no where near as zippy as my opty machine is and that in itself, says alot for AMD considering what the clock speeds are of both.
March 7, 2006 5:52:14 PM

It wouldn't be fair right now since Conroe still isn't available to the market. But if it's 40% better than Pentium D well that gives more credibility to the "20% more performance than AMD" statement cause right now X2 at most about 15% better than a pentium D(excluding gaming).
March 7, 2006 5:54:03 PM

R.I.P. NetBurst
Viva la Conroe!
March 7, 2006 6:03:33 PM

Y,finally Intel is back on track! This time on the right path. It will be interesting seeing Intel using a performance clock rather than brute force.
Untill now Intel has been taking the long way(Netburst,at first it was acceptable then the road become full of twists and turns) AMD the shortcut. Now they are both on the same straight line with AMD somewhat ahead. This year will be interesting indeed.
March 7, 2006 6:29:43 PM

I dont think that Woodcrest will play a big role in most servers.
I think that Sossaman will be THE server-chip cause of its simply awesome power consumption.
March 7, 2006 7:27:54 PM

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Its been 6 yrs since you have had an Intel machine? hell that would put you back at 2000 with Pentium 3s and we all know that AMD was kicking their ass with Athlon....however the Northwood core is my absolute favorite intel core atm.........gave Athlon XP a spankin until Athlon 64 came out..


Nah, in 2000, you had P4's Williamettes. A few months before the Northwoods came out. I've got a 1.8Ghz P4 Williamette. Maybe it was Dec of '99.. or Dec of 2000... can't remember. AMD was still using SDRAM and P4's only had RDRAM.
anyways...
March 7, 2006 7:36:17 PM

CRAP.

lol.

This sucks. Now I'm getting worried... I might have to switch to an intel fanboy in a few months. (just kidding)

In all seriousness, good for intel. They're finally "getting it."
March 7, 2006 8:05:32 PM

LMAO

That makes two of us man!
March 7, 2006 10:47:27 PM

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CRAP.

lol.

This sucks. Now I'm getting worried... I might have to switch to an intel fanboy in a few months. (just kidding)

In all seriousness, good for intel. They're finally "getting it."



Finally getting it? Who the hell supplied the world with CPU's from the early 70's to present? Who came up with x86? and the front side bus? and AGP? and nearly every other standard in the computing world for over 30 years? It sure as hell wasnt AMD.
March 7, 2006 11:08:54 PM

Don't forget PCI.

But seriously, Intel made a misstep w/ the prescott core, and going from the P3 architecture to P4. It made sense then, but giving to the lack of being able to foresee the future, they've come back nicely.

AMD sure made them rethink things - and that's good. Now w/ the performance-per-watt wars, it'll be really interesting and good for technological advances.

But I agree that they're finally getting it. Or mebbe we should say they finally got it (like a while back)... :p  I'm glad I didn't go work in the processor business.
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