Woodcrest vs. AMD

Up to 33% more performance and less power according to Intel



http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=1148

HaHa, that made me laugh.

~~Mad Mod Mike, pimpin' the world 1 rig at a time

Even if the "folks at DailyTech" benched it, 2 things wrong with this:

1) You're comparing DDR1 to DDR2 FB-DIMM

2) It took Intel 2 years to meet/beat the A64 architecture? How sad. AMD is planning next Architecture next year to beat Intel, took less than 1 year, now you tell me who the better company is?

~~Mad Mod Mike, pimpin' the world 1 rig at a time

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~~Mad Mod Mike, pimpin' the world 1 rig at a time

Agreed, Intel is just showing that they finally caught up to AMD.

It's funny....really
I don't really care who is having better CPUs ATM, intel or amd. All I care it's me (and any other consumer) who is winning.

Why? because now as Intel has new CPUs that will beat current AMD chips, then AMD will devise something more powerful...then Intel will try to beat AMD again. All we will get will be new CPUs and good prices. Otherwise we would still be stuck with PII 160 MMX. Or that crap K6-2 series which couldn't work (oh yes, you all AMD fanboys, I was having series of K6-2 that couldn't run any game, and everything I tried to run was coming with error messages, so I switched to Celeron)

Oh...and don't also call me Intel fanboy. From P III 800 I switched to Athlon 1,4 ghz, then to PIV 2,4 Northwood and now I'm on A64

But...it just proves the point that any market needs serious competition to bring innovations. And I'm happy that Intel made really something good...for AMD will have to respond, and not just with socket change that will bring like 5% improvement (cuz that's what Inntel was doing with chipsets, aand that lead them into dead end street)

So I don't care which company stays on the top, as long as I can get good CPUs. And you all fanboys may just kill each other with a teaspoon over which company rule. Cuz I will choose by my wallet and sheer performance, and not by any sentiments.

It's all about the IBM Power PC G5 baby!!

LOL every one of you are dy humping AMD , i love AMD but if intel can produce a chip that preforms better then AMD then good. thats good for the market, and BETTER for the consumer. if this chip is better then any amd then good im happy cause it forces AMD's card "if they have one" but yet amd is waiting on DDR2 which tests show isnt that much of a increase in realworld performance.

The Socket AM2 is a generation change that is becoming increasingly necessary for the sake of supporting memory that will be mainstream in mid-2006 and into 2007. It won't change the performance landscape by much, unless AMD decides to make some fundamental changes to the architecture such as upgrading the FX to 4 MB cache.

read that remember DDR2 for the future what a paid PRO said about DDR2 it makes little to NO difference


this is the link http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/0 [...] age13.html

i run a A64 3800 i love that chip but i wont diss a P4 over it, each have there advantages.


AMD is a good company BUT this fan boy stuff really needs to stop

madmodmike your the worst of ALL OF THEM get a life and move out of your parents basement. god you must jack off to pics of x2 4800 every night. Your total lack to knowledge and insite is sad, please continue to amuse us trained professionals because your posts are a real hit around the office. P.S i work for adobe and alot of the IT guys along with myself have loves the total BS you type, please keep it up it makes our days interesting


nuff said

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it took amd years to release the hammer architecture to beat the P4 (especially the C) - what you talkin bout?

Conroe / Woodcrest / Merom took more of a leap then any AMD.

MMM what happend to my all time high score?

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Me personally, i hope INTEL whips AMD..
REASON why, is for the last 2 years, intel has dont nothing but sit on its but, while amd has been pumping out , in my opinion some truely awesome products.

Intel Felt the heat and they responded. The fire intel will put on AMD, will in fact motivate AMD to produce even Better products..

But the ultimate goal, is, that ME i say again ME, i / WE get good products on a more serious platform, FASTER.
I grow tired of waiting on new stuff. From both of those companies. Almost as bad as the GPU wars...

with them duking it out, means, that the price of the cpu's come down , and down, and down.. IE better for ME you, and well, that is about it, lol

Yeah and conroe said 20% faster, and thats comparing a 2.66 to an AMD 2.8 and its more then 40% quicker in half the apps there.

Mad is studing to be an MS Cert. Tech. At the Medina County Career Center in Ohio (Vo-Tech for those who need to know). As Mad would say Google it.

If you think its worth aguing with him go ahead and knock your brains out. I don't.

So everyone here is going to argue about whether a future Intel server chip can beat a current AMD server chip that is near the end of its life??

ycon, BTW, there is a new opteron due out early 2007.

excuse me boys the topic was woodcrest vr.amd.......the way i see it....woodcrest shows improvement when it cames to dated amd cpus ...we will just have to wait and see .... for future amd cpus how would they compare to conroe, merom and woodcrest ...i`m personaly waiting for the 45nm cpus

"According to intel"....
i have another source which suggests otherwise.
http://sharikou.blogspot.com/2006/ [...] -than.html

well conroe "according to intel" is 20% quicker then AMD and in most of the apps its more then that

So you'd rather believe any benchmark that proves your point even if it is of dubious reliabilty (based on the fact that it is done by Intel), and ingnore any view that flows counter to that?

First off, don't lump me in with all these fanboy "nitwits" you are talking about. I am in no way a fanboy, and have not exhibited any fanboy behavior whatsoever.

I am just waiting to see real benchmarks. When Anand and the rest of the sites get their samples and do their benchmarks, then I will beleive what they say. For the Record, I don't think either Anandtech or THG are biased.

My point is that that you seem so desperate for conroe to be better (including taking the name??) that it seems you will accept benchmarks that should be taken with a grain of salt as the truth, since they prove your point.

See, I try to be a little more sleptical than that. I will wait to see what the independant sites say.

Then again, I probably won't buy a conroe anytime soon anyway, since it would require to much investment to scrap my A64. (DDR2 is expensive when you have 2Gb of DDR already)

this is all kind of stupid, you fell into the business scheme people. (not all, excuse me) do you think with the money intel has they would just sit around and do this? who knows, maybe they just ramped up the clock speed to get lazy until they felt they gave them a good share, cause remember now, there is no competition without another company competing with them. although amd has been making some good processors that are just killing it for the moment as i write this. (desktop and server). actually for a while... while intel took the laptop side. which a lot more people are buying nowadays... can you see now? who cares who beats who. they are taking your money while you waste your time arguing about it. whatever happened to just posting good information. not that i have anything to post right now, but i do waste a lot of time reading stuff that isn't needed, when i come here for information stuff. and in fact, i think i did post some good information to help people out. come on, i'm tired of reading through pages just to find good information that people post. this is probably my first wasted post, since this is first time i'm responding to something stupid... i'm tired of reading... :?

This talk aboout woodcrest is very impressive. As it is now AMD does have a good lead in the server end of things. I've never read anything that said Intel could take much of a performance lead there--untill now. I wonder what about the 4P market?

Desktops are much closer now with the 4800+ and 955EE neck and neck, and FX60 top dog. Power consuption is very high with all those CPUs. The THG review of AM2 was a mistake. Funny, it will be out before "Core," but still is not production ready. I belive AM2 may be as much as 10% better than 939 with good DDR2-800. Still this E6700 is just mid-level, not high-end. Intel will have the said 20% lead and may have another 20% sitting in the bank waiting for AMD's next move. I hope AM2 comes out with a surprize so Intel has to play it's whole hand.

Yeah they felt Prescott. lol prescott lol no intel fanboy can admit that it sucked

Woodcrest vs. Opteron (on DDR2) will be a very interesting comparison.
Where the Opteron does shine is when the CPU count goes up (e.g. hypertransport comes into play).
I predict that for single process type apps and low CPU count the woodscrest will come out top, however for large parallel type applications (web, ERP, DB) Opteron may still come out on top (4 way and Up).
Sun is coming out with an 8 Socket Opteron board around June time, and the 4 core processors (early 2007) are supposed to drop right in (32 core system, yum, yum).
Intel will need to get off the shared bus architecture to be able to compete. This is not a failing of the CPU, but the bus architecture.

Yea... err... that is supposed to tell me what?

This is good, even a nitwitt could understand this guy.
http://www.overclockers.com/tips00929/

The fact is, no level-headed guy that can hold off from biulding a new rig will biuld one now. This is THE time to wait. Both Intel and AMD are hurt by this talking and these benchmarks at the IDF. But I'm not too level-headed about this. My wallet's open and the credit card is out, I just can't find the dang BUY IT NOW button.

That's a good article and all, but How many people who are ready to buy a computer now are actually going to wait another 6 months to buy it? I mean you'll old one is crappin out on ya so your ready to get something now. How many people are going to wait and compare AM2 to Conroe or whatever, when their old CPU just died? Going to wait 3-6months just to compare which is better, then decide. I highly doubt it since we all live in a Now society. Everything new built/made/produce is focused around getting whatever it may be here & Now.

Maybe Intel & AMD need to play their cards similar to the video card industry. Keep doors closed on new products until their release date. Nvidia doesn't say anything until the product is released. Of course, there's speculations and leaks, but it's mostly behind closed doors with any real facts.

Never in my life have seen so much flaming though sheesh. Given half of this stuff amuses the crap outta me while i'm work, the whole Intel v.s. AMD is really getting old. But I guess if we didn't flame and choose sides we would have nothing to talk for 6months-years at a time while these companies try and produce new material for us to buy. So like...Umm /rant off

So, I guess if I have to root for someone, I'll be rooting for the underdog (with all the new Conroe speculation) AMD!!! And let me toss in some more fuel for the fire!

The answer to my question!

A campfire! Buhahhahah or maybe a compfire hahah